Don't get so butthurt over some of the comments. We all screw with and make fun of each other. The people you're calling trolls are extremely knowledgeable people and can be great help with your build process. Just go with the flow. Everyone gets picked on, it's nothing personal.

With that being said, CJM S1.SE return fuel system is probably the best on the market. It comes with billet fuel rails and you can order a fuel pressure gauge with the kit.

And what kind of power are you looking for, 1700cc injectors may be overkill. 1300cc may be a better choice.

You troll!

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Yea. They might be overkill but basically 600 until I decided to rebuild the motor and then 800-900 in the end. I had a buddy doing about 1050whp and I dont know if I will ever go that high. I guess my thought process is if I am spending 1300...why not spend 1500 and never have that as a limiting factor. Is there a downside other than the price for getting the 1700s?

P.S. Whjaxn17 - I love how you just can't resist trolling and throwing in your useless 2cent comments. I already admitted I was new, I already admitted I was not knowledgable on ECU/Fuel Injected setups, I already admitted I screwed up buy jumping the gun, and I learned a lot from this experience. Unfortunately all I learned from you is that you don't have valuable input and I should ignore anything you say. Start acting mature and prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]

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How much money do you think they are making on selling you the AAM kit and install? They think they've figured it out, but they're still in the middle of that build? Is that what I just read? So how do you know they fixed it? Do you really want to be a guinea pig to find out whether they actually fixed it or not?
I recommend you listen to Rusty and tell them to cram that AAM kit in some other chump's vehicle :gtfo2:


You certainly have an interesting definition of "useless". He literally gave you a perfectly understandable response that you completely ignored. So what kind of response do you think you deserve? :rolleyes:

Probably not as polite of a response as the PM I just sent you :tiphat:

Just a couple notes here. First, I'd highly recommend that when forum veterans slag the AAM kit, you listen. AAM has a very bad track record here as far as quality and customer support, for a reason. I realize they are marginally cheaper - How much pain is that worth to you, in the long run? I should add that their kits do make good power once everything is set up. Just figure out your pain threshold getting to that point.
Second, your build list here is definitely showing an improved thought process. You're listing the right kind of components and you're doing it before building anything.
Third, if you have questions about injector size, talking with a knowledgeable tuner with a lot of build experience, such as Sebastian at Specialty Z, would be a very good idea.
Lastly, try to figure out your power goals in advance. That'll make your build decisions a lot more obvious. 500 whp? You won't need E85; you don't need a built block; you can run smaller injectors; you can keep relatively small turbos. 750 whp? Whole 'nother game. Now you're talking built block for longevity, with only a handful of shops providing proven motors at that power level for any kind of duration, likely E85, upgraded turbos, etc.

Built block in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 grand to do it right.

Jeff, old boy. I got a question. What ever gave you the idea of running corn on a stock Z?

And even then, it might not hold together. :eek:

OP, you've gotten a bunch of great advice from people that have 'been there, done that, got the t-shirt' When they say the AAM kit is junk, believe them. JLarson is running a BP single turbo kit he installed himself (well, with help from lots of others), Madwi is running the same kit and IIRC he did the install himself (possibly with help from others).

I'm not sure I'd believe your buddy that claims 1050 HP out of his Z, unless you happen to be friends with Mike that's selling his Z (white dragon), but that's just my :twocents:

I would question the motives of people that are pushing a questionable kit, considering the number of people that have had issues with AAM and not just on this platform. There are too many threads with pictures of poorly cast manifolds (with blocked runners) that are in the hands of customers and AAM not standing behind their product. Information is good, and right now, the go-to folks for forced induction and related hardware are Fast Intentions and BP for kits and phunk at CJM for fueling. Good luck.

Let me know if you are interested in what I have to say, otherwise I will just keep my mouth shut. If you have questions, ask me and I will answer.

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Another guy that's 'been there, done that, got the t-shirt'. :tup:

fify

From the tags, it appears that sugar, salt, lime and acetone can be added to fuel for big power gains. Wow, that's so cool!!! Now I know what my weekend project is going to be.

Wish me luck gang.

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This is the best thread we've had in years.

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I'm not trolling, nor was I ever. My first post was EXACTLY what you needed. It was polite and informative. Several others gave you the same answer and expressly said don't do it until it's tuned for it with the bigger injectors, but you did anyway and something went wrong. For that, I have no sympathy. Hopefully you didn't cause any permanent issues, though.

That said, the repost wasn't exactly for you, but next time you take the time to ask a question, maybe heed the advice you get.

BUT, moving past all that...

You need at least 550cc injectors and a tune. That's the entirety of necessary parts. An Aeromotive 340lph isn't a bad idea, but not needed. I believe the SZ flexfuel kit is ~$600. I'd personally recommend it as you have to run your car down to almost empty to switch fuels otherwise. If you choose to go that route, ECUtek is your only software option as Uprev does not have flexfuel capabilities.

Yeap, 1700cc are good for a mostly E85 car. Run them on 93 oct. and you will get some funky idling, etc. This is from personal experience. 1300cc is all most folks need unless they are wanting to push the HP level. If that is the case, it can get expensive quick. Re-do's suck and are quite costly.

You missed the one about using grain instead of corn.

Thanks, good information. My apologies for taking it a bit took personally. Being frustrated and scared of the mistake I made coupled with fact that I am a newb both to the forum and to JDM performance I was expecting a friendlier response and I let it get to me...stoopidly!!!:roflpuke2:

So I think I will take the good advice here and plan on changing the build plan to this:

Walbro 520 / E85
SKU 900.1160
Pump Strainer 900.1225: Center Strainer
Pigtail 900.1020: Include

Billet Fuel Pump Hat, 370z
SKU 100.0100
Regulator Delete Adapter 320.4655:

S1.SE Fuel System, 370z
Vehicle, Pump Type, Filter Media 800.4405: 370Z, 10mm, Microglass
Mini Pressure Gauge 400.3000: Include
Fire Sleeve 900.5106: 6 Feet

Injector Dynamics ID1300x2
Application CJM S1.SE

Plus the Zspeed Flex Fuel kit.

This should position me well for the TT upgrade later on unless I am missing something in this. Oh and yes, I appreciate the advice on the FI vs. AAM and will listen to the solid advice given here and get the FI kit, pain is not worth the marginally higher cost to get a better kit. Someone might have once told me, you get what pay for...If the FI is better, and was my original choice before these guys were pushing the AAM kit on me. It's really great to be able to get sound advice from people who have been there and done this and are not trying sell me something for their benefit and potentially not mine.

Thanks again to everyone for helping and dealing with my retarded a$$! This has been great information that I just had to take the time to thoroughly understand and not leap before I look.

Stupidity in reality....but I was looking to take advantage of the marginal HP gain I would have expected. But as I may have already said, I leaped before I looked...bad plan! I was getting beat out there by guys with much better builds and thought it was a quick easy way to make more HP. I am too impulsive sometimes and it got the better of me this time. Add this to experience category and keep on keeping on. Fortunately I am a persistent SOB and wont quit till I get this right. I am on a mission to learn as much as I can now and will try to STFU and read more and understand better.

Set a HP goal and stick to it. Anything above 16 psi of boost will get expensive quick. If you are going to run E85, ID 1300cc injectors will work just fine. Built motors start at 15k and go up. The more HP you want the more additional mods you will need. If you have never had a turbo car, start slow and work your way up with time and experience. You don't want to jump into a high hp car and wreck it the first month. We have all seen that happen on the forum. It is ugly.

It's only worth ~10whp NA. I see you've mentioned going TT since I answered and it's worth way more power there, or at least allows for more w/ a comparable safety margin. I'm not sure what you should expect to pick up boosted on E85 over 93 or 91, but Spooler or Hotrodz might could share some experience.

If he's going to run 91 and e85, he'll pick up a lot more hp on e85. He'll be able to run a lot more boost on e85. With my supercharger, I get knock above 13psi on 91 and I can run 17psi on e85 with no knock and could go higher. My 91 hp number is 480, my e85 number 680. 91 octane sucks!

Jeff; Just don’t forget the most important part...the tuning aspect from Ecutek,UpRev or whatever else is capable.
As mentioned earlier by another member; you burn a richer mixture with the increased ethanol content, with wot pulls getting in the single digit AFR’s.
Factor about 30% more fuel consumption over gasoline.
The HP gains N/A aren’t huge, but the torque gains will be more a bit more.
You got some great guy’s who’ve jumped on this thread to help, so I’d definitely be taking it all in :iagree:
Also, there’s a difference in weather the e85 comes out of the ground or out of a barrel....you want consistency :tup: