Over-Cooling Solutions

Valentino · 10-18-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Bingo wtf

Sorry, I meant with out the blue tape. The one in front of the car.

Let me re write it.

"To ResIpsa, Why don't you tape the cooler instead of the front grill. the car will love you, and the car will look nicer with out the blue tape in front of the car.

Just an idea."

I was sleeping when i replied

Does it make since now?

ResIpsa · 10-18-2009, 02:27 PM

Do you know of any tape that can withstand the heat?

I guess I could use a roll of header wrap.

Modshack · 10-21-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

Do you know of any tape that can withstand the heat?

Dontcha think taping is kinda ghetto? Just make a snap on metal shield that you can put on and off through the grill or the top.

Silicone tape used in powdercoating will take the heat though I'm reluctant to even mention it..

Valentino · 10-21-2009, 01:24 PM

I found a couple of tapes. Haven't try any of them, but they seem to withstand the heat.

Tape case

adlinsulflex

agismfg

Valentino · 10-21-2009, 03:23 PM

snap on metal shield is the best,clean way to do it. I was just giving him a cheep quick solution.

import111 · 11-21-2009, 08:16 AM

I am debating how I want to go about this. How much with the temp rise with a mocal 180 degree sandwich adapter? 1 guy in this thread said he was running the same temps as me with the mocal and I don't even have a thermo plate...insinuating to me that they do nothing, and I would be better off building a metal blocking plate. What should I do?

Goolsbymd · 11-21-2009, 09:02 AM

I agree with the snap on covers. diesel pick ups have problems like this in the real cold and alot of people will just JB Weld little snap pieces and get a tailor shop or someone to "fab" up a piece of wool or windstopper (look them up) it should help and make it alot nicer looking.

bucketman · 11-21-2009, 01:02 PM

You could try one of these.
BAT, Inc. - MOCAL Oil Coolers
Remove the thermostat plate or leave it in, but with one of these you can solve your problem.

import111 · 11-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Yea, I brought it up with Stillen also and they said that in AZ I shouldn't have any issues getting the oil up to temp, even in the winter. Double edged sword cause if I got a regular sized oil cooler my temps would be too hot on the race track, lol.

import111 · 11-22-2009, 10:49 AM

Buddy of mine gave me a great idea yesterday. A valve you can flip closed or open Somewhere in line to the oil cooler. So when daily driving, you can have the valve closed and when at the track, just open the valve. Anything like this even exist?

imag · 11-22-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by import111

Buddy of mine gave me a great idea yesterday. A valve you can flip closed or open Somewhere in line to the oil cooler. So when daily driving, you can have the valve closed and when at the track, just open the valve. Anything like this even exist?

The problem, as I understand it, is that you want some circulation in the oil on a regular basis. You don't just want a few quarts sitting up there for track days, not mixing with the other oil. That's why the thermostatic plates still allow small amounts of circulation even at low temps.

I'm going to try the shield, personally.

import111 · 11-22-2009, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imag

The problem, as I understand it, is that you want some circulation in the oil on a regular basis. You don't just want a few quarts sitting up there for track days, not mixing with the other oil. That's why the thermostatic plates still allow small amounts of circulation even at low temps.

I'm going to try the shield, personally.

Very good point. I didn't think of that.

bucketman · 11-22-2009, 07:20 PM

Maybe my link was misleading. What I was suggesting was the inline mocal thermostat. The inline, keeps the valving to the oil cooler completely closed until the preset temp is reached. That means your oil will warm to operating temps before the oil cooler would even come in to play. With the t-stat installed close to the cooler, the most you would have would be maybe a quart trapped in the cooler. I almost went this route when I installed mine, but we only have maybe a half dozen days below freezing down here and it is not my daily driver. So it was cheaper to buy the sandwich with the t-stat in it, since I needed a sandwich plate anyway. It just seems to me that putting on and taking off a metal plate depending on the temps outside would grow tiresome.

Modshack · 11-22-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucketman

Maybe my link was misleading. What I was suggesting was the inline mocal thermostat. The inline, keeps the valving to the oil cooler completely closed until the preset temp is reached. That means your oil will warm to operating temps before the oil cooler would even come in to play. .

We undestood the link...The problem is, those outboard thermstats operate just like the Thermostatic plates and bleed oil to the coolr all the time as I described earlier. Digging a little further into BAT's website I found this description for the outboard types:

Quote:

Cold oil enters the
thermostat and is bypassed through the center of the
unit returning to engine (figure 1). During warm-up
the thermostat never closes off oil flow to the cooler,
rather, it offers a less restrictive path for the oil to flow*
allowing the cooler to acclimate to system
temperature. As oil warms to 180 degrees (200 in high
temp versions) the operating "waxstat" closes the
bypass permitting full flow to cooler (figure 2).
*percentage of oil bypass can vary up to the point
where the bypass is closed and full flow to the cooler

Flow diagrams on page 3 at the link: http://97.74.103.94/files/thermos$.p...t1=Get+Pricing

Oh well...Back to the drawing board!...

bucketman · 11-22-2009, 10:36 PM

Oops. I stand corrected. Of course now that I see it won't work, I must find a solution(even tho I don't have that problem). It's a personal thing!!!

10-18-2009, 02:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
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10-21-2009, 01:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Valentino Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RaceTrack Posts: 349 Drives: SOLD 09,370z,M6 Rep Power: 306	I found a couple of tapes. Haven't try any of them, but they seem to withstand the heat. Tape case adlinsulflex agismfg __________________ Lou Fusz Nissan \| KW V3 \| SPL rear camber and toe bolt \| OS Giken LSD \| Nismo Diff cover \| Engine Oil cooler \| F.I. TDX Cat Back 18" Resonators \| F.I. Resonated Test Pipes \| Injen cold air intake \| COBB AccessPORT \| JWT Clutch Flywheel \|

10-21-2009, 03:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Valentino Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RaceTrack Posts: 349 Drives: SOLD 09,370z,M6 Rep Power: 306	snap on metal shield is the best,clean way to do it. I was just giving him a cheep quick solution. __________________ Lou Fusz Nissan \| KW V3 \| SPL rear camber and toe bolt \| OS Giken LSD \| Nismo Diff cover \| Engine Oil cooler \| F.I. TDX Cat Back 18" Resonators \| F.I. Resonated Test Pipes \| Injen cold air intake \| COBB AccessPORT \| JWT Clutch Flywheel \|

11-21-2009, 09:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
Goolsbymd Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 84 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 16	I agree with the snap on covers. diesel pick ups have problems like this in the real cold and alot of people will just JB Weld little snap pieces and get a tailor shop or someone to "fab" up a piece of wool or windstopper (look them up) it should help and make it alot nicer looking. __________________ 09 370 base w/ sport AT Mag. Black, 20% tint, CF B Pillars, MR Works LED/Blacked out light combo. Soon: Stillen SC/Venaci Heros/Carbon fiber pieces.

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11-21-2009, 08:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
import111 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ. Posts: 622 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 192	I am debating how I want to go about this. How much with the temp rise with a mocal 180 degree sandwich adapter? 1 guy in this thread said he was running the same temps as me with the mocal and I don't even have a thermo plate...insinuating to me that they do nothing, and I would be better off building a metal blocking plate. What should I do?

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bucketman Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Prairieville,LA Posts: 306 Drives: 09 Nismo 370Z MB Rep Power: 17	You could try one of these. BAT, Inc. - MOCAL Oil Coolers Remove the thermostat plate or leave it in, but with one of these you can solve your problem.

11-21-2009, 01:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
import111 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ. Posts: 622 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 192	Yea, I brought it up with Stillen also and they said that in AZ I shouldn't have any issues getting the oil up to temp, even in the winter. Double edged sword cause if I got a regular sized oil cooler my temps would be too hot on the race track, lol.

11-22-2009, 10:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
import111 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ. Posts: 622 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 192	Buddy of mine gave me a great idea yesterday. A valve you can flip closed or open Somewhere in line to the oil cooler. So when daily driving, you can have the valve closed and when at the track, just open the valve. Anything like this even exist?

11-22-2009, 07:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
bucketman Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Prairieville,LA Posts: 306 Drives: 09 Nismo 370Z MB Rep Power: 17	Maybe my link was misleading. What I was suggesting was the inline mocal thermostat. The inline, keeps the valving to the oil cooler completely closed until the preset temp is reached. That means your oil will warm to operating temps before the oil cooler would even come in to play. With the t-stat installed close to the cooler, the most you would have would be maybe a quart trapped in the cooler. I almost went this route when I installed mine, but we only have maybe a half dozen days below freezing down here and it is not my daily driver. So it was cheaper to buy the sandwich with the t-stat in it, since I needed a sandwich plate anyway. It just seems to me that putting on and taking off a metal plate depending on the temps outside would grow tiresome.

11-22-2009, 10:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
bucketman Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Prairieville,LA Posts: 306 Drives: 09 Nismo 370Z MB Rep Power: 17	Oops. I stand corrected. Of course now that I see it won't work, I must find a solution(even tho I don't have that problem). It's a personal thing!!!