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GaleForce 01-24-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z JT (Post 1506542)
Just contacted courtesy parts and they can source the unit for $800+ from Canada for immediate shipment.

Ooooh.... looks like the price went up... :icon14:

wstar 01-24-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 1506531)
Well thats where I saw this mentioned. And I saw you did not use them. Just wanted to understand what they are for and how to remove them when the hex head is broken off. Needle nose pliers?

Well, the basic idea is if a thief could quickly remove the steering lock unit from the car, it would be easier to steal (not that I buy into the necessity given the other security features). The factory security screws are supposed to be difficult to remove because you can't get at the heads of them with common tools (but they didn't really make it *that* difficult). The replacement screws have to be something you can install on your own, so they need heads that work with regular tools, so the fix to make them secure after installation is to make the heads break off so that you'd have to remove them the second time with a drill. Again, lovely :(.

Thechidz 01-24-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z JT (Post 1506542)
Just contacted courtesy parts and they can source the unit for $800+ from Canada for immediate shipment.

extortion :icon14:

kenchan 01-24-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thechidz (Post 1506695)
extortion :icon14:

capitalism. :icon17:

kenchan 01-24-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 1506531)
Well thats where I saw this mentioned. And I saw you did not use them. Just wanted to understand what they are for and how to remove them when the hex head is broken off. Needle nose pliers?

on the factory installation the hex is already broken off for security reason...it's an anti-theft device. say you have to park your car in a rough neighborhood. with the immobilizer the theif will prefer to just tow your car.

say you were smart and turned the steering wheel all the way right or left with the front end of the car facing a wall or something when you shut your car off. then the theif would have a harder time winching your car up his flat bed or just towing your car with the front wheel on the ground. this is one of the reasons why the car has a steering lock.

angled needle nose pliers is the tool i used to remove. i tried using easy-out and my 90degree duck but mine was too big to fit in there and hard to get leverage to press the bit into the rounded screw head. i also didnt feel like dealing with metal bits and powder inside my car so did not use a rotary tool to cut a slit.

tjlazer 01-24-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1506766)
on the factory installation the hex is already broken off for security reason...it's an anti-theft device. say you have to park your car in a rough neighborhood. with the immobilizer the theif will prefer to just tow your car.

say you were smart and turned the steering wheel all the way right or left with the front end of the car facing a wall or something when you shut your car off. then the theif would have a harder time winching your car up his flat bed or just towing your car with the front wheel on the ground. this is one of the reasons why the car has a steering lock.

angled needle nose pliers is the tool i used to remove. i tried using easy-out and my 90degree duck but mine was too big to fit in there and hard to get leverage to press the bit into the rounded screw head. i also didnt feel like dealing with metal bits and powder inside my car so did not use a rotary tool to cut a slit.

oh ok thanks for the info, makes perfect sense to me. Pretty good idea but a PITA for us since this is a known issue. I suspect mine will be going out soon! :(

Jasonle 01-24-2012 03:12 PM

Well. I call the dealer to see what the status was. The guy that told me its the car starter...changed his mind and said its the steering wheel locked and already ordered the part. Its being overnighted and should be here tomorrow they said. Im still under my factory warranty so it is covered. When i asked so it is the steering wheel locked? Then he was like "well we dont know that for sure...were goin to try it and see" . So they giving me a loaner car. Thanks everyone for the help! Appreciate it! Hope they get this fix and takin care of!

kenchan 01-24-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 1506792)
oh ok thanks for the info, makes perfect sense to me. Pretty good idea but a PITA for us since this is a known issue. I suspect mine will be going out soon! :(

np! :tup:

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Originally Posted by Jasonle (Post 1506903)
Well. I call the dealer to see what the status was. The guy that told me its the car starter...changed his mind and said its the steering wheel locked and already ordered the part. Its being overnighted and should be here tomorrow they said. Im still under my factory warranty so it is covered. When i asked so it is the steering wheel locked? Then he was like "well we dont know that for sure...were goin to try it and see" . So they giving me a loaner car. Thanks everyone for the help! Appreciate it! Hope they get this fix and takin care of!

cool! :D hope you're back on the road soon. :driving:

kenchan 01-24-2012 04:20 PM

latest update is that Z_Girl checked her 2012 for a steering lock for us and confirmed there is none...

a big kick in the balls for us 2009-2011 owners...

MJB 01-24-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasonle (Post 1506903)
Well. I call the dealer to see what the status was. The guy that told me its the car starter...changed his mind and said its the steering wheel locked and already ordered the part. Its being overnighted and should be here tomorrow they said. Im still under my factory warranty so it is covered. When i asked so it is the steering wheel locked? Then he was like "well we dont know that for sure...were goin to try it and see" . So they giving me a loaner car. Thanks everyone for the help! Appreciate it! Hope they get this fix and takin care of!

Make sure you they don't replace with another RevA or RecB, lol... man that would suck!

MJB 01-24-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z JT (Post 1506542)
Just contacted courtesy parts and they can source the unit for $800+ from Canada for immediate shipment.

Are they charging extra just for the immediate shipping? Because on their website they have them listed as "in stock" and $495 + shipping. And more importantly, are they the RevC and or RevD?

kenchan 01-24-2012 04:32 PM

MJB- i think those are RevC (even though they post JF00D). RevD's are on backorder. if i were you, i would order elsewhere (may be the shop mr.happytheman posted) to get the RevD. expect up to 4wks to delivery.

MJB 01-24-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1507039)
MJB- i think those are RevC (even though they post JF00D). RevD's are on backorder. if i were you, i would order elsewhere (may be the shop mr.happytheman posted) to get the RevD. expect up to 4wks to delivery.

:iagree: Might as well get the latest and greatest version, even if you have to wait a little longer for it.

kenchan 01-24-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB (Post 1507041)
:iagree: Might as well get the latest and greatest version, even if you have to wait a little longer for it.

especially since you already have RevC and we've only heard of one failure to date in that revision. :)

Jasonle 01-24-2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB (Post 1507020)
Make sure you they don't replace with another RevA or RecB, lol... man that would suck!

oh man that would suck!...If I call tomorow I have a feeling that guy wont tell me what it is. He didnt want to listen to me from the beginning. **** hope its not one of those..

Baer383 01-24-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1507039)
MJB- i think those are RevC (even though they post JF00D). RevD's are on backorder. if i were you, i would order elsewhere (may be the shop mr.happytheman posted) to get the RevD. expect up to 4wks to delivery.

I found a "D" at a dealer in el paso Tx and they wanted $726.00:icon14:

wstar 01-24-2012 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1507011)
latest update is that z_girl checked her 2012 for a steering lock for us and confirmed there is none...

A big kick in the balls for us 2009-2011 owners...

grrrrr!

kenchan 01-24-2012 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 1507303)
I found a "D" at a dealer in el paso Tx and they wanted $726.00:icon14:

Damn... rather have a spare RevC in the car for 500. :D

Baer383 01-24-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1507408)
Damn... rather have a spare RevC in the car for 500. :D

I know I have the "C" in my car now and I am looking for a "D":tup:

ZForce 01-24-2012 07:44 PM

Mr. kenchan, thanks for the reply (about 3 pages back). I have been offline and just catching up on this thread. Low battery battery if car is left sitting for any long periods of time, good call. Good price on the battery tender from amazon. I have a heavy duty one but will look into the amazon one. Probably not a cold weather issue, just throwing it out for some opinions.

Any previous owners (like myself) of the oil consuming 06 rev-up engines will agree it's an uphill battle with NNA. A TSB is more likely than any recall.

kenchan 01-24-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 1507432)
I know I have the "C" in my car now and I am looking for a "D":tup:

yep, i know. :D

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 1507442)
Mr. kenchan, thanks for the reply (about 3 pages back). I have been offline and just catching up on this thread. Low battery battery if car is left sitting for any long periods of time, good call. Good price on the battery tender from amazon. I have a heavy duty one but will look into the amazon one. Probably not a cold weather issue, just throwing it out for some opinions.

Any previous owners (like myself) of the oil consuming 06 rev-up engines will agree it's an uphill battle with NNA. A TSB is more likely than any recall.

np! :tup: sucks that NNA is not very responsive to our needs. :(

GaleForce 01-24-2012 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1507606)

np! :tup: sucks that NNA is not very responsive to our needs. :(

They are like every other Auto Manufacturer... they'll give you the ol' reach around (do almost anything to seal the deal) during purchasing process... then everything goes to crap when you need service.

ChrisSlicks 01-24-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1507011)
latest update is that Z_Girl checked her 2012 for a steering lock for us and confirmed there is none...

a big kick in the balls for us 2009-2011 owners...

Hmm, this might mean that the BCM can be updated to "delete" the steering lock (along with physical removal of course).

Anyone know if the BCM can be reflashed?

kenchan 01-24-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1507647)
Hmm, this might mean that the BCM can be updated to "delete" the steering lock (along with physical removal of course).

Anyone know if the BCM can be reflashed?

im pretty sure there is a steering lock on the 2012's... just not the same type or location.

can someone confirm this? :confused:

370zproject 01-25-2012 12:24 AM

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ZForce 01-25-2012 10:56 AM

^ bummer man, hopefully the wait is not too long, but know that is wishful thinking from what I have read here and on the other threads.

Mr.kenchan, just a thought.... maybe setup a poll on this thread for those that have failed along with the rev number. It would give us a better idea of the number of failed units.

kenchan 01-25-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 1508389)
^ bummer man, hopefully the wait is not too long, but know that is wishful thinking from what I have read here and on the other threads.

Mr.kenchan, just a thought.... maybe setup a poll on this thread for those that have failed along with the rev number. It would give us a better idea of the number of failed units.

woo, that's a great idea.... i dont know how to do it. i will ask trips. :tup:

GaleForce 01-25-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 1508389)
^ bummer man, hopefully the wait is not too long, but know that is wishful thinking from what I have read here and on the other threads.

Mr.kenchan, just a thought.... maybe setup a poll on this thread for those that have failed along with the rev number. It would give us a better idea of the number of failed units.

Awesome idea!

Thechidz 01-25-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 1508389)
^ bummer man, hopefully the wait is not too long, but know that is wishful thinking from what I have read here and on the other threads.

Mr.kenchan, just a thought.... maybe setup a poll on this thread for those that have failed along with the rev number. It would give us a better idea of the number of failed units.

i've started collecting data here: http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...k-failure.html

kenchan 01-25-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thechidz (Post 1508909)

:tup:

kenchan 01-25-2012 04:28 PM

hey thechidz- trips mentioned one would need premium membership status to do the poll's...he's willing to help me out but since you already started collecting data if you'd like to do a poll, please PM triples to see if he can help you out instead. :tup:

happytheman 01-25-2012 05:21 PM

It would behoove us to be able to change our vote (if at all possible) in consideration that those of us that have yet to be afflicted...may become so.

ChrisSlicks 01-25-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1508962)
hey thechidz- trips mentioned one would need premium membership status to do the poll's...he's willing to help me out but since you already started collecting data if you'd like to do a poll, please PM triples to see if he can help you out instead. :tup:

If you end up doing a poll just make it for the failure cases (year and rev), if you add a hasn't failed yet option then we can't change our vote when it does inevitably fail! :tup:

Like they used to say about the Corvette steering lock, it isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of when.

spearfish25 01-25-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1507647)
Hmm, this might mean that the BCM can be updated to "delete" the steering lock (along with physical removal of course).

Anyone know if the BCM can be reflashed?

Any chance a 2012 BCM costs less than $500?

***edit: I just found a 2010 BCM for $269. Now to find a place selling a 2012 version...

kenchan 01-25-2012 09:46 PM

spearfish- i would first check to see what kind of steering lock is used on the 2012's. you're still going to need the signal feeding back to the BCM, i thinks...

ChrisSlicks 01-26-2012 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1509512)
spearfish- i would first check to see what kind of steering lock is used on the 2012's. you're still going to need the signal feeding back to the BCM, i thinks...

Anyone seen a 2012 repair manual?

370zproject 01-26-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1509512)
spearfish- i would first check to see what kind of steering lock is used on the 2012's. you're still going to need the signal feeding back to the BCM, i thinks...

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1509485)
Any chance a 2012 BCM costs less than $500?

***edit: I just found a 2010 BCM for $269. Now to find a place selling a 2012 version...

hmmm

kenchan 01-26-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 370zproject (Post 1510160)
hmmm

any update on your car and FREE replacement from dealer? :)

370zproject 01-26-2012 12:00 PM

well im going up there today in my dads red roadster gonna mark my old lock if they havent removed it yet then going to go ask them if they have any updattes

GaleForce 01-26-2012 03:32 PM

When it comes down to it, these suppliers just build the parts to the Manufacturer's specifications... it's up to the manufacturer to relay corrections to the supplier...


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