Originally Posted by 370er (Post 221530)

Yes Zaino is very expensive. The car wash liquid should be in a bigger bottle. I found it did a pretty good job though. I haven't used it on my Z yet but on my other car for a trial run. I brought one of the Zaino kits and also a bottle of the tire cleaner stuff, and a few microfiber cloths. The dealer wanted to sell me their car protection stuff but I thought it was a rip-off. At the end of the day I think the owner of the car would do a better job because they care a lot more about it. One thing I didn't like about zaino is that it was still in ounces measurements (fine if you live in US but Australia doesn't use ounces).

Should I claybar my Z? I'm wondering if it's necessary considering it's near brand new. I'm just scared of scratching the paintwork with it. I'm thinking it might do more harm than good.

Originally Posted by Forrest (Post 221693)

Meguiar's Direct NXT Generation® Tech Wax® 2.0
Tech Wax 2.0 $17.99

Z-2 $14.95
ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator Additive $19.95
then add sh.

It actually cost alot more than what you implied.

If you want to layer your car to make it look very wet i think zaino is the way to go. Or if you just want longer protection then its also the way to go.

It defenitly can add up in cost. I think its worth it though. I love how deep my car shines.

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 223912)

i think from what i've heard as long as im not getting ripped by the dealer for paint protection, but saving a huge amount from an outside source its worth getting... as they have a color riviver to polish car with aswell, still not sure whether or not when that they do the heat process to the paint to make the ming finish hardin, does it make the paint more suceptable to stone chips? as there is'nt as many layers as eg people with zaino... anyone with that kind of experience

Originally Posted by Forrest (Post 224104)

no matter how many layers of zaino you have, you will still get a rock chip.

zaino is not a fix all cure all.

Its bonus is it lasts longer than any thing and the layering system offers results that almost nobody can achieve from what i seen.

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 224107)

so in your opinion the zaino is better then the meguires nxt gen as you posted above? i just think the zaino steps woul;d take to long?

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 222739)

Zaino goes a very long way. 1 ounce I think would be enough to do the Z.

Originally Posted by dad (Post 224885)

Are you being serious?(no sarcasm intended)
I've never used Zaino and I have not read the application instructions.

Originally Posted by Forrest (Post 224463)

in my opinion zaino is better. I may buy meguiars NXT tech wax to test it.

The zaino steps are just apply polish and rub off. If its longer its worth it. It will stay on your car over 3 months.

as for ming paint protection, it sounds like a total rip off/scam
Pain Protection - Never Wax Again - Ming Shine Co. (Edmonton)
notice the only thing they say is your shine lasts a long time? you dont see them say your protected for a long time.

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 226632)

Good luck... =/

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 223912)

i think from what i've heard as long as im not getting ripped by the dealer for paint protection, but saving a huge amount from an outside source its worth getting... as they have a color riviver to polish car with aswell, still not sure whether or not when that they do the heat process to the paint to make the ming finish hardin, does it make the paint more suceptable to stone chips? as there is'nt as many layers as eg people with zaino... anyone with that kind of experience

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 228110)

OK, here's the deal.

You're having a product sprayed on your car as a "paint protectant", that supposedly bonds with the paint.

1) Are they going to clean the car before applying it?
1a) What are they doing to "prep" the surface?
2) If it bonds with the paint, why does it last only "so long" - why isn't it a lifetime bond?
3) Color reviver - lol - this car, and just about every car since...well, a damn long time ago, has had clearcoat. How do you revive "clear" as a color?
4) The paint is meant to flex a bit, have a bit of give. In our case, they also made it a bit too soft, but, it likely won't peel or crack, with the thin body panels and plastic bits we have (which makes sense, if you think about it) - if you harden a product over the top - it'll peel off.


You're far better off taking that money and giving it to a detailer that will use a claybar, polish, and wax, and keep paying that detailer to clean your car, or buy your own equipment and learn to DIY.

Now, add in, that the dealer wanted to sell it to you so badly, that they knocked it down, and continued to do so until you knuckled under and bought it thinking you got a great deal. Think about that tactic for a second...you were duped into buying something because they started high and you were 50/50. They dropped the price and you took it, thinking that you got a great deal. Fish, meet bait.

If I told you that I had this amazing cologne that has pherimones in it, and some chemical name that sounds cool that will absolutely get you laid...women within range of this scent will hit you up, and you can take them back to your place for a 3-day sexathon. This exclusive product costs only $10,000 - enough for 5 applications. Seriously, it works. Look at this brochure (it shows a fat slob hooked up with a super-model, and has testimonials)...not interested? How about I give it to you for 50% off. $5000. No? I think I could do it for $2000, and I can't go lower than that...

Still not interested? I don't see how I can go lower, so let me make sure you know what this does - you can walk into any club in town, pick up the prettiest woman there, and have sex with her for 3 days straight. I've done it, and our customers have done it, and I can assure you that it works...man I can't beleive I'm going to do this, but I'll sell it to you for $1000, because you look like you need to get laid - and who doesn't?

Can't afford that? Well, How about $400, and I give you 1/5th of the bottle, which then you can try it for yourself and see. Man you drive a hard bargin...$250 gets you 1 application.

You shell out $250 and take your bottle of moose-piss home.

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 228158)

for your comment regarding the color reviver, it is a polish that can be used in conjunction with the paint protection. so are you saying polishing your car does'nt bring out the color!

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 228178)

If the paint is protected, why would you need a color reviver?


Also, polishing a car doesn't bring out the color. It removes light scratches and swirl marks, which typically happen due to careless washing/waxing...which if this product works as a paint protectant, shouldn't happen, right?

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 228198)

and also even when zaino is used, zaino still needs to be re-applied "Even if there are no scratches/ swirl marks!" it's the same as this paint protection except the reviver only has to be used once per year.

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 228266)

Zaino-CS is an advanced total synthetic polymer protectant (sealent)

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 228285)

i have searched and searched this topic for days and have had the backwards and forth for against and for... but that was not on the Z cars and i know like you and many other people have said regarding the paint on this Z is that it is quit soft, hence why im going to so much effort to find out what will be the best route for this car,

Originally Posted by meven300 (Post 229415)

Hi, I've also recently been looking into pain protection. I phoned around about 30 dealers yesterday and found the guy who applied the X-Pack, they can do it for about $300 (interior, leather, paint etc) without warranty (1500 - 2000 with warranty). Although i'm still very wary of what they use and how good it would actually be. Considering the labor work involved, it must only cost about 25$ -$60 for all the sealants.

From what i've gathered from forums, the best do-it yourself stuff (sealant) is:

Infinity Glare products (6-12months) (200+) for the pack
nanoplex products (8-12months +, 18,000k) (200+) for the pack

some people talk about Paint Protection Direct - The ultimate paint protection and car polish for your car (Glassepex) who supposedly do a good job as well, although i couldn't find any reference to them other than on the internet. have they even got an ABN...

A lot of Americans are now using www.nanolex-international.com if they seal their cars, although from what i can tell, all the nano sealants are all the same and probably come from the same supplier in Germany.

I did come across a few waxes (although i didn't write them down) that last 6-8 months. However, they take a lot more work to apply then DIY sealant. Therefore it would be probably better to buy a sealant that does not dissolve then put wax on top (assuming the wax wont erode the sealant)

Notes:

* I also phoned around some car insurance and manufactures and they all said they cant recommend any protection as there is not industry standard for it in AUS anyway.

* some sealants require the drivers to wax/condition their car at least once a month (mainly Teflon based)

* I had my old ford focus paint protected (supposedly life warranty), the sealant started coming off about 2 1/2 years later.

Originally Posted by meven300 (Post 229984)

Got Crystal Elements Protection (via Ford) , Paint and Interior. You could see where the sealant had worn away on some of the roof. The seats where Ok, although the product they provided to remove marks didn't really work and left a mark of its own.

I didn't actually ask about it at the ford dealer as I'm trading my car in next week for a 2010 Golf TDI.

I must of spent over 10 hours looking at car forums reading about car protection, and there really is no clear answer as to what long lasting protection works and what does not.

I still considering waxing, although its a real pain to do all the maintenance with all these water restrictions.

Originally Posted by meven300 (Post 229415)

Hi, I've also recently been looking into pain protection. I phoned around about 30 dealers yesterday and found the guy who applied the X-Pack, they can do it for about $300 (interior, leather, paint etc) without warranty (1500 - 2000 with warranty). Although i'm still very wary of what they use and how good it would actually be. Considering the labor work involved, it must only cost about 25$ -$60 for all the sealants.

From what i've gathered from forums, the best do-it yourself stuff (sealant) is:

Infinity Glare products (6-12months) (200+) for the pack
nanoplex products (8-12months +, 18,000k) (200+) for the pack

some people talk about Paint Protection Direct - The ultimate paint protection and car polish for your car (Glassepex) who supposedly do a good job as well, although i couldn't find any reference to them other than on the internet. have they even got an ABN...

A lot of Americans are now using www.nanolex-international.com if they seal their cars, although from what i can tell, all the nano sealants are all the same and probably come from the same supplier in Germany.

I did come across a few waxes (although i didn't write them down) that last 6-8 months. However, they take a lot more work to apply then DIY sealant. Therefore it would be probably better to buy a sealant that does not dissolve then put wax on top (assuming the wax wont erode the sealant)

Notes:

* I also phoned around some car insurance and manufactures and they all said they cant recommend any protection as there is not industry standard for it in AUS anyway.

* some sealants require the drivers to wax/condition their car at least once a month (mainly Teflon based)

* I had my old ford focus paint protected (supposedly life warranty), the sealant started coming off about 2 1/2 years later.

Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 230004)

yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but do NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a normal crappy 10K car" so the company owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection....... as they even told me that the dealers markup is just crazy