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-   -   Junkman's "How to Completely Repair Your Paint Damage - The Videos! (http://www.the370z.com/detailing-washing-waxing-cosmetic-maintenance-repair/19278-junkmans-how-completely-repair-your-paint-damage-videos.html)

Junkman2008 02-16-2016 07:33 PM
As long as you don't clog the pores of the pad by using too much compound, then the pad will continue cutting. Once the pores are clogged, then of course it will not. So if you are paying attention to what you are doing and watching your results as well as the condition of te pad, then you will be able to see how long you can use a given pad. If the damage in the paint is somewhat light, I can do an entire car with one pad per product. Of course, my technique is always spot on and that's the reason I can get away with that.

RequiemZ 02-23-2016 04:56 PM
Just went through all the videos. Very helpful and easy to understand. I ordered all your recommendations for pads, porter cable, polishes, and a foam gun. Looking forward to using them. After i am done, i'll post some before/after pics of the results i get using your techniques.

Junkman2008 02-23-2016 06:50 PM
I will look forward to seeing your results. :)

RequiemZ 02-29-2016 09:42 AM
Results
 
So a quick overview of the products. I wasn't able to get some of the exact supplies suggested by Junkman so i had to supplement with what i could find. The only thing i didnt different was when misting the pad to use the polish remaining after the first pass, i used water and for M105 i used 2 sprays and for M205 i used 1 Spray. This seemed to keep the pad moist enough and not clog the pores. Detail spray for me clogged the pad up quickly.

Things i bought but haven't used yet: Quality Wash mitts, Foam gun + Foam

Porter cable 7472
- Great unit worked perfect for what i needed it to do. It will last me for quite some time.
Hexlogic Pads (Orange and White)
- Worked very well and using the technique of polish amount and misting inbetween passes i was able to stretch the polish a very long ways. Washing was easy and they cleaned right up nicely.
M105
- Very impressed, was able to remove 2000grit sanding blemishes with ease. Removed 80% of all the damage within one pass on my paint.
M205
- I didnt think i would notice a difference with using this after M105 but man yes it brings out a crazy shine
Chemical Guys Medium Clay + Lubricant
- Worked very well and got all the matted debris off the clear. The lubricant smells great. The medium level did cause micro marring but M105 took that away with ease.
Chemical Guys Premium Microfiber cloths
- Didn't know what to expect with these, i got 12 total. They are great value for the money and don't scratch the paint. They do have a tag so i always folded it to cover the tag so it didn't scratch the clear.
Chemical Guys Waffle Weave Cloths
- Very useful for the liquids and very absorbent. I only got 2 of them and should of got more.
Mequiars Quik Detail Spray
- I used this to help remove the polish so it wouldn't dry up and dust on me. I alternated between a wet microfiber cloth for removing the majority of the polish and then a dry for wiping of the tiny remaining polish.
Chemical Guys 5050 Wax
- Awesome wax, great smell, easy application, great beading. Will definitely use this again.

All in all i was happy with the results and the components i bought to do this. This was my first time really detailing and doing a paint correction on a car and the videos and tips the Junkman gives are excellent. My car looks better then when i bought it. It is a night and day difference. I did it all over one weekend, it took me over 15 hours from start to finish. 3 hours clay, 6 hours M105, 4 Hours M205, 2 Hours misc cleaning ect. The paint isn't 'perfect' but 90% of all the damage is gone, for some of the deeper scratches i didnt want to take more clear off to get a tiny scratch gone when i risk taking too much clear off. The reflective S picture shows the small scratches that i decided to live with.

Pictures!


http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...c.jpg~original
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original

EDIT: Added a close up pic of the paint.

Junkman2008 02-29-2016 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
So a quick overview of the products. I wasn't able to get some of the exact supplies suggested by Junkman so i had to supplement with what i could find. The only thing i didnt different was when misting the pad to use the polish remaining after the first pass, i used water and for M105 i used 2 sprays and for M205 i used 1 Spray. This seemed to keep the pad moist enough and not clog the pores. Detail spray for me clogged the pad up quickly.
The reason you had issues with the detail spray not working well was because of the BRAND of detail spray that you used. They are all not created equally and the IUDJ that I recommend can be diluted into multiple formulas. There's also Optimum's brand of detail spray that works very well also.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
Things i bought but haven't used yet: Quality Wash mitts, Foam gun + Foam
And if you want to maintain the shine you achieved, you should definitely implement those items into your next wash.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
Porter cable 7472
- Great unit worked perfect for what i needed it to do. It will last me for quite some time.
That machine is built like a ox. I have had mine for 8 years, trouble free.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
M105
- Very impressed, was able to remove 2000grit sanding blemishes with ease. Removed 80% of all the damage within one pass on my paint.
Now did you actually use 2000 grit sandpaper on your paint? Because I know from using 2000 grit on paint that you have to use a PERFECT technique with the PC to actually remove that kind of damage. 2000 grit sandpaper damage is on the most OUTER edge of what the PC can remove. As a matter of fact, I won't use a PC to remove that kind of damage. I use a Flex. M105 itself can pretty much remove ANY of the paint sanding grits when used with a capable polisher.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
M205
- I didnt think i would notice a difference with using this after M105 but man yes it brings out a crazy shine
This is why I don't use AIO (all-in-one) products to do paint correction. They NEVER finish down like the 1-2 punch of a compound followed by a polish.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
Chemical Guys Premium Microfiber cloths
- Didn't know what to expect with these, i got 12 total. They are great value for the money and don't scratch the paint. They do have a tag so i always folded it to cover the tag so it didn't scratch the clear.
Here's the problem with those cheap, made in China towels. You won't necessarily see the damage right away from using one but over time, you will look at your paint and wonder where in the world all of those scratches are coming from. Every time you use one of those cheap towels, you start unraveling all of the work that you did this weekend. Over time, you will have to repeat all of this work again and I know from experience that the 370Z is not one of those cars where they laid the clear coat on real thick.

In my video, I stress the importance of recognizing what you did wrong to end up with jacked up paint and to avoid repeating those things once your paint has been fixed. Right now, you are starting right back down that very road. Three words: Eagle Blue Edgeless. You have got to get keen to them if you want to maintain perfect looking paint.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
Chemical Guys Waffle Weave Cloths
- Very useful for the liquids and very absorbent. I only got 2 of them and should of got more.
Two words: The Pluffle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
Mequiars Quik Detail Spray
- I used this to help remove the polish so it wouldn't dry up and dust on me. I alternated between a wet microfiber cloth for removing the majority of the polish and then a dry for wiping of the tiny remaining polish.
Infinite Use Detail Juice. As an alternative, Optimum's Detail Spray is another good brand. Then you won't have to make the mistake of using water.

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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425180)
Chemical Guys 5050 Wax
- Awesome wax, great smell, easy application, great beading. Will definitely use this again.
Since I didn't go into waxes on these videos, I will state what I use here. I use paste waxes by Collinite. I like both their Super Double-Coat Carnuba Paste Wax and their Marque D’Elegance Carnauba Paste Wax. The latter cost more but last much longer than any other carnuba paste waxes that I've used. The sealants that I use are made by Hi-Temp, particularly their polymer sealant Terminator HT-62.

I understand that people want to save money and that's why they cut corners. But a LOT of what you buy detailing wise will last you for years and is an initial up front one time purchase. Since you're not detailing a Yugo, spend the money and treat your car right. If the Z wasn't a nice car, I wouldn't be posting on this forum. So treat it like it deserves to be treated. When the paint on these cars is right, they stand out like trophy wives (or trophy husbands for all the girls reading :D ).

RequiemZ 02-29-2016 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Junkman2008 (Post 3425300)
The reason you had issues with the detail spray not working well was because of the BRAND of detail spray that you used. They are all not created equally and the IUDJ that I recommend can be diluted into multiple formulas. There's also Optimum's brand of detail spray that works very well also.



And if you want to maintain the shine you achieved, you should definitely implement those items into your next wash.



That machine is built like a ox. I have had mine for 8 years, trouble free.



Now did you actually use 2000 grit sandpaper on your paint? Because I know from using 2000 grit on paint that you have to use a PERFECT technique with the PC to actually remove that kind of damage. 2000 grit sandpaper damage is on the most OUTER edge of what the PC can remove. As a matter of fact, I won't use a PC to remove that kind of damage. I use a Flex. M105 itself can pretty much remove ANY of the paint sanding grits when used with a capable polisher.



This is why I don't use AIO (all-in-one) products to do paint correction. They NEVER finish down like the 1-2 punch of a compound followed by a polish.



Here's the problem with those cheap, made in China towels. You won't necessarily see the damage right away from using one but over time, you will look at your paint and wonder where in the world all of those scratches are coming from. Every time you use one of those cheap towels, you start unraveling all of the work that you did this weekend. Over time, you will have to repeat all of this work again and I know from experience that the 370Z is not one of those cars where they laid the clear coat on real thick.

In my video, I stress the importance of recognizing what you did wrong to end up with jacked up paint and to avoid repeating those things once your paint has been fixed. Right now, you are starting right back down that very road. Three words: Eagle Blue Edgeless. You have got to get keen to them if you want to maintain perfect looking paint.



Two words: The Pluffle.



Infinite Use Detail Juice. As an alternative, Optimum's Detail Spray is another good brand. Then you won't have to make the mistake of using water.



Since I didn't go into waxes on these videos, I will state what I use here. I use paste waxes by Collinite. I like both their Super Double-Coat Carnuba Paste Wax and their Marque D’Elegance Carnauba Paste Wax. The latter cost more but last much longer than any other carnuba paste waxes that I've used. The sealants that I use are made by Hi-Temp, particularly their polymer sealant Terminator HT-62.

I understand that people want to save money and that's why they cut corners. But a LOT of what you buy detailing wise will last you for years and is an initial up front one time purchase. Since you're not detailing a Yugo, spend the money and treat your car right. If the Z wasn't a nice car, I wouldn't be posting on this forum. So treat it like it deserves to be treated. When the paint on these cars is right, they stand out like trophy wives (or trophy husbands for all the girls reading :D ).
-Yeah i believe it was just the type of the detail spray, I'll have to get some infinite use later on.
-I did use 3M 2000grit sand paper.
-So when you say scratches by the micro fiber, i tested that theory, i took the CG microfiber on an unwaxed 'perfect' piece of paint and dry buffed it hard, i couldn't see any scratches. I'll eventually get the higher end cloths but for what i used them for they worked good. The black cherry paint shows every scratch so it was easy to see if it was damaging it. That being said, i tested the same theory using a Canadian tire simonz micro fiber cloth and it did actually scratch the paint i was surprised to say the least.
-Just bought the car only had it for a week. I've always hand washed my cars and my last one was vinyl wrapped. I never go to touchless or car washes, so i was mainly fixing the previous owners mistakes. Car has 11000km on it. Admittingly though, i haven't used a 2 bucket wash so that and the foam gun will be used regularly from now on
-The total cost for me was 750 CAN, judging by the amount of materials i used (minus the detail spray and cloths) i would say it will easily last me along time. So the amount of money seems large but for me was worth it.

Here is a picture of the area i wetsanded then polished after. You can see one hairline scratch above the light reflection. I was pretty happy with those results. This is after 3 passes of crosshatched M105 and 2 passes of M205.

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original

So all in all a big thanks again, videos were great and will help lots of people fix bad habits :) My car looks better then when i bought it :) And on a side note, even thought your videos are long you keep the viewer engaged so i wasnt bored at any time throughout the 2+ hours i watched.

Junkman2008 02-29-2016 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RequiemZ (Post 3425328)
... The total cost for me was 750 CAN, judging by the amount of materials i used (minus the detail spray and cloths) i would say it will easily last me along time. So the amount of money seems large but for me was worth it.
This is extremely important. A lot of people think that they are going to have to keep spending large amounts of money to maintain their car. The first time that you do this, you have that initial cost. But like you said, when you see how little of the supplies you end up using, you will quickly realize that you will have enough product to last you for quite a while. The things that you end up constantly buying (depending on how often you wash your car), are the car wash soap (I use Gary Dean's) and the foam gun soap (I use DP's Xtreme Foam Formula). Everything else is going to last you for a while if you are using what I use and doing it the way I do. I wash my car 2-3 times a week so that's why I go through so much soap.

It looks as if you paid close attention to those videos. I wish that I could see your car in person. I could then evaluate whether or not those small remaining scratches could come out. My wet sanding videos show how to remove them if they can but it is ALWAYS safe to live with them. Most people wouldn't notice them any way. Most people don't even notice their swirls! :eek:

Good job on the paint man. If I had a Z, black cherry would definitely be the color that I would have. :tup:

RequiemZ 02-29-2016 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Junkman2008 (Post 3425558)
This is extremely important. A lot of people think that they are going to have to keep spending large amounts of money to maintain their car. The first time that you do this, you have that initial cost. But like you said, when you see how little of the supplies you end up using, you will quickly realize that you will have enough product to last you for quite a while. The things that you end up constantly buying (depending on how often you wash your car), are the car wash soap (I use Gary Dean's) and the foam gun soap (I use DP's Xtreme Foam Formula). Everything else is going to last you for a while if you are using what I use and doing it the way I do. I wash my car 2-3 times a week so that's why I go through so much soap.

It looks as if you paid close attention to those videos. I wish that I could see your car in person. I could then evaluate whether or not those small remaining scratches could come out. My wet sanding videos show how to remove them if they can but it is ALWAYS safe to live with them. Most people wouldn't notice them any way. Most people don't even notice their swirls! :eek:

Good job on the paint man. If I had a Z, black cherry would definitely be the color that I would have. :tup:
Yeah the color is growing on me even more now so, definitely changes color in the right light. I think you could probably get some more scratches out but i can hardly see them even in the right light so i am pretty happy :)

I have a question. So with the hexlogic pads i have the orange and white. How many uses of the pads will i get before they become ineffective? They look new again after i cleaned them. Do they have a certain about of abrasiveness to them that wears out over time? Or is it the actual design of the pad that cuts?

Junkman2008 02-29-2016 03:51 PM
If you use my technique, you will wear out the paint on your car BEFORE those pads wear out. I have pads that are going on 6 years old.

ZForce 03-06-2016 02:34 PM
Good job Junk Man ! Props

Junkman2008 03-06-2016 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 3430436)
Good job Junk Man ! Props
Thank you sir. :tiphat:

Zed-Leppelin 02-15-2018 06:24 AM
Yo yo yo yo Junkman...the Boy Wonder here..... ;)
Its good to see you are spreading your vast wealth of detailing knowledge around. Good work...and of by the way...who is your photog? Bob? heh heh...

Anyway, after our phone call...Ive decide to learn from the best...Ill be bringing my ride to your garage very soon!

Zed

a.k.a. The Boy Wonder...

Junkman2008 02-15-2018 12:17 PM
Well, look what the cat drug in! The Boy Wonder! Women pass out across the world when they hear his name! LOL!

Bring It On by buddy. We will sit down and knock it out, and then go get some grub! The good thing for you is that it is white. White doesn't show damage as bad as any other color so you will be able to get away with more than most owners would. But we will see what condition it is in and how much we can improve it. I already know that I can improve it but the question is, how much bling can we bring!?

My guess would be "a significant amount!"

Zed-Leppelin 02-15-2018 02:12 PM
heh heh do these cats know about your Youtube channel? Or do they know about the "Mean-O Camino"? and there HAS to be a video of you and the Vette out on Bowling Greens track somewhere right?

Junkman2008 02-15-2018 02:55 PM
Of course they do! April will make 8 years for me being on this form. I've met some of the guys who live here in Louisville as well as other states, who have came to my detailing clinics. The guys on the Z forum know me well. We have had some good times!


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