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Junkman2008 04-13-2010 09:13 AM

How to Safely Remove Dust from Your Z - The Videos!
 
Okay boys and girls, The Junkman is back with another video series. This time I cover the proper technique of using a waterless wash product on your paint without damaging the paint. A lot of people experience scratches when using waterless wash products (even detail spray), because they use it at a inappropriate time. Adam's Waterless Wash (or an equivalent waterless washing product) is an outstanding solution and will yield exceptional results when used at a time that it was designed for. However, if you use it at a time when your car should be 2-bucket washed instead, you could end up being your paint's worst enemy. It is not the product that is at fault, it is your technique.

There are 2 types of dirt that will end up on your car: dust and everything else (everything else as in mud, film, a herd of bird droppings, etc...). Waterless Wash products are made for dust, finger prints or something else that has just landed on your paint can also be removed with Waterless Wash. If a major area of the car is covered with anything else, you need to wash it, especially a car covered with a dirt film (which is what you find covering the car after driving it in the rain). A caked on spot of something like bird droppings can be removed using Waterless Wash but you have to soak the spot a good deal and make sure that the substance is fully diluted enough to remove. Rubbing on it too soon will do nothing but scratch the paint.

Common sense is the key here. I can't list all the situations that a Waterless Wash product can be used for but after watching these videos, you will have a good idea. With that said, on to the videos!



The Videos!


Waterless Wash - Part 1


Waterless Wash - Part 2


Waterless Wash - Part 3


Waterless wash - Part 4

Gunzero 04-13-2010 10:17 AM

Thanks a lot!

kenchan 04-13-2010 12:51 PM

if it's just dust use your QD and MF towel.

Gaiiden 04-13-2010 07:49 PM

if it's just dust even better is to use a swiffer!! Seriously, I use one all the time on my MB Z and never leaves a scratch. Watch out for the plastic handle tho! Best to just hand wipe

Zaggeron 04-13-2010 08:37 PM

Spam?

Post edit: New guy. His posts seemed helpful. Giving benefit of the doubt. Conclusion: not spam.:tup:

Junkman2008 04-13-2010 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 495409)
Spam?

You need to see my introduction thread. ;)

Guys, a QD and microfiber towel is only effective if the dust is loose and you need to remove as much dust off the paint BEFORE you go that route. I am led to believe that if you think it can be done any other way, then you didn't watch the videos.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaiiden (Post 495371)
if it's just dust even better is to use a swiffer!! Seriously, I use one all the time on my MB Z and never leaves a scratch. Watch out for the plastic handle tho! Best to just hand wipe

As for the Swiffer suggestion, your method definitely will scratch and swirl the paint to death. You don't have to believe me, you can see it for yourself. Take your camera and set it for macro mode. This will enable you to take a picture of your paint from less than 12 inches. Then, shoot the flash off into the paint and capture it in the picture. I will bet the house that this is what you'll see (because I do this all the time and have never lost this bet :D).

This guy swore that his paint was flawless. This is what he saw:

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cforum/chrynats4.jpg


This is what I showed him:

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cforum/chrynats3.jpg


This is what it looked like after I fixed it:

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cforum/chrynats5.jpg

His daughter (in the picture) was going to get the car when he croaked. She made him buy the stuff necessary to fix the car.

How about some more examples.

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cfo...eup_paint1.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cfo...eup_paint2.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cfo...eup_paint3.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cfo...eup_paint4.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cfo...eup_paint6.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cfo...eup_paint5.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cforum/slo-cut4.jpg

http://www.pc-surgeon.net/images/cforum/slo-cut5.jpg

I would love to see a macro burst shot of your paint... ;)

Xan 04-13-2010 09:36 PM

Nice work!

I like the leaf blower concept to dry the car... As long as you don't blow dirt and dust on your car while using it...

Any recommendations on quality towels?

Junkman2008 04-13-2010 10:38 PM

I wash my car inside my garage so blowing dust around is not a concern because the area is soaking wet as I begin to dry. If you are outside in your driveway, make sure the area is wet around your car (it should be as you have just rinsed the car).

The best microfiber in the world is coming out of South Korea right now. Both Zaino and Adam's sells the microfiber towels that you want to use and can be found at either of their websites. Adam's also sells the shorter nap microfiber cloths that are best when using a quick detailer or waterless washing product.

SoCal 370Z 04-13-2010 10:59 PM

Junkman2008,

Please don't take this wrong, but are you a vendor, planning to become a vendor, or just a guy saving swirls...one swirl at a time?

Junkman2008 04-13-2010 11:09 PM

Just a guy saving paint jobs, one car at a time. I don't own any detailing companies or work for one, but I get sent a lot of stuff from detailing companies all over the world who ask me to try out their stuff. When I find something that I actually believe in because of how well it works, I share that product with the world. Sort of my way of paying it forward.

I don't do this with just detailing, I also do it with fifth generation Corvette repairs, as that's the car I have a lot of passion for too. Here's just one of a many write-ups that I have done on that subject.

The job that I actually get paid for and the taskmaster who signs my check is this guy. He's a brute to work for but I manage to survive somehow... :D

JakeZ34 04-13-2010 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 495564)
Junkman2008,

Please don't take this wrong, but are you a vendor, planning to become a vendor, or just a guy saving swirls...one swirl at a time?

I think this whole Adam's car wash product thing is getting out of control lol. I saw all his videos and most are featuring Adam's car wash products. Anyway I'm not here to start anything.

tsolin01 04-14-2010 12:10 AM

I think the main thing you should get out of all the videos isn't the products but the technique and attention to detail. Although I don't have the patience to stop swirl marks all together, following some techniques will at least limit it.

So how is the california duster any different from a swiffer? Especially if you follow the same barely touch the car technique? Just wondering because if I have them for the house anyway, I can just use them on the car too instead of getting a separate thing.

Junkman2008 04-14-2010 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeZ34 (Post 495618)
I think this whole Adam's car wash product thing is getting out of control lol. I saw all his videos and most are featuring Adam's car wash products. Anyway I'm not here to start anything.

Check out what Tsolin01 says. He gets it. Guys who use Meguiar's products can substitute the appropriate products in place of the Adam's stuff and get the same exact results. So can Zaino users, along with a host of other professional product brands. It's not about the name on the bottle, it's about the process and technique itself.

The reason I do most of my demos with Adam's products is because the line is extremely simple and for a novice, they won't get lost in the choice of products. Their line fits a majority of the paint issues that you will see today which makes it ideal for a novice who just quit using the drive through car wash.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsolin01 (Post 495637)
I think the main thing you should get out of all the videos isn't the products but the technique and attention to detail. Although I don't have the patience to stop swirl marks all together, following some techniques will at least limit it.

So how is the california duster any different from a swiffer? Especially if you follow the same barely touch the car technique? Just wondering because if I have them for the house anyway, I can just use them on the car too instead of getting a separate thing.

It is totally a mindset. The way you have worded your post has a feel to it that you have accepted your paints condition as a way of life. Yet, you understand that my techniques will severely limit more paint damage. You're 50% of the way there in your understanding which is why you can't see the brutality of using something like the Swiffer on your paint.

It would take you completely correcting your paint for this to sink in. Right now, you can't see the damage it does because of the damage already on your paint. If your paint was corrected, you would see the damage began to show up over multiple uses of a device like that. Every time you touch your paint, you risk the opportunity to damage it. That's why you limit the touching of the paint as much as possible, and then use the proper products when you do.

You're at the edge of the pool. We just need to push you in. :)

fullmonty 04-14-2010 07:32 AM

Another one from Junkman. Very good write up!

370Zsteve 04-14-2010 08:15 AM

I like this guy. Has a Zen feel to it. First reaction was Spammer! but no specific product endorsement seen, in fact just the opposite...and the kicker is he's not a brand snob either. +1 rep

Xan 04-14-2010 10:02 AM

I spend all of last night watching your Youtube videos.
10 parts on fixing that hood on the o'meano... full of great tips..

As for product endorsements, I'll be using Zaino, but still found the videos useful.
I'll be buying a leaf blower and some hose couplings this weekend! :tup:

+reps!

Prosport Gauges 04-14-2010 10:15 AM

I think Junkman is doing a great job guys. I even PMd him for some advise and he didnt try and sell me anything. just pointed me in the right direction. He is not selling on here or saying anything about prices. just simply pointing out stuff he uses. Makes perfect sense, obviously if he didnt tell any of us what he used his inbox would be flooded with PM's "what did you use on this or that"

Who cares if he plugs adams products. thats no different then you guys saying of FI exhaust is awesome or Stillen is badass.

Keep up the good work junkman, Repd!

Junkman2008 04-14-2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 495883)
I like this guy. Has a Zen feel to it. First reaction was Spammer! but no specific product endorsement seen, in fact just the opposite...and the kicker is he's not a brand snob either. +1 rep

Thank you sir! :tup:

You will never hear me put down any brand except for the over the counter stuff. There is a reason it is sold there and there is a reason you can't get the professional stuff there. I have always said this: "Any professional grade product will take you to Shineville. The only difference is the road you travel to get there."

Some products will have you do this, and some will have you do that. What you have to choose is which product goes about that trip in a manner that is understandable to you, stays within your cost constraints and provides results that you are satisfied with. That product may not be the same for everyone and that's why there are so many to choose from.

It is not a question of which product is the best, it is a question of which product is best for you! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xan (Post 496029)
I spend all of last night watching your Youtube videos.
10 parts on fixing that hood on the o'meano... full of great tips..

As for product endorsements, I'll be using Zaino, but still found the videos useful.
I'll be buying a leaf blower and some hose couplings this weekend! :tup:

+reps!

I even have an older Zaino video series up there!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_west06 (Post 496046)
... if he didnt tell any of us what he used his inbox would be flooded with PM's "what did you use on this or that"

lol! You're so correct!

Xan 04-14-2010 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkman2008 (Post 496226)
I even have an older Zaino video series up there!

Cool, I'll check those out tonight!

Prosport Gauges 04-14-2010 02:18 PM

haha, i like when junkman is like "this puppy right here"....

Junkman2008 04-14-2010 02:26 PM

lol!

That's the "country" in me! :D

Chris@FsP 04-14-2010 03:15 PM

I've been using a cheap electric leaf blower to dry my cars for years, I'm glad to see it's not just me! I get some strange looks from the neighbors every time I use it :ugh:

Prosport Gauges 04-14-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by failsafeperf (Post 496486)
i've been using a cheap electric leaf blower to dry my cars for years, i'm glad to see it's not just me! I get some strange looks from the neighbors every time i use it :ugh:

me too!

Junkman2008 04-14-2010 05:36 PM

I'm strange, so the neighbors just overlook me. :D

tsolin01 04-14-2010 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkman2008 (Post 495811)
It is totally a mindset. The way you have worded your post has a feel to it that you have accepted your paints condition as a way of life. Yet, you understand that my techniques will severely limit more paint damage. You're 50% of the way there in your understanding which is why you can't see the brutality of using something like the Swiffer on your paint.

It would take you completely correcting your paint for this to sink in. Right now, you can't see the damage it does because of the damage already on your paint. If your paint was corrected, you would see the damage began to show up over multiple uses of a device like that. Every time you touch your paint, you risk the opportunity to damage it. That's why you limit the touching of the paint as much as possible, and then use the proper products when you do.

You're at the edge of the pool. We just need to push you in. :)

Haha yea I've pretty much accepted the fact it's never going to be 100% perfect all the time. You got some good techniques there though. I'm sure those videos will help people get one step closer to perfect paint.

WShade 04-14-2010 10:38 PM

I am now a YouTube subscriber!

Junkman2008 04-14-2010 11:09 PM

Thanks for the sub, bro'!

Xan 04-15-2010 08:56 PM

I'm going to see Adam's products in real life as there is a clinic this weekend, not to far from my house.
http://www.the370z.com/north-east-re...-saturday.html

I was contacting them as they are an Adam's dealer and I thought it was a quick way to get some of those towels you recommended ... :tup:

Other then that, I got my foam gun, mine is a little different, but it looks like it will work:
http://images.lowes.com/product/conv...88603127xl.jpg

And I got all my quick connects and shut off valves... to make sure I can easily start pooling...

Junkman2008 04-15-2010 09:46 PM

Well it looks like you're going to be set! :tup:

Xan 04-15-2010 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkman2008 (Post 498489)
Well it looks like you're going to be set! :tup:

Oh and I'm picking up the leaf blower tomorrow...

So then I should be set and I'll be re-inacting your videos, without a camera... :)

LateralG'z 04-15-2010 09:54 PM

you crazy foo:shakes head:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 496486)
I've been using a cheap electric leaf blower to dry my cars for years, I'm glad to see it's not just me! I get some strange looks from the neighbors every time I use it :ugh:


TipsZ 04-16-2010 10:23 AM

The Junkman has garnered my respect. Anyone who puts together a series of "how to" videos on their own time, while not trying to spin some magical product, is worth listening to. Plus the fact that he is a fellow Veteran gains even more respect in my eyes. Huah!

chibbell 04-16-2010 11:10 AM

Really great videos and love seeing someone with some personality and charm. Great advice all around. Looking forward to my next wash.

Now to see if I can convince the wife that new microfiber towels are a perfectly reasonable way to spend money.

G Fo12ce 04-17-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 495883)
I like this guy. Has a Zen feel to it. First reaction was Spammer! but no specific product endorsement seen, in fact just the opposite...and the kicker is he's not a brand snob either. +1 rep

:iagree: +1 rep. I'll be watching the other videos too after seeing those. I definitely learned some stuff.

So what's your opinion on using something like the Absorber after a wash to dry (there shouldn't be much dirt to grind in)? I am going to assume your "less touching of the paint is better" will be your answer. I have a compressor in the garage with an air blowing attachement but I never use it for that purpose.

Jason 04-17-2010 02:07 PM

"nothing fancy because this is a brother-in-his-garage-production". lol. great stuff, man. i can appreciate a fellow perfectionist's insight!

Gaiiden 04-20-2010 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkman2008 (Post 495423)
As for the Swiffer suggestion, your method definitely will scratch and swirl the paint to death.

My definition of "scratch" is anything that will not buff out. I've owned three black cars and have swiffered stuff off all of them to no permanent ill-effect. Altho, I also cover them with Zymol Vintage from the detailer (60% carnuba) twice a year so I'm not to worried about even touching the paint with a swiffer.

Realistically speaking tho, my car's a daily driver, not a show car or a weekend ride. I have no illusions as to the damage it'll take over time. If anyone really wants to take the extra time to keep their car as pristine as possible (and don't drive it often), then by all means skip the swiffer. For me tho it quickly reaches a point of diminishing returns in the time spent maintaining the car's condition vs. the time spent on the road getting it all dirty again.

Junkman2008 04-20-2010 07:08 AM

For what it's worth, I don't even wash my daily driver. I slide across the hood like Bo Duke and kick the doors closed. So my daily driver is for one thing: driving!

And I drive the hell out of it!

Now my sports car is for driving too! However, I don't drive it in the snow and I refrain from driving it in the rain. Upkeep is not a pain because I use preventive measures to keep from damaging it. If you are preventive with damaging your paint, maintenance and upkeep will be minimal. There is no extra time involved and the pride of your routine is evident. If you decide to sell your car one day, the upkeep will be rewarded with a higher selling price. ;)

Chris@FsP 04-20-2010 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LateralG'z (Post 498497)
you crazy foo:shakes head:

:bowrofl:

KingZee 04-20-2010 01:39 PM

I can't wait to buy a house with a garage and a decent driveway so I don't have to entrust my car in other people's hands.

TipsZ 04-21-2010 08:55 AM

Question for you knowledgeable ones:

I currently only have a 2 car garage, which is occupied with my wife's vehicle and the Z. However, I have a 3rd vehicle, that must stay out in the elements. In addition, this vehicle sits underneath a big oak tree that is constantly providing fall-out (ie bird crap, pollen, leaves, sap, etc). If I go through the trouble of correcting the paint (wash / clay / wax), how often would you think that layer of wax would last before I would have to redo the whole color correction routine? Note that I live in Florida where it does tend to rain a lot.


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