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cooltoy 07-14-2015 07:20 PM

Petro Canada Ultra 94. Yea or nay?
 
I have always been using Shell because it has no ethanol.

Somewhat intrigued by PC's 94 octane fuel, but it has 10% ethanol. Not sure I like the idea of ethanol.

Comments? Thoughts?

Thank you.

DEpointfive0 07-14-2015 07:28 PM

Shell is what octane? (Also, how is octane calculated in Canadia?)

And I'd rather go no ethanol for NA

cooltoy 07-14-2015 07:32 PM

Shell is 91 which = 10025 in US.

zefaulter 07-14-2015 07:33 PM

I've used both but can't tell the difference... Sorry lol

cooltoy 07-14-2015 07:36 PM

In that case it's not worse it.

DEpointfive0 07-14-2015 08:09 PM

Ethanol is worse, lol

You might not notice it, but it's worse

GaleForce 07-14-2015 08:16 PM

I run PetroCan Ultra 94.

binary0x01 07-14-2015 08:22 PM

Shell has no Ethanol at all or just in Canada?

DEpointfive0 07-14-2015 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 3256897)
Shell has no Ethanol at all or just in Canada?

This is probably a Canadia thing

binary0x01 07-14-2015 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3256943)
This is probably a Canadia thing

Lucky nucks...

DEpointfive0 07-14-2015 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 3256952)
Lucky nucks...

SOME gas stations in the US have 91 no ethanol and 93 with E10, but you're in CA, it's all E10 lol

ta-kid 07-14-2015 10:27 PM

My understanding ,as told by a Petro Canada refinery employee is the 94 octane at Petro Can is supplied by Chevron.Now the Chevron stations do not have any ethanol in their 94 Octane.Only in 91 and lower and not always ,only when ethanol is available.

Jayson_Bourne 07-14-2015 10:47 PM

I watched a documentary on gas, apparently Ethanol will give you less mileage.

Basically 100% ethanol vs 100% gasoline, ethanol car travels 300km and gasoline car travels 500km, something similar to that.

Shell 91 V power Nitro is what I find lasts longer. 94 oct is for more power but you wont get as far as Shell V power.

There's your info, choose which suites you best. Last longer or more power :/

cooltoy 07-14-2015 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayson_Bourne (Post 3257069)
Last longer or more power :/

My wife always chooses the first. :icon23:

cooltoy 07-14-2015 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 3256897)
Shell has no Ethanol at all or just in Canada?

I can only speak for here, but it is only Shell V-Power NiTRO+ (91) that has no ethanol. The mid-grade and regular have ethanol.

cooltoy 07-14-2015 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayson_Bourne (Post 3257069)
I watched a documentary on gas, apparently Ethanol will give you less mileage.

Basically 100% ethanol vs 100% gasoline, ethanol car travels 300km and gasoline car travels 500km, something similar to that.

Shell 91 V power Nitro is what I find lasts longer. 94 oct is for more power but you wont get as far as Shell V power.

There's your info, choose which suites you best. Last longer or more power :/

If I try the PC Ultra 94 one time, will I notice any difference? Or does the ECU need time to adjust?

cooltoy 07-14-2015 11:22 PM

Apparently Husky also has 94 octane gas (with ethanol).

90 ST 07-14-2015 11:25 PM

For what it's worth, I've run Shell V-Power for the last 225,000 miles, no problems car still pulls good, and get the same mileage I always have. In the US when I've been out there with the car I do find I get better mileage with the gas in general. Also I run the highest octane available when I fill up in the US, I try to only fill up at Shell there also, but if I can't find one I try and stick with "good" brands.

Jordo! 07-15-2015 02:07 AM

The ethanol content if its < E10 is pretty negligible -- it more like any odd hiccups (random miss) might be attributed to it in the absence of a better explanation, but really its fine.

The 94 octane (assuming AKI rather than RON) is worth it if you are tuned and running a little more ignition advance or the car sees hot laps on the track -- otherwise, I doubt you'll find much of a difference in power either.

On the other hand, it certainly won't hurt -- what's the price difference compared to 91 and can you get 93?

LMBmikeZ 07-15-2015 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 3256890)
I run PetroCan Ultra 94.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3257081)
I can only speak for here, but it is only Shell V-Power NiTRO+ (91) that has no ethanol. The mid-grade and regular have ethanol.

I also use 94 but original was using shell 91. When I got the car tuned the guy said he would recommend the 94 "if it was him" he said. He explained there would be less engine knock and burn just that little bit hotter which is a good thing :tup:

I figured, you know what he knows more about that crap then me, after that I made the switch :tup:

Cooltoy - I have noticed at petro-can when you look at the grades of gas the 94 does not have any mention of ethanol on the label/sticker/sign for selecting grade. Where the lower grades are one big label/sticker/sign that covers all 3 grades and that sticker has the **may contain up to 10% ethanol. I think what ta-kid posted is correct no ethanol and the fuel is coming from a chevron refinery.

GaleForce 07-15-2015 08:40 AM

Taken from the Petro Canada FAQ

Quote:

Does Ultra 94 contain ethanol? Does Petro-Canada still offer an ethanol-free gasoline?
Ultra 94 contains ethanol. Due to the fact that various fuel grades are blended at the point of sale, most grades of Petro-Canada fuel may now contain up to 10% ethanol. This represents a change from the previous state, where premium fuel was ethanol-free at Petro-Canada.
Link to the Petro Canada Ultra 94 FAQ

Petro-Canada Canada’s Gas Station Home Page - Petro-Points - Petro-Canada and CIBC MasterCard

Shell Canada V-Power NiTRO+ info,

Shell V-Power NiTRO+ - Canada

Shell Canada V-Power NiTRO+ FAQ,

Shell V-Power NiTRO+ FAQs - Canada

90 ST 07-15-2015 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 3257295)
Taken from the Petro Canada FAQ



Link to the Petro Canada Ultra 94 FAQ

Petro-Canada Canada’s Gas Station Home Page - Petro-Points - Petro-Canada and CIBC MasterCard

Shell Canada V-Power NiTRO+ info,

Shell V-Power NiTRO+ - Canada

Shell Canada V-Power NiTRO+ FAQ,

Shell V-Power NiTRO+ FAQs - Canada

11. Is Shell V-Power NiTRO+ premium gasoline safe for all vehicles?
•Shell V-Power NiTRO+ is effective in all gasoline-powered engines found in conventional, modern and hybrid vehicles as well as motorcycles, snowmobiles, and leisure marine vehicles.
•Shell V-Power NiTRO+ premium gasoline in Canada does not contain ethanol.

So sounds like we're good in Canada with Shell V Power for no ethanol...other then what's left in the hose from the last person.

cooltoy 07-15-2015 09:47 AM

PetroCanada website says that it now has ethanol.

Zipper 104 07-15-2015 01:52 PM

Gas in Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 3257332)
11. Is Shell V-Power NiTRO+ premium gasoline safe for all vehicles?
•Shell V-Power NiTRO+ is effective in all gasoline-powered engines found in conventional, modern and hybrid vehicles as well as motorcycles, snowmobiles, and leisure marine vehicles.
•Shell V-Power NiTRO+ premium gasoline in Canada does not contain ethanol.

So sounds like we're good in Canada with Shell V Power for no ethanol...other then what's left in the hose from the last person.

I don't recall the last time I bought gas in Canada,but I am headed to the U.S. for a few weeks soon so I'll try and do some gas research while I'm there. I've used Chevron exclusively forever but now I'm thinking about using Shell. My Chevron card doesn't give me any points but using my VISA for gas will. Bonus.

104

mishuko 07-15-2015 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3257081)
I can only speak for here, but it is only Shell V-Power NiTRO+ (91) that has no ethanol. The mid-grade and regular have ethanol.

doing the reverse right now and i can't tell a difference from going from PC 94 to shell 91. have had about 2 tanks on 91. although my tank is a bit sloppy since i had some irving premium, no name mix and bunch of other mixed gases and some octane boost from my road trip. i should really burn that gas to 1/4 tank then fill'er. :shakes head:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 3257108)
The ethanol content if its < E10 is pretty negligible -- it more like any odd hiccups (random miss) might be attributed to it in the absence of a better explanation, but really its fine.

The 94 octane (assuming AKI rather than RON) is worth it if you are tuned and running a little more ignition advance or the car sees hot laps on the track -- otherwise, I doubt you'll find much of a difference in power either.

On the other hand, it certainly won't hurt -- what's the price difference compared to 91 and can you get 93?

we also have select esso offering 93 (haven't tried) as well.

few cents more for the 94 compared to 91 at PC but imho i wouldn't get the 91 at PC if they offer 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3257357)
PetroCanada website says that it now has ethanol.

yea i read that awhile ago that they have ethanol in it... up to 10% or somethign wonky.

now that i think about it i'm sort of thinking how that will store in the winter asorbing moisture and such. :eekdance:

IDZRVIT 07-15-2015 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 3257108)
The ethanol content if its < E10 is pretty negligible -- it more like any odd hiccups (random miss) might be attributed to it in the absence of a better explanation, but really its fine.

The 94 octane (assuming AKI rather than RON) is worth it if you are tuned and running a little more ignition advance or the car sees hot laps on the track -- otherwise, I doubt you'll find much of a difference in power either.

On the other hand, it certainly won't hurt -- what's the price difference compared to 91 and can you get 93?

:iagree:
At the end of the day, use whatever octane you like as long as it's premium being put into your Z. Now, if you're someone to complain about the difference in price per liter, why buy a sports car? :eekdance:

mishuko 07-15-2015 06:07 PM

Gas price was the last thing on my mind last year buying my z.

Jordo! 07-15-2015 07:25 PM

Frankly, I'm more put off by the claim of "7 times the detergents" than I am by up to 10% of ethanol...

that and their admission of marketing hype...

"In addition, 20% of all Shell consumers buy premium, but 80% of these consumers believe all premiums are the same. We launched Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium Gasoline so we could address this growing consumer demand in the industry and differentiate Shell from other premiums."

Translation: We can nail a large share of premium petrol users if we slap a fancy name on our already fancy sounding "V power" formulation.

Anyway, either is probably fine, but the higher octane if the price/gal difference is small is probably the safer bet if you beat on your car or plan to do any tuning where you might nudge up the power, in part, by leaning out the mixture and/or raising the ignition timing.

There is no evidence of the ECU advancing timing beyond whatever its highest allowable value - BUT, the higher octane will help ensure you don't lose timing from incipient knock under heavy load. If you plan on doing tuning, I'd say go for max power and tune for the 94.

cooltoy 07-15-2015 08:49 PM

Nope, staying stock.

90 ST 07-15-2015 10:29 PM

The problem I see with tuning for 94 is if you travel...you may not always find a good 94. I for one travel a LOT with my Z and kept it mostly stock-ish for that reason.

cooltoy 07-15-2015 10:55 PM

So the car needs to be tuned for it. I can't just put it in and try it?

clkio 07-16-2015 06:05 AM

I wouldn't worry about 94 or 91 on stock tune and you can fill 94 on stock tune. However, if you car is only tuned with 94, then you stuck with 94 and really the only problem with it is it's not available everywhere. When my car with stock and I tried comparing the two gas. I noticed the car lasted longer with shell 91 but I got better throttle response with 94 (got 80km less to a tank). At the end, use whatever you personally like as long as the octane rating is 91 (premium) you got to go

IDZRVIT 07-16-2015 06:18 AM

Tuning for 94 is fine if 94 is available in your area. If you travel outside your area and only 87 is available then you have two choices: a) Fill with 87 and carry on with no effect on the engine except timing will be retarded if the engine detects knock or b) tow your car to a gas station with 94. I know what I would do.

mishuko 07-16-2015 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 3258032)
The problem I see with tuning for 94 is if you travel...you may not always find a good 94. I for one travel a LOT with my Z and kept it mostly stock-ish for that reason.

had that problem on my road trip. in fact some boonie area only had 'regular or supreme'...


Quote:

Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 3258179)
Tuning for 94 is fine if 94 is available in your area. If you travel outside your area and only 87 is available then you have two choices: a) Fill with 87 and carry on with no effect on the engine except timing will be retarded if the engine detects knock or b) tow your car to a gas station with 94. I know what I would do.

i carried some octane booster on long hauls outside of major cities just to be on the safe side. last thing i want is pew pew lazors to happen inside my engine :icon17:

GaleForce 07-16-2015 09:22 AM

I had my car tuned in the US with Sunoco 93 octane. Here I use PetroCan Ultra 94. When I was in California and needed gas I switched maps to my 91 octane map and used Shell 91. If you have a custom tune get a 91 octane map. It's a piece of cake for the tuner to do.

If you're running a stock tune, you can switch between 91 and 94 octane without issue.

mishuko 07-16-2015 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 3258426)
I had my car tuned in the US with Sunoco 93 octane. Here I use PetroCan Ultra 94. When I was in California and needed gas I switched maps to my 91 octane map and used Shell 91. If you have a custom tune get a 91 octane map. It's a piece of cake for the tuner to do.

If you're running a stock tune, you can switch between 91 and 94 octane without issue.

this all the way... when i get a tune i'd definitely want to have 4maps... 91 tune, 94 tune, valet, blow engine

LMBmikeZ 07-16-2015 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3258526)
this all the way... when i get a tune i'd definitely want to have 4maps... 91 tune, 94 tune, valet, blow engine

That's how mine was tuned. :tup:

However instead of blow engine mine is mapped as a kill switch and you need to change map back to get car to start :tiphat:

90 ST 07-16-2015 08:22 PM

Case in point, AB Canada is very short on V-Power right now...found out the hard way today, good thing I still had 1/2 a tank.

cooltoy 07-16-2015 08:37 PM

Alberta is short on many things right now. Good government, jobs....., but I digress.

GaleForce 07-16-2015 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3259126)
Alberta is short on many things right now. Good government, jobs....., but I digress.

Ouch.

Edit- could be worse, you could be living in Ontario.


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