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JARblue 02-09-2016 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3408590)
I couldn't move it worth a damn, lol

Well, you're pretty scrawny, IINM.

http://s3.roosterteeth.com/images/At...4c5160c877.jpg

DEpointfive0 02-09-2016 05:06 PM

^no, I don't, lol

Zauskycop 02-09-2016 06:12 PM

Helper spring FTW...

Tracy Ramsey

Hotrodz 02-09-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3408600)

At his size you don't have to pump iron...just sayin! :D

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gomer_110 02-09-2016 07:58 PM

Here you go. The reason I suggested rotating the springs was as you can see in my pics, the spring is not compressed perfectly up and down. The thought was maybe the way the spring was compressing two of the coils were coming together.

Another thought, is there any chance your shocks are binding somewhere through their stroke? I know my shocks have a spherical upper mount to help them articulate better. Maybe yours are just sticking and the pop is when they release.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1551/...a386e7f7_z.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1708/...ac1682f7_z.jpg

By the way you owe me one now. Laying on a cold concrete floor in ~20° weather sucks.

DEpointfive0 02-10-2016 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zauskycop (Post 3408689)
Helper spring FTW...

Tracy Ramsey

I don't think you can do that for the rears

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3408821)
Here you go. The reason I suggested rotating the springs was as you can see in my pics, the spring is not compressed perfectly up and down. The thought was maybe the way the spring was compressing two of the coils were coming together.

Another thought, is there any chance your shocks are binding somewhere through their stroke? I know my shocks have a spherical upper mount to help them articulate better. Maybe yours are just sticking and the pop is when they release.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1551/...a386e7f7_z.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1708/...ac1682f7_z.jpg

By the way you owe me one now. Laying on a cold concrete floor in ~20° weather sucks.

Thank you, and please gimme your PayPal.

Mine:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0461269B15.jpg

Last night I adjusted the buckets all the way up... Still clanks like crazy

As for the strut binding, how would I know/check? (The sound is DEFINITEY) from the springs though.

DR_ 02-10-2016 11:22 AM

Did you adjust your shock height so that on full droop it doesn't unseat the spring?

sandersd 02-10-2016 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2759780)
I'm worried about something if someone can help...

I installed the spl mid links and the 6" swift 10kg springs. The car is at a ride height of 26 3/16th on both sides. I don't remember where the car sat before the install with the swift spec-r's. I know it was 26 something, I think high 26. The spl mid link is about half way to get to that height and where spl said it should be.

The issue is if I jack the car up the spring almost falls out of the bucket. If this happened it'd be a total crash or worse! So basically I have zero preload if that's what you call it. I've seen Z's on three wheels before so there is a chance the spring could pop out on a track. Not to mention the loud banging all the time as the spring pops in and out over big holes all the time beating up the upper and lower buckets.

What do I do? Buy an adjustable length shock?

Almost popping out, only one side jacked up.

What did SPL say when you contacted them with your concerns?

DEpointfive0 02-10-2016 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_ (Post 3409343)
Did you adjust your shock height so that on full droop it doesn't unseat the spring?

Ok... So...

KW V3s don't have adjustable shock heights... I'm SOL as of now I guess... I've been so busy I can only contact SPL by email after hours.

synolimit 02-11-2016 02:41 AM

Have you checked your bushing? Is the pop maybe coming from the knuckle bushing?

synolimit 02-11-2016 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sandersd (Post 3409761)
What did SPL say when you contacted them with your concerns?

They advised to run a 7" vs a 6" but then stopped when i stated that wouldnt make sence with the ride height i wanted. If 6" is dead center on the adjuster then 7" would just force me to lower the adjuster putting it not dead center but have it 1" lower unless i wanted to look like a 4x4. They agreed and i just left it. After some time the spring stayed solid even when jacking the car up. I never had issues and the car tracked perfect even tight fast autox events. Only time i thought there was a problem was when i fully unloaded the spring when jacking the car up with in first few times i did it. Idk why it got tighter over time but they did and i never had noise DE is stating.

synolimit 02-11-2016 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3407980)
Bump for a problem.

I just installed mine. When I go into any driveway I 3 wheel essentially, and you can hear the spring "pop" like it's going to pop out.

This normal?

Late to the party but i dont see how to stop it. Mine stopped getting loose over time. Maybe after a lot of autox. It gets loose because the suspensions unloaded. Only way i can think to fix is 1. Jack the car way up so the spring is always loaded when the cars off the ground but good luck with the 4x4 look or 2. Get a rear shock to keep preload on the spring when off the ground. True coils FTW

synolimit 02-11-2016 02:53 AM

Maybe my oem shocks blew or something and couldnt travel down as far after a season of racing??

DR_ 02-11-2016 09:00 AM

My BC coilovers (ER series) are not true type but have an adjustment on the stock to control the length. In this picture you can see the rear shock (one without the spring on it) has a threaded body. You adjust that so that when completely unloaded the spring does not come unseated, basically keeping a small amount of preload on it.
http://cdn3.volusion.com/x3jra.ue7am...jpg?1454592604

DEpointfive0 02-11-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3410090)
Have you checked your bushing? Is the pop maybe coming from the knuckle bushing?

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3410092)
They advised to run a 7" vs a 6" but then stopped when i stated that wouldnt make sence with the ride height i wanted. If 6" is dead center on the adjuster then 7" would just force me to lower the adjuster putting it not dead center but have it 1" lower unless i wanted to look like a 4x4. They agreed and i just left it. After some time the spring stayed solid even when jacking the car up. I never had issues and the car tracked perfect even tight fast autox events. Only time i thought there was a problem was when i fully unloaded the spring when jacking the car up with in first few times i did it. Idk why it got tighter over time but they did and i never had noise DE is stating.

I have 7" springs, but no 4x4 height. The perches are all the way up, and it's at OEM height, or close to it

I haven't checked the bushing, but nothing was out of the norm. I can hear the spring decompressing when I'm going over a bump...
I'm also at the extreme of adjustment on the arm too

DEpointfive0 02-12-2016 12:20 PM

I've put SPL through hell and back the last couple of days. There have been some oddities with my car aside from the spring sitting shítty. They're going to send me a "prototype" part to help me out in a few weeks once it's closer to actual production.

Not sure how much info they want me to keep, but... It's a good design, and so far it looks like just my car has this issue...

gomer_110 02-12-2016 02:26 PM

So your problem was all caused by the springs not sitting properly?

DEpointfive0 02-12-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3412215)
So your problem was all caused by the springs not sitting properly?

Still is. For some reason on my car the spring is like an inch off center. No good solution yet

If anyone has pics of their adjuster, I'd like to see how much it's threaded out.

synolimit 02-12-2016 08:17 PM

Well since I DIDNT f*^k the guy who clames I did who I sold my links to cause they were perfect on my car, maybe yours are 350z's? Even though I doubt that's an issue because I gave away my oem buckets to a 350z guy and he has no issue. So idk

synolimit 02-12-2016 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3410339)
I have 7" springs, but no 4x4 height. The perches are all the way up, and it's at OEM height, or close to it

I haven't checked the bushing, but nothing was out of the norm. I can hear the spring decompressing when I'm going over a bump...
I'm also at the extreme of adjustment on the arm too

I think that's a prob then. A 7" spring at oem heights probably putting it at an odd angle. You saw my pics and gomers, 6" spring with adjuster at half way and straight when compressed. You need to slam it or go 6".

gomer_110 02-12-2016 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3412528)
I think that's a prob then. A 7" spring at oem heights probably putting it at an odd angle. You saw my pics and gomers, 6" spring with adjuster at half way and straight when compressed. You need to slam it or go 6".

My springs are 7" free length.

DEpointfive0 02-12-2016 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3412526)
Well since I DIDNT f*^k the guy who clames I did who I sold my links to cause they were perfect on my car, maybe yours are 350z's? Even though I doubt that's an issue because I gave away my oem buckets to a 350z guy and he has no issue. So idk

Whathuh?

And SPL said they're the same and that I have the newest revision

OldFart 02-21-2016 03:25 PM

Really late to this one, but I called them on the same issue about the spring alignment. They said it was normal when car was jacked up, when car is down on ground it looks ok from what I can see. I'm running a 6" spring and my adjuster is in the middle, have plenty of room to go either way. Total bitch adjusting them though - the spring binds on tbe inside of the adjuster.

When the weather gets nice I have to play with my droop, any major bump I hit it sounds like I am slamming up against something with the suspension, but not seeing anything amiss.

Here is a picture of mine with the car on the ground.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...221_163437.jpg

Spooler 02-21-2016 09:22 PM

I was looking at these but man they seem to be a pain to get right.

OldFart 02-21-2016 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3419466)
I was looking at these but man they seem to be a pain to get right.

There is some trial and error. I just backed the car up on race ramps and have enough room to make adjustments without removing anything. Take it out for a spin and measure. It is a nice setup.

Spooler 02-21-2016 10:04 PM

Any benefits besides getting rid of the toe bolt cheesy crap?

OldFart 02-21-2016 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3419500)
Any benefits besides getting rid of the toe bolt cheesy crap?

For a daily driver, probably not, except for the adjustibility - and the chubby ya might get when under the car. What you have listed in your post is almost my exact setup. I can never leave well enough alone, hense my reasoning for doing it.

gomer_110 02-21-2016 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3419500)
Any benefits besides getting rid of the toe bolt cheesy crap?

Addressed a couple of pages back.

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3393201)
Suspension geometry doesn't change from stock. The advantages are that you can use more readily available 2.5" ID springs, adjust ride height (could help handling), and can adjust camber and toe with a more robust adjustment than just toe bolts.


OldFart 02-21-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3419500)
Any benefits besides getting rid of the toe bolt cheesy crap?

For a daily driver, probably not, except for the adjustibility - and the chubby ya might get when under the car. What you have listed in your post is almost my exact setup. I can never leave well enough alone, hense my reasoning for doing it.

This was prior to putting the mid links on.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...927_090307.jpg

clkio 04-20-2016 07:52 PM

Bringing this back. Anybody has more info on this? I bought the mid links and I am running coil overs but I need the 2.5 springs to get them to fit. However, I am still not too sure about height (whether to go with 6 or 7") and what spring rate? Thank you

clkio 04-21-2016 06:51 AM

I found tein springs at my buddy's shop that were 7" long and 2.5 in diameter. They fit perfect however I don't know what the spring rate is on them. I will contact SPL and neomotorsports (coilover manufacturer) and see what I can come up with

OptionZero 07-27-2016 05:11 PM

Bumping this thread. I too am experiencing the popping noise when going on ramps

Setup:
Aragosta coilovers w/ pillowball mounts
SPL arms in back: midlink, camber, traction arms
6 inch Swift spring.

Reading the responses above, it appears that adjusting the rear coilover height/length to keep pre-load on teh spring may solve the issue. The Aragosta rears are adjustable, so i'll be playing with that.

DEpointfive0 07-27-2016 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3525199)
Bumping this thread. I too am experiencing the popping noise when going on ramps

Setup:
Aragosta coilovers w/ pillowball mounts
SPL arms in back: midlink, camber, traction arms
6 inch Swift spring.

Reading the responses above, it appears that adjusting the rear coilover height/length to keep pre-load on teh spring may solve the issue. The Aragosta rears are adjustable, so i'll be playing with that.

There is no rear preload...

You need to fix your droop most likely

2SIC4U 03-10-2017 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2759780)
I'm worried about something if someone can help...

I installed the spl mid links and the 6" swift 10kg springs. The car is at a ride height of 26 3/16th on both sides. I don't remember where the car sat before the install with the swift spec-r's. I know it was 26 something, I think high 26. The spl mid link is about half way to get to that height and where spl said it should be.

The issue is if I jack the car up the spring almost falls out of the bucket. If this happened it'd be a total crash or worse! So basically I have zero preload if that's what you call it. I've seen Z's on three wheels before so there is a chance the spring could pop out on a track. Not to mention the loud banging all the time as the spring pops in and out over big holes all the time beating up the upper and lower buckets.

What do I do? Buy an adjustable length shock?

Almost popping out, only one side jacked up.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps5cf10557.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psc75c962d.jpg


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps29cbc155.jpg


You need a helper spring Swift Helper Springs to keep a load on the spring. KW provided me this information as I ran into your same issue Swift Helper Springs H65-070-008. Also you need to find a better alignment shop or if you did this yourself, you need to correctly adjust the top (there is a bolt you can adjust) to move the top spring so when the car is on the ground, the spring still stays straight up and down...vs the way yours is now at a weird angle.

2SIC4U 03-10-2017 10:52 AM

Update:

KW Variant 3 Coil-overs
Hotchkis 370z front sway bar
SPL PRO Front Upper Camber/Caster Arms
SPL PRO Front End Links Spherical
SPL Eccentric lockout kit

SPL TITANIUM Rear Mid Links
SPL TITANIUM Rear Camber Arms
Swift Springs 65mm 5inch 10k
Swift Helper Springs H65-070-008

For those that posted issues with a popping noise or noise when going over bumps. Your issue is you do not have the required helper springs so when you hit a pot hole, bump, or your tire comes off the group, there is no pressure holding your rear springs in the midlink so it's the spring moving...this can be dangerous and your rear spring could come out under the right conditions. My car now drives like it's on rails and is an amazing ride. I have it at the perfect height, no more wheel gap, not slammed, and I can come up an inch or down 2 more inches using the midlink cup.

2SIC4U 03-10-2017 11:09 AM

2010 370Z touring roadster w/sports pkg, convertible

Hotchkis 370z front sway bar
SPL PRO Front Upper Camber/Caster Arms
SPL PRO Front End Links Spherical
SPL Eccentric lockout kit


KW Variant 3 Coil-overs (don't have adjustable shock heights)
SPL TITANIUM Rear Mid Links (when set in middle it allows for another 3/4 inch drop)
SPL TITANIUM Rear Camber Arms

Swift Springs 65mm 7inch 9k (I need to go to a 6inch or 5 inch?)
Swift Helper Springs H65-070-008 (was told by KW this is needed to avoid the POPing issue so many appear to have with the midlinks, this is caused when the spring is not under load, the spring will shift, move, and is dangerous, the helper spring stays flat until it is needed but does add 2" of height.

I currently have the 7 inch spring, the 9k is perfect, stock is 7-8k, I have a convertible and wanted a slightly stiffer ride.

My issue is with the helper spring at 7 inch, my car is like a 4x4. With just the 7 inch spring the car is stock height with the midlink where spl states it should be. That said, do I go with a 5 inch spring to allow for the helper spring, or go with a 6 inch spring? It looks like so many have the popping noise issue and everyone is all over the place with their setups. Suggestions?

OptionZero 03-10-2017 01:28 PM

Actually the solution is simple, get thrust washers from Swift. Super cheap, they go between the spring and the mount and allow smooth rotation. Conpletely solved any popping

Spooler 03-10-2017 02:25 PM

I just ordered my Midlinks and 7" Swift springs today. I should be installing my suspension next weekend. I hope. I am going with 12k fronts and 10k rears.

Jeff Lepper 03-21-2017 10:43 AM

Love my SPL Parts

josemartinrea 03-22-2017 07:28 PM

Does anyone know if the HKS Hipersport IV gt coilovers work with these midlinks. Having trouble understanding the 2.5" thing


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