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Alexwallace23 10-12-2013 07:37 PM

Coilovers
 
I just purchases Stance Super Sport coilovers and I should be getting this sometime next week. I was told that this is all I need to drop my Z even though it seems like everyone on here that has coilovers also get chamber kits/control arms.

So, do I or do I not need chamber kits/control arms? I only intend to lower the height enough to close the gap between the tires and the fenders.

Zoren 370 10-12-2013 07:48 PM

Rear camber kits with toe bolts is recommended to have more adjustments of the rear camber...tires are pretty expensive :tup:

Voice59 10-12-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexwallace23 (Post 2525665)
I just purchases Stance Super Sport coilovers and I should be getting this sometime next week. I was told that this is all I need to drop my Z even though it seems like everyone on here that has coilovers also get chamber kits/control arms.

So, do I or do not need chamber kits/control arms? I only intend to lower the height enough to close the gap between the tires and the fenders.

Quote, I just picked up the Supersport +'s. I'm in the same boat you are.. I figured I'd pick up the SPC or SPL camber kit.

Amondsmack 10-12-2013 09:37 PM

Camer kits always help with tire wear. Just have to be cautious on the clearance on fenders when your doing it. Rolling may be a good idea.

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synolimit 10-13-2013 02:26 AM

It depends.

If you want factory settings and you drop the car you will 100% need camber kits. If you don't drop and leave it factory height or near factory you could get away with OEM stuff and still be in spec.

If you bought coilovers for the right reason (for what they were intended) then you will lower and be 100% out of spec. However OEM spec sucks azz as a proper setup!! You could get lucky and lower and be at a perfect setup for what coilovers were intended (kind of a race setup).

It all depends on your final goals. I will say this though...the left and right side normally never match so one way or another you will need everything so everything is even and set properly.

Z-Girl 12 10-13-2013 03:32 AM

Rear camber with toe, front control arms gave me peace of mind. Why not just do it all at once and be done if you can. Well worth every penny, my man is sitting just right.

Voice59 10-13-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12 (Post 2525889)
Rear camber with toe, front control arms gave me peace of mind. Why not just do it all at once and be done if you can. Well worth every penny, my man is sitting just right.

What are you sitting on?

Alexwallace23 10-13-2013 11:10 AM

I just spoke with a friend of mine that has a Nismo. He lowered his Z with coilovers and no chamber kits or control arms. I know the Nismo suspension components are different from the touring sports package Z, but is there that much of a difference that will make getting chamber kits an absolute necessity?

All I want to do for the time being is lower the height. I will not race the car, but I might take it on a track someday just for the experience.

roy'sz 10-13-2013 11:17 AM

If you lower the car you may want the camber kit. Not having it will effect tirewear also if its not slightly tucked and you hit a speedbump wrong you could mushroom your fenders. Thode are mostlikely the two most common needs for camber kits.

Z-Girl 12 10-13-2013 12:15 PM

:hello:
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Originally Posted by Voice59 (Post 2526067)
What are you sitting on?

Nothing special, BC BRs dialed in pretty low and spacers with stock Ray's. I just ddidn't want to take a chance and eat up my tires.

Alexwallace23 10-13-2013 12:59 PM

Did you have to get your tires tilted inward in order for them to clear the fenders when you dropped it?

I have 20mm spacers all around and I still remember you telling me to go with 25mm on the rear. I'm going to stick with the 20mm because the tires are right inline with the fenders.


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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12 (Post 2526134)
:hello:

Nothing special, BC BRs dialed in pretty low and spacers with stock Ray's. I just ddidn't want to take a chance and eat up my tires.


Alexwallace23 10-13-2013 01:07 PM

Is there a certain camber kit you would recommend?


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Originally Posted by roy'sz (Post 2526089)
If you lower the car you may want the camber kit. Not having it will effect tirewear also if its not slightly tucked and you hit a speedbump wrong you could mushroom your fenders. Thode are mostlikely the two most common needs for camber kits.


roy'sz 10-13-2013 01:33 PM

I got kinetix. I have fronts only and have close to 33k and love em. The stock bushings were shot at 22k lol. They are greasable bushings which I like. I think they are a solid setup. I cant speak on the rears but im sure they are great. Z1motorsports sells the front and rear as a set also.

Voice59 10-13-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12 (Post 2526134)
:hello:

Nothing special, BC BRs dialed in pretty low and spacers with stock Ray's. I just ddidn't want to take a chance and eat up my tires.

Hmm...ok. I purchased the Supersport + and I think I'm gonna go with a cup kit for problem areas. I'm still researching if I'm going to need a camber kit with that.

Alexwallace23 10-13-2013 03:08 PM

My friend that recommend the Stance to me insists that I do not need chambering kits because the Super Sports have chamber plates installed. I'm assuming the + would also have this. So I'm going to go ahead and install just the coilovers sometime next week. Afterwards, I will get an alignment and if I run into any issues because of the stock suspension components then I will look into chamber kits. I will give an update after it's done.



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Originally Posted by Voice59 (Post 2526191)
Hmm...ok. I purchased the Supersport + and I think I'm gonna go with a cup kit for problem areas. I'm still researching if I'm going to need a camber kit with that.


Z-Girl 12 10-13-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexwallace23 (Post 2526158)
Did you have to get your tires tilted inward in order for them to clear the fenders when you dropped it?

I have 20mm spacers all around and I still remember you telling me to go with 25mm on the rear. I'm going to stick with the 20mm because the tires are right inline with the fenders.

20/25mm and no problems or fabrications needed. after initial setup my fronts were rubber the fender on turns but I had it dialed in as low as possible. after a few days had it raised and fenders are all in tact. i wanted the tires to stick out slightly so 20/25 was just right for what I was looking like.:tiphat:

1087 10-13-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alexwallace23 (Post 2526247)
my friend that recommend the stance to me insists that i do not need chambering kits because the super sports have chamber plates installed. I'm assuming the + would also have this. So i'm going to go ahead and install just the coilovers sometime next week. Afterwards, i will get an alignment and if i run into any issues because of the stock suspension components then i will look into chamber kits. I will give an update after it's done.

camber and toe kit are necessary if you are going to lower the car.

Alexwallace23 02-02-2014 10:53 PM

So I finally installed the coilovers and my friend that said that I would not need camber kits was wrong and all of you here are right. I did get Kinetics rear camber and traction kit just to be on the safe side and I am now about to buy a camber kit for the front since Stance only makes the front coilovers with built in camber plate for vehicles with McPherson type suspension. Yes I should have been able to figure this out prior to installing the coilovers but the same friend said it had the front camber plate.

The shop that did the install pretty much set it to the lowest. It did look great but I scraped the mid section of the exhaust pipe really hard while going into my own garage. So I had to raise it up about an inch. Once I get the front camber kit I will do another alignment and I should be able to get everything back to spec.

RICAN 02-03-2014 01:35 AM

pics!!....i want to see how low your car is!!

Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 04:47 AM

You can look at my photo album to see it on the alignment lift. It's not the best pic but you can somewhat see how low it was. I will post pics showing the current height soon.



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Originally Posted by RICAN (Post 2676915)
pics!!....i want to see how low your car is!!


RICAN 02-03-2014 05:34 AM

ok thanks!!

synolimit 02-03-2014 06:54 AM

Jesus Christ, -5.0 rear? Shoot your friend.

Chuck33079 02-03-2014 06:58 AM

I'd say it's about time to stop listening to that friend as far as car mods go.

Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 08:06 AM

The rear has a camber kit. The guy that did the alignment said that's the best he could do with it being so low. I should be able to get everything in the green with the next alignment.



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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2677014)
Jesus Christ, -5.0 rear? Shoot your friend.


Chuck33079 02-03-2014 08:09 AM

Wait- you have camber arms installed in the rear and can only get -5.0?

Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 08:09 AM

Done.



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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2677015)
I'd say it's about time to stop listening to that friend as far as car mods go.


Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 08:15 AM

Yes. The tires would have been right up against the fenders if the guy tried to get closer to zero. Does this not sound right to you? Should I find another shop to do my alignment?


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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2677068)
Wait- you have camber arms installed in the rear and can only get -5.0?


Chuck33079 02-03-2014 08:18 AM

Are you running aftermarket wheels and tires? If you're on stock wheels and tires and he can't get the alignment right with camber arms and toe bolts installed, I'd try another place.

Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 08:29 AM

I have stock wheels and tires. I also have 20mm spacers installed. I'm sure the camber would have been better if they were off.



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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2677076)
Are you running aftermarket wheels and tires? If you're on stock wheels and tires and he can't get the alignment right with camber arms and toe bolts installed, I'd try another place.




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Chuck33079 02-03-2014 08:32 AM

I can't see those spacers making that big of a difference in camber. I'd go try another alignment shop.

Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 08:36 AM

Ok. Once I get the front camber kit I will try another shop.




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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2677083)
I can't see those spacers making that big of a difference in camber. I'd go try another alignment shop.




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Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 07:58 PM

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I posted two pics in my photo album.



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Originally Posted by RICAN (Post 2676915)
pics!!....i want to see how low your car is!!


kenchan 02-03-2014 08:54 PM

rear looks too low. like a signature tanabe boat look.

Alexwallace23 02-03-2014 09:54 PM

Thanks Kenchan. I like the way the rear looks but I can't set the front at the same height because it will rub against the wheel well. There is a half of an inch difference between the rear and the front but I will get rid of the boat look this weekend.



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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2678043)
rear looks too low. like a signature tanabe boat look.


kenchan 02-04-2014 10:21 AM

it could be your picture, but yah, the rear could go up another 1/4" or so. unless you run like 19x11's or 19x11.5's and make it super flush with dumbarse camber, it might loook okay. car will run like shitt though.

Highway 02-04-2014 11:07 AM

I'm confused I guess. I have Stance coilovers on mine plus the 20mm spacers and really wished I had gone with the 25 cause I still have space and mine are back to factory specs using the Stance toe and camber arms.

Mine are setup even all the way around...

http://www.the370z.com/members/highw...er-carwash.jpg

Alexwallace23 02-04-2014 01:19 PM

How low are you? I was pretty much at the lowest setting and the tires were barely clearing the fender. Then again it could be the guy that did the alignment did not know what he was doing. Once I raise the back and get the front camber kit I will do another alignment at a different shop. I should be able to get to factory specs at the new height.



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Originally Posted by Highway (Post 2678791)
I'm confused I guess. I have Stance coilovers on mine plus the 20mm spacers and really wished I had gone with the 25 cause I still have space and mine are back to factory specs using the Stance toe and camber arms.

Mine are setup even all the way around...

http://www.the370z.com/members/highw...er-carwash.jpg


Highway 02-04-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexwallace23 (Post 2679000)
How low are you? I was pretty much at the lowest setting and the tires were barely clearing the fender. Then again it could be the guy that did the alignment did not know what he was doing. Once I raise the back and get the front camber kit I will do another alignment at a different shop. I should be able to get to factory specs at the new height.

Mine measures 26" from ground to the top of the fender opening...dead center both front and rear. The fronts are as low as I want them and just adjusted the rears to be even. I still have the occasional issue with rubbing over a hard bump on the front tires.

Alexwallace23 02-04-2014 06:23 PM

I am also at 26" in the rear right now with a lot more room than what I had when it was lower. The height was between 24½"-25" when the shop installed the coil overs.

What is your front damper set to?



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Originally Posted by Highway (Post 2679320)
Mine measures 26" from ground to the top of the fender opening...dead center both front and rear. The fronts are as low as I want them and just adjusted the rears to be even. I still have the occasional issue with rubbing over a hard bump on the front tires.


Highway 02-05-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexwallace23 (Post 2679435)
I am also at 26" in the rear right now with a lot more room than what I had when it was lower. The height was between 24½"-25" when the shop installed the coil overs.

What is your front damper set to?

Don't know the exact, but had to make them pretty stiff so they wouldn't rub.

Also had to cut the little nub inside the wheel well and then bend the clip that is underneath it to help with the rubbing.


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