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ubs234 09-30-2013 03:57 PM

So confusing from reading other posts!!!
 
I want to buy swift springs for my 370z. I want to be in factory specs everywhere. Will I need to buy a front and rear camber kit? What is the advantage of it? Do tires wear out faster if I lower the car?

DEpointfive0 09-30-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510619)
I want to buy swift springs for my 370z. I want to be in factory specs everywhere. Will I need to buy a front and rear camber kit? What is the advantage of it? Do tires wear out faster if I lower the car?

Lowering increases camber, wearing your tires out faster.


You will "need" a rear camber kit, and best bet is to get some rear toe bolts. The front won't be too far out of whack and can be adjusted to within factory specs

ubs234 09-30-2013 05:37 PM

Is this it?
SPC Rear Camber/ Toe Arm Kit 370Z, G35, G37 | KamiSpeed.com

Chuck33079 09-30-2013 05:55 PM

I did front and rear. Z1 has a really good package deal.

ubs234 09-30-2013 06:16 PM

Do you have to do front? I mean I will do rear for sure. If I don't do front will my tires wear out a lot faster?

Chuck33079 09-30-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510815)
Do you have to do front? I mean I will do rear for sure. If I don't do front will my tires wear out a lot faster?

It depends on your alignment results. My fronts and rears were both slightly out, so I did both. It's a lot cheaper than burning through a set of tires. If your alignment is in spec, then don't bother.

ubs234 09-30-2013 06:27 PM

So if My alignment comes back perfect then I don't need to buy any camber kit?

DEpointfive0 09-30-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510826)
So if My alignment comes back perfect then I don't need to buy any camber kit?

Yeah, but the rear is almost a given

ubs234 09-30-2013 06:52 PM

Alright last question. So If I buy the rear camber kit with toe bolts and get an alignment after installation I should be good to go? worry free right?

370Zsteve 09-30-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510764)

That is what I used. :tiphat:

Also SPC adjustable front arms.

370Zsteve 09-30-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510855)
Alright last question. So If I buy the rear camber kit with toe bolts and get an alignment after installation I should be good to go? worry free right?

Get the front kit, too.

Chuck33079 09-30-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510855)
Alright last question. So If I buy the rear camber kit with toe bolts and get an alignment after installation I should be good to go? worry free right?

If you just do the rear and get an alignment, you may find out you need to do the front too. If you're paying for each alignment, it can add up. If you're paying labor on springs, might as well do all the arms and minimize labor costs.

ubs234 09-30-2013 07:41 PM

Damn lowering is pricey. Thanks for the information guys

Chuck33079 09-30-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510923)
Damn lowering is pricey. Thanks for the information guys

Doing it right is still a lot cheaper than buying new tires every 5k miles because you can't get your alignment in spec.

ubs234 09-30-2013 08:10 PM

Well I don't understand why i need camber kits at all actually. They are just springs for daily driving. And If I get alignment done after i install springs shouldnt i be good?

roy'sz 09-30-2013 08:11 PM

Kinetix 370Z / G37 Adjustable Camber Package

This is what you need.

Chuck33079 09-30-2013 08:12 PM

If you lower the car, you probably won't be able to get the alignment in spec due to the changed suspension geometry. The factory arms don't have enough adjustment in them.

roy'sz 09-30-2013 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2510966)
Well I don't understand why i need camber kits at all actually. They are just springs for daily driving. And If I get alignment done after i install springs shouldnt i be good?

No you may chase some camber gain. I had that problem with eibachs on a different car. As your car settles into the springs the camber angle changes more negative. You dont have any adjustment in the front and the rear is most likely already close to max. You need these to keep the car within the specs or a setting which promotes even tire wear.

Hotrodz 09-30-2013 09:02 PM

You are changing the geometry of the car from its original setup by lowering it. I'm lowered on Tiens and only got rear camber arms and toe bolts. I didn't need any adjustment up front. Good luck!

ubs234 10-01-2013 12:01 AM

Someone was saying spc camber arms break.

roy'sz 10-01-2013 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2511198)
Someone was saying spc camber arms break.

I heard that a while back as well. I have also hear of them slipping as well. I've personally had the kinetix for 50k and they haven't failed on me yet. I only have fronts so I can't speak for the rears.

Chuck33079 10-01-2013 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2511198)
Someone was saying spc camber arms break.

If you're going to use them for heavy track use, SPC isn't strong enough. It's more than enough for a street car.

Tazicon 10-01-2013 08:52 AM

I didn't see the other posts and for some reason it won't let me delete this post.

ubs234 10-01-2013 07:54 PM

So Kinetix or SPC!? lol

roy'sz 10-01-2013 08:06 PM

Kinetix. Your setting will never "slip." Worth the money imho.

axmea? 10-01-2013 09:21 PM

I had an aggressive drop with H&R's and did not need fronts, only for the rears. Don't fall for the SPC breaks crap - that's with lots of track use. For daily use, that brand is fine. Good lluck with your choice.

DEpointfive0 10-01-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 2512291)
I had an aggressive drop with H&R's and did not need fronts, only for the rears. Don't fall for the SPC breaks crap - that's with lots of track use. For daily use, that brand is fine. Good lluck with your choice.

...John@Z1 needs to return my SPCs and sell me Kinetix...

I remember asking him about SPCs being shítty... He said we have them on our track car without any issues and that he wouldn't sell me crap... Hmmmmm...

roy'sz 10-01-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2512297)
...John@Z1 needs to return my SPCs and sell me Kinetix...

I remember asking him about SPCs being shítty... He said we have them on our track car without any issues and that he wouldn't sell me crap... Hmmmmm...

Ive loved mine. Only issue I had was the upper ball joint was a little dry causing a slight popping sound.....but a little bit of chasis lube cleared that up. :-)

Easy to install also.

DEpointfive0 10-01-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz (Post 2512356)
Ive loved mine. Only issue I had was the upper ball joint was a little dry causing a slight popping sound.....but a little bit of chasis lube cleared that up. :-)

Easy to install also.

I only got a rear set. And if it's as strong as OEM, I'm not too worried

axmea? 10-01-2013 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2512297)
...John@Z1 needs to return my SPCs and sell me Kinetix...

I remember asking him about SPCs being shítty. He said we have them on our track car without any issues and that he wouldn't sell me crap... Hmmmmm...

Lol. I meant what I said in a positive way. People fall for that one line or one story not acknowledging how much use some of these had in the track (some will eventually fail) and not consider how successful the brand is. All it takes is one bad story and the reputation of the brand is toast.

DEpointfive0 10-01-2013 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 2512415)
Lol. I meant what I said in a positive way. People fall for that one line or one story not acknowledging how much use some of these had in the track (some will eventually fail) and not consider how successful the brand is. All it takes is one bad story and the reputation of the brand is toast.

Ohhhhhhh, I read your comment wrong, lol

And yeah for sure I agree

zguynate 10-02-2013 11:45 PM

You WILL need rear camber arms and toe bolts to get back into factory spec. No way around that.

I had SPC arms on my 350z. I drifted into a curb being a moron and did some good damage to the suspension. The SPC arm didn't break. It actually bent, which is expected when you hit a curb sideways. I wouldnt be afraid of the SPC arms breaking at all. I have SPL on my 370. It is by far the best quality suspension arm I have laid my hands on. It feels nice and beefy when you hold it. It has a different style of locking so that your settings don't change when tightening the locking collars. Def worth the money.

ubs234 10-03-2013 12:58 AM

SO i pretty much just need rear camber arm and toe bolts to be good with swift springs?

DEpointfive0 10-03-2013 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2514185)
SO i pretty much just need rear camber arm and toe bolts to be good with swift springs?

At LEAST.

ubs234 10-03-2013 02:49 AM

What do you have DEpointfive0?

DEpointfive0 10-03-2013 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2514203)
What do you have DEpointfive0?

SPC rear camber and toe bolts. Not lowered, just sagged suspension, lol
I just hate killing tires so quickly

ubs234 10-03-2013 03:07 AM

So If I lower my car on swifts and have rear camber and toe bolts, my tires will still wear out faster? like I do daily driving, mostly on streets and about 30 miles a day. I usually want my tires to last 13-15k miles.

DEpointfive0 10-03-2013 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2514206)
So If I lower my car on swifts and have rear camber and toe bolts, my tires will still wear out faster? like I do daily driving, mostly on streets and about 30 miles a day. I usually want my tires to last 13-15k miles.

The front has adjustability, the rear doesn't, that's why you should get camber arms and toe bolts.
Personally, I don't think you need more if you're just on Swifts. Any half decent alignment shop should be able to get it within factory specs on all 4 wheels.


That is just my 2 cents. If you have the extra money for the front set, yeah, I guess it's better to be safe than sorry, and you'll have much more adjustability overall, but for a DD car, I think it'll be overkill

ubs234 10-03-2013 03:35 AM

Im jus gonna get the rear! thanks for your help for the gajillionth time lol.

DEpointfive0 10-03-2013 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2514220)
Im jus gonna get the rear! thanks for your help for the gajillionth time lol.

Noooooo problem, just don't kill me if after you need the front set, lol

(I still HIGHLY doubt it)


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