i know the kw's perform better, thats not what i was asking. i was just asking if the stock suspension on the z was a similar (being coilovers) design as the kw's. i have now got my awnser.

is the sport package suspension on the 370z actually any stiffer than the model without sport package? it seems many people get this confused, even reviewers say it is, but i dont think it is? is it?

Suspension is the same with or without the sport package.

What was Nissan thinking on this one ???

$$$$$ maybe.......

Give me the suspension option at least. Ahhh ! They saved it for the NISMO Z and charged an extra $5,000 for it plus an extra $1,000 for some body molding. The tune cost nothing for Nissan.

Wankers !!!

this is the front suspension on a 350Z

http://www.z1auto.com/images/nissan-350z-design-05.jpg

A 370Z is the same for all intents and purposes (things are differently shaped but the design concept is the same

this is the rear suspension on the 350Z

http://www.z1auto.com/images/nissan-...suspension.jpg

Again, the 370Z maintains this type of setup

ok, so it looks like the main difference in the front suspension between the 350 and 370z is the 350z is a single wishbone and 370z is double wishbone?? u say they are basically the same, but i hear that the 370z is actually a large improvemnet in the front suspension compared to the 350. i have read many reviews that state this.

350z's have a double wishbone front suspension as well, as shown in the above diagrams. Upper and lower control arms (lower being split into 2 pieces so it has multiple pivot points). The overall layout vs the 370z is very similar. Changes were made to packaging since the wheel base is different, and thus the parts need to fit into different spaces, but the general layout is very much the same

ummm, according to every single reviewer, including nissans webside, the 350z does not have a wishbone suspension. only multi link, which is why in every review they made a big deal on how much of a improvement the 370z's suspension was. heres a quote comming from mike kojima himself, "The front suspension is greatly improved over the 350Z. It is a simple unequal length "A" arm designed with forged aluminum links, looking like a close relative of the parts on the R35 Skyline GT-R. In fact it would not surprise us at all if all of the FM2 chassis share many of the same parts. The all important suspension geometry looks to be properly done with decent lengths of the upper and lower links for reduced scrub and bump steer with a relatively aggressive negative gain camber curve to help keep the tire tread flat on the road under roll."

heres another quote from a reviewer that states the 350z does not have a double wishbone, "That is made possible by the new double-wishbone front suspension that replaces the lower multi-link setup in the 350Z and uses lighter forged aluminum arms, a lightweight rigid aluminum-alloy cradle, a lighter, link stabilizer bar with a 35% improved lever ratio, and new high-response shock absorbers. The new 3-piece strut tower brace stiffens and quickens the front’s response."

A 350Z has upper wishbones, and lower wishbones..the lower being split into 2 separate arms, the compression arm and the transverse link. Hence multi link AND double wishbone are both accurate descriptions of what the car has. A 370Z is similar, but does not have the split lower link, instead it is just 1 piece.

Nissan 350Z Sport Compact Car Magazine

http://image.modified.com/f/15584252...san16_zoom.jpg

http://image.modified.com/f/15584255...san17_zoom.jpg

2003 Nissan 350Z Review Summary - Motor Trend

Z vs. Z: Grassroots Motorsports Magazine Articles

then i guess all those reviewers didnt know what they were talking about. why then does the 370z handle noticably better than the 350z, are the small changes done to the 370z's suspension all for the benefit?

The last bone stock 350z I have driven was 6 years ago when I took mine home, so I can't answer that.

"handles better" is a function of lots of things, it's too general of a statement to really be meaningful, and I think it's getting a bit off topic from what the thread is about :)

When the sponsors who happen to own shops that do nothing but make cars perform better tell you something without them saying oh hey buy my w/e, SHUT UP AND LISTEN THEN STOP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. Who gives a fart what it's called it involves a spring, a shock, some aluminum bits shaped like arms, and anytime you improve a piece of it it's going to handle better unless it says nismo on it because they failed on the 370z(rare for them).

I'll say it again because you're going to ask again, Coilovers literaly means having the coil over the shock absober. In the aftermarket and suspension world it refers to an adjustable unit that contains a spring on a shock most often used for racing and lowering.

Your sentra had coilovers too technically. They were arranged as a macpherson strut which just means that the shock body was used as the upper suspension link thats all.

You are stuck thinking that "double wishbone" involves arms shaped like turkey bones. True this is normally what the term double wishbone references like on an s2000. The 370z stuff does not again fit the literal use of the term but it is (proof enough is that Nissan hasn't been sued for saying it). The lower arm is questionable in my opinion to me it looks like a fancy version of the one off my old beretta, but that is only because the wheel is at least twice as large as the one on the beretta so the arm had to be squished a little on the sides into a wierd shape but it's still a whishbone.

The front on a 350z is a multi-link setup in a wishbone configuration. the reason it handles worse is complex as the 370 is lighter, has a lower center of gravity, wider, the tires are wider, the wheelbase is shorter, and all of that affects handling so if you want to find out whats better or worse why don't you go out and buy a 350z and shove 370z suspension into it somehow and then you'll have your answer.

The KW's are amazing stuff simply because they work so well with the rest of the car and cost way more than the nissan stuff(production cost as I'm sure nissan will still rape for the stock stuff) so more features and quality can be added to them. Would you pay an extra $9,000 for the car if nissan developed and gave you damptronic stuff for it? Hell no thats why stock stuff is simple.

why do you say nismo failed on the 370z?

why does it matter to u? thats his opinion.

why did i read most of this..:confused: