Plus the price difference can sway many members decisions quickly away from the swifts. Especially with our wonderful economy :)

I like the H&R.
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My take on it is that the springs are going to be on the car for the life of me owning it anyways, so what is another 50-100 dollars. We own a 370Z. I dont think the price difference is enough to sway from one brand to another. I do agree though the drop on the H&R looks good too.

In my opinion these two brands are in separate categories. I believe Swift springs are for those who are looking for more of an improvement in handling but aren't interested in purchasing coilovers. In other words the price of the springs is not just for the drop but for the amount of research and development placed into the creation of both springs. If you want to look good on a budget, go with the H&Rs...but if you want to track on a budget go with the Swifts.

You should share where you got your pricing on the Swift springs if they are only $50-100 bucks more than the H&R. I was only able to find them for a little over $400. I paid 230 shipped for my H&R springs.

I understand the performance part on the swift springs, but it can't be that great just throwing them on a factory strut? I am sure one of these days there will be aftermarket shocks and struts, but once that happens people who want the most performance will buy both and then be sitting next to coilover prices with half the adjustments.

Performance wise there is a significant difference. These springs were designed around the valving range of the stock struts. Of course aftermarket performance struts would only improve the setup considering it would do so even with the stock springs.
And 400 is pretty much MSRP.
Swift Spec-R Springs 370Z 08+
They are selling it for 335, and Im sure the price can still be haggled from there.

Good points. Thanks for the link. I am sure others will find it very helpful. That price is way better than the one I found. :tiphat:

Here are some more things to consider: the drop is too great in the front for the H&R's. You need front camber arms for that which will significantly increase your costs. So the price of the Swift looks more attractive when you don't have to buy a front camber kit! I paid $360 shipped for my set from Kami Speed. Yes they cost more than the H&R springs. But they are a better spring. And whats $50-$100 more for a much better product?

My front camber is -1.77 and -1.92, which I don't think is too much. I've driven 5k miles and haven't noticed any inner wear but I don't expect any tire wear to be noticeable until around 12k miles, if at all. A non lowered z's oem tires should last at least 20k.

As far as h&r and swift springs, I really believe you need the entire kit, springs and struts that are designed as one to get a performance boost. I really don't see much benefit from just springs. And I don't know if people are aware that H&R springs are made in Germany and not Taiwan, not saying swifts are made there.

I got mine for $335 shipped from Kami-speed which I think is a very fair deal. One more week until install!

The Swift springs are amazing, MUCH better ride than the stock springs, I was shocked. The drop isn't aggressive but looks good, there is little to no body roll and the harsh bumps I often encounter on some bad roads near me feel more absorbed. I would recommend these springs to anyone considering an upgrade without going coils.

Not a great picture but:

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So is everyone running swifts have any camber issues without running the front control arms?

I just can't wrap my head around how a spring with stiffer spring rates can not only perform better than stock springs, but also ride better. When driving the car in a spirited manner, does it feel more controlled when going through corners with bumps or undulations in the pavement?

I guess I will have to see myself next week!

I don't know how to explain it other than the way they describe how they are built (cold-formed, custom material, fewer coils) the springs are a progressive/linear combo, not just either one or the other. The result is stock like ride over uneven surfaces but flat in the corners.

**** roads just seem to not feel as bad as the stock setup did. You can definitely feel the ride is stiffer going over large bumps, but it's not harsh at all. This is how it should feel from the factory, you will not regret buying these.

The debate continues...

Very much appreciated, it would be great if the car felt firmer through undulations especially when pushing the car. I know I won't regret it!

That is a swift's mistery. They just perform that way. At first I thought the spring rates that they claimed were off, so I have dynoed some of their springs, and their claimed rates were right on the dot, so I still dont know why they give that feel.

btw... I tested the coilover springs.

After reading thru this thread and the review thread for the Swifts, i'm almost ready to purchase them. My curiosity though, for those of you with the Swifts, you say body roll is much less, my plan was to also do a Stillen Sway Bar, do any of you also have a sway bar? Or are the springs really that good, and is it not necessary to do the sway bar too?

I have swift springs and stillen sways. The sway bars alone noticeably reduced roll, with the springs there is now very little. A good combo for street/auto-x, I plan on doing some track sessions next spring.

thanks for the input. yeah it's going to be street driving, my Z is mostly a weekend driver. I placed order for Stillen Sway Bar last nite.

Did you put it on??

I want to know your feedback on it. Pictures too!

Not yet, they are getting installed next wednesday unfortunately even thought it can't come soon enough. I will be posting my review though, I always get carried away with pictures so you will get plenty of those too!

I've seen this question and am curious myself... if you get the swift springs will you need a camber kit? I really don't want to deal with camber issues and uneven wear on tires.

A few guys said they did not need camber arms with Swift springs and were able to get camber back within factory specifications. I am counting on that being true since I didn't get any camber arms haha.

Ok, so once the swift springs are installed you should be able to just get an alignment done to get back or close to factory settings right?.

Also does anyone else have the Fast Intentions exhaust with Swift Springs? Any scraping? This is the true deal breaker for me

I actually didn't even think to try, just assumed I couldn't get it back to stock and picked up some SPC arms, im gonna try without the arms first this saturday.

Yes I got mine back to OEM specs, though the fronts are not adjustible at all, rears are and I got mine to -1.9.

I have it and I have not scraped once. But then again I am not dropped as much as H&R or Coilovers so that is no surprise.

Thanks TJ, guess I'm buying some swift springs this winter in anticipation for spring time :driving:

I have the Fast Intentions exhaust and have been contemplating on the H&R's for a while now. I prefer the stance of the H&R springs compared to everything else, but I just don't know if I will be scraping EVERYTIME I drive. Does anyone have pics of their FI exhaust + H&R/Swift springs in the rear? I'm pretty much dead set on the H&R's, but I just don't want to regret getting those after putting them on and scraping every time I hit a bump on the road or something. Thanks.

Jonathan

I have the fi exhaust with swift springs. I've on scraped the bottom of the canister once, but it was on a huge speedbump. I haven't had any other issue since. If you know how to drive a lowered car, you'll be fine

On the road, I have not noticed any additional scraping on the little front plastic flaps in front of the front wheels but I definitely scrape those flaps on stuff I did not previously. I could care less though as they are replaceable and they are the only things that scrape.

O so you finally got them installed. how do you like them Chrstian?

They are absolutely perfect, I honestly could not have asked for more out of them. Here is my full review of them:

And a picture of how they look completely settled:

That's a really good detailed review. I knew you would like them though. LOL.
Cars looking good. Yeah I think they did a really good job on these springs. Once again Thumbs up to Swift for this. I've driven several lowered Z's and every time I do I am extremely happy with what I have.

I need to go to the track again soon.

Hey by the way you should re-post your review here
http://www.the370z.com/brakes-suspen...roduction.html
or the other Swift review page. Maybe we can get a sticky going or something.

nice! the difference between the actual springs are crazy. the swift look MUCH beefier.

OT: i was watching your video in your sig...you should really turn off X band on your radar detector, no point in california

I will definitely post there after I come back from dinner, I think these springs feel better with speed!

X band is annoying especially because it goes off for most of the false readings, I need to read the instructions and do that then. I was amazed at the difference in build between the stock and Swift springs, really goes to show the OEM compromises.

lol X band is almost completely unused in the USA now. you should definitely turn it off as it's impeding detection of the more critical bands...like Ka. what detector do you have?

The Beltronics RX65, I love it so far but it would be great to turn off X band for sure. Most of the times I have picked up real detector signals, it has read Ka and K band because I believe California Highway Patrol use Ka almost exclusively.

As I posted earlier, I've only scraped once on the mufflers. Sorry, but these are the only pics I have from the rear; one at the car wash, one at Import Face Off

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I measured the lowest part of the muffler a few minutes ago. It sits about 3.75 to 4 inches from the ground

The pics look great! So far, I'm lookin at the H&R's just because I'm on a really tight budget, plus I love how aggressive the stance is, but would the FI cans scrape every time I drive? The drop that Swift offers look really good, but if I can drop it a little more, I would. Ideas?

So for buyers of both springs, dead coils up or down?