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ZForce 04-27-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BG40thZ (Post 1077947)
I made a post over in the DIY section and have read this entire thread. I am getting ready to install mine this weekened. Does anyone know what the torque specs are for the various bolts that will be removed??

You should be able to download the Field Service Manual that is on this forum. It's very usefull and will have all your torque specs.

Edit: Here is the link to the FSM http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-o...-download.html

tsolin01 04-27-2011 11:54 PM

When people say you're within spec on swift springs with no camber kit, it's more like you're maxing out on the spec. If you want to be at nominal spec, (-.67 front, -1.67 rear) then there's no doubt you will need a front and rear camber kit.

Will running slightly out of range camber have significant effects on your tire wear? I'm not convinced that's true.

BG40thZ 04-28-2011 12:30 AM

Thanks for the link! And I'll be sure to post some before and after photos in here

ZForce 04-28-2011 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tsolin01 (Post 1078014)
When people say you're within spec on swift springs with no camber kit, it's more like you're maxing out on the spec. If you want to be at nominal spec, (-.67 front, -1.67 rear) then there's no doubt you will need a front and rear camber kit.

Will running slightly out of range camber have significant effects on your tire wear? I'm not convinced that's true.

Well stated ...I agree :tiphat:

As far as running slightly out of camber ranger and having significant effects on your tire wear? Only time will tell as I am going to test it and fingers crossed you are right.

I am probably going to be on the max side of spec with a new set of RE-11's and will be hoping to get a good 25k off these tires that are rated for 10-12k miles.

At this point in time I cannot afford $500 + install fees to bring the fronts into nominal spec range. The old saying goes "pay me now or pay me later" and dammed if I don't shell out the extra $$ for upper control arms as they are much cheaper than buying a new set of tires. So I will be in the damn'd that I did not boat. Hopefully not though!

ZForce 04-28-2011 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BG40thZ (Post 1078052)
Thanks for the link! And I'll be sure to post some before and after photos in here

No problem, the table of contents is buried and once you find it, you may want to re-label the file to something like: QUICK_REFERENCE_INDEX_TOC

It makes it alot easier when you have to refer to it in 6 months.

Yes, please do post pics.

christian370z 04-28-2011 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tsolin01 (Post 1078014)
When people say you're within spec on swift springs with no camber kit, it's more like you're maxing out on the spec. If you want to be at nominal spec, (-.67 front, -1.67 rear) then there's no doubt you will need a front and rear camber kit.

Will running slightly out of range camber have significant effects on your tire wear? I'm not convinced that's true.

If you are running at max stock specs, tire wear will not be too much different than stock. Now, if you go -3 or more, then you will most certainly experience significant additional tire wear.

Also, some additional negative camber helps handling performance substantially both in feel and turn in. Stock camber is suited for long tire life, not performance.

ZForce 04-28-2011 01:33 AM

^ Good to know. I am pleased with the performance I get by staying within a -0.3 difference between Fr -1.3 & Rr -1.0. This setup has provided performance and reasonable tire life at 26k miles. I may try a new setup this time around, more on the performance side, any suggestions?

ZForce 04-28-2011 02:02 AM

I very rarely ever post pics. So here are some initial pics, springs had only been on for 1 day with 50 miles on them.

My setup as follows: Sport rims rolling on stock size tires Fr 245/40/19 & Rr 275/35/19 with wheel spacers @ 20mm Fr & 25mm Rr on Swift springs.

Unsettled springs at 26.75" Fr & 27.00" Rr (measured from ground to fender).


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tsolin01 04-28-2011 11:56 AM

Looks good :tup: My drop seems even in the front but the passenger side rear is almost half an inch higher than the driver side. Not sure what could cause that? Anyone else have this issue? I think someone earlier in the thread had the whole passenger side slightly higher but seems to have settled for them. I've had the springs 2 weeks with over 600 miles driven so should be settled already...

christian370z 04-28-2011 06:04 PM

My passenger side is also slightly higher, but not by half an inch. We are honored to view your rare photogasm Zforce! Looks awesome, I am strongly considering moving up to 25mm spacers in the rear.

ZForce 04-28-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1048090)
Baer I did about 25miles today on the springs. Rear wheel gap is gone but the front is still there. There's like 1.5 - 2 inches between the tire and the fender. Is it supposed to be like that? From the pics I've seen I'm guessing (hoping) they will settle more

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 1048096)
I just measured mine ,and it's pretty low I have .75in all the way around.You may want to check your control arms. Did you load the suspension when you tightened everything up?

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1048615)
Crap I didn't. So, take the wheels off, loosen the camber arm bolts, raise the susp with a floor jack and then tighten the camber arm bolts. Right? How much should I raise it, until shock and spring are fully compressed?

From previous posts #385, bringing forward to discuss. I have about 170 miles on the springs now on day 6 and they have NOT settled anymore from when I had 75 miles on them. Still have 1.5 gap on three corners AND I also have the rear passenger side ON BOTH Z's at 1.75 gap. I see a pattern here with both of our 370Z's and others stating the same.

I cannot see mine dropping to what Baer383 has (above) at .75 gap on all four corners.

Can anyone confirm if they followed the same install "load the suspension when you tightened everything up" as Baer383 did? And actually what does he mean by loading up the suspension?

Is what Ron suggested (above) be our solution? I did not do my own install and my installer said he did not mess with the upper control arm bolts.

This still only addresses the the overall jacked up height on our cars BUT NOT the .25 higher gap on the rear passenger side.

Up for discussion.

ZForce 04-28-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tsolin01 (Post 1078749)
Looks good :tup: ...

Thanks man, wish I had your wheels.

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1079374)
My passenger side is also slightly higher, but not by half an inch. We are honored to view your rare photogasm Zforce! Looks awesome, I am strongly considering moving up to 25mm spacers in the rear.

Thanks, I pic whored a bit last night, not the best background but will do for this thread. I will try to get a few more pics with the OEM tires before they get swapped for some paws with more meat on Sat.

ZForce 04-29-2011 01:26 PM

Well I am not sure on this 1.5 gap still, so I am heading over to the dealership to have them check my installers work on the spring install and try to determind the cause for this high gap.

tjlazer 04-29-2011 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsolin01 (Post 1078014)
When people say you're within spec on swift springs with no camber kit, it's more like you're maxing out on the spec. If you want to be at nominal spec, (-.67 front, -1.67 rear) then there's no doubt you will need a front and rear camber kit.

Will running slightly out of range camber have significant effects on your tire wear? I'm not convinced that's true.

Correct. I am at -1.4 front and -1.9 rears and was told that was in spec. Is that the same as when stock? NO. Do I care? Nope. If I did care I would spend the ~$500 on camber kits! A little more negative camber is not bad, especially on the Z.

Tires are fine so far, 6K miles on them. :ughdance:

tsolin01 04-29-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 1080528)
Well I am not sure on this 1.5 gap still, so I am heading over to the dealership to have them check my installers work on the spring install and try to determind the cause for this high gap.

So what's the measurement from your fender to the ground through the center of the wheel? Stock height is supposed to be 27.87 in front, 27.99 in rear.


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