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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks Read this thread, there's pros and cons to everything. http://www.the370z.com/brakes-suspen...ap-racing.html Sounds like another BBK thread... Go with AP if you can afford it..Im going with 6

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Old 04-06-2010, 08:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Read this thread, there's pros and cons to everything.

BBK Comparison thread: Brembo vs. StopTech vs. AP Racing

Sounds like another BBK thread...

Go with AP if you can afford it..Im going with 6 pot Front Brembos as I wont be track racing and occasional x-cross only and ordering rear lines and slotted rotors as well as matching Ferrodo brake pads to match the front as much as I can..
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Thank you very much for sharing.

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Thavee,

Most experienced tuners and builders wont make a recommendation unless they know what you are trying to accomplish, and what other modifications or changes have been made to your vehicle.

If you care to share your intentions with your car, and offer some insight into your driving style, maybe with some feedback on your experience with other vehicles in the past, I can definitely get you on the right track.

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Thavee,

Most experienced tuners and builders wont make a recommendation unless they know what you are trying to accomplish, and what other modifications or changes have been made to your vehicle.

If you care to share your intentions with your car, and offer some insight into your driving style, maybe with some feedback on your experience with other vehicles in the past, I can definitely get you on the right track.

Hello Mr. Gary,

The car is just for street/highway driving. I go fast some time but never beyond 250km/h. I just need a good braking system only during that time.

I had AP6-Front/AP4-rear on my BMW e90 325. The car goes from 200km to 0km impressively.

When talking to friends in BMW club, some said stoptech, and some said brembo. This is a kind of confusing.

I just got a 370z couple of weeks ago, and with 3xx HP, Factory sport brake is no good to me.

I am looking for the brake system that
1. has excellence stopping power even when it is repeatedly used for a certain period of time. let say, 10 mins. (no track day)
2. not bother me the change the brake pad every 5000km, assuming 20000km per set is fine to me.
3. disc should last for about 50000km (two sets of brake pad then change one set of disc is ok)
4. affordable, for example, reasonable prices of the replacement parts
5. available when the parts are needed


Thanks for your advice.
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I found brakes as Alliance.
They have same design but only without label.

See PhatBoy Brake Kits

Who make these brakes?
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I found brakes as Alliance.
They have same design but only without label.

See PhatBoy Brake Kits

Who make these brakes?
We get approached by this company (and others) often. Some of their emails are downright amusing. I won't name names here, but anyone who is willing to order at least 10 car sets can get their company logo on the caliper in any color they want.

Here are just a few reasons why we haven't jumped on these:
  • No heritage.
  • Little or no racing experience.
  • Minimal testing (if any).
  • Lack of raw material control.
  • Lack of process control -- it is easy to buy a TS16949 cert in China or Taiwan (about US$800).
  • Questionable hardware (at best).
  • Uncertain how long they will be in business.
  • Unclear how stable pricing will be.
There are more, but why bother? Some of us have been doing this for decades. I won't spend 1 minute messing with junk. There are several respectable options on the market. Sure, they cost a little more. But, hey, these are B-R-A-K-E-S --> the primary safety system in any automobile.

Anyone can choose to take their chances, but please don't drive around me or my family if you are experimenting with unproven equipment! I might consider to try some non-essential items, but I would be crazy to mess with anything less than the best when it comes to something as important as brakes.

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We get approached by this company (and others) often. Some of their emails are downright amusing. I won't name names here, but anyone who is willing to order at least 10 car sets can get their company logo on the caliper in any color they want.

Here are just a few reasons why we haven't jumped on these:
  • No heritage.
  • Little or no racing experience.
  • Minimal testing (if any).
  • Lack of raw material control.
  • Lack of process control -- it is easy to buy a TS16949 cert in China or Taiwan (about US$800).
  • Questionable hardware (at best).
  • Uncertain how long they will be in business.
  • Unclear how stable pricing will be.
There are more, but why bother? Some of us have been doing this for decades. I won't spend 1 minute messing with junk. There are several respectable options on the market. Sure, they cost a little more. But, hey, these are B-R-A-K-E-S --> the primary safety system in any automobile.

Anyone can choose to take their chances, but please don't drive around me or my family if you are experimenting with unproven equipment! I might consider to try some non-essential items, but I would be crazy to mess with anything less than the best when it comes to something as important as brakes.

Chris
I think I have to correct you there sir..... Phatboy Brakes is my company and I can tell you categorically that I have never approached yourself or any other companies offering to put your logo on my calipers if you buy 10 sets. Seems like you're working for a rival brake manufacturer trying to put customers off my products, if that's the case the chances are that your brakes are also made in Taiwan, as D2, XYZ, Stoptech, and most other large performance brake brands are. Infact most of them are actually made in the same factory that produces my brakes.

In regards to the lack of testing and inferior materials being used to manufacture such brakes, would you like to divulge to what you are basing such accusations on? I'd love to see you back these claims up. Take a look at my feedback:

eBay UK Shop - Phat Boy Performance Brakes: Brake kits, Calipers, Discs
100% positive feedback so far, so seems like people who have actually bought my brakes and have something to base their opinion on are pleased with the product. Anyway, check out my wesite for cheaper prices than e-bay:

PhatBoy Brake Kits

Many thanks

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I had AP6-Front/AP4-rear on my BMW e90 325. The car goes from 200km to 0km impressively.
AP has several options to consider for the 370Z as well (and more coming!). As you probably know, no one knows about getting more performance from the Z and G vehicle lines better than Stillen/AP Racing. There are quite a few forum vendors that can help you choose the right one for your budget.

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The AP Racing does pretty well for high speed highway driving, however it doesn't seem to like heavy rain. Takes an extra second to sweep the rotors before you get full braking power. I think this will be less of a problem on wet track where you can build up a little heat, but on the highway it was a little disconcerting.
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AP 6+4 here! Love them
going to the track next week @ L.V.
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The AP Racing does pretty well for high speed highway driving, however it doesn't seem to like heavy rain. Takes an extra second to sweep the rotors before you get full braking power. I think this will be less of a problem on wet track where you can build up a little heat, but on the highway it was a little disconcerting.
I've noticed the same thing in every car I've ever driven in heavy rain with either OE brakes or with upgrades. It may possibly happen more with a BBK as many require splash shield removal or modification, but I have not noticed much difference. It is always good practice to test the pedal before it is needed when there is a lot of water on the road.

This is why several Mercedes-Benz models (and probably others) have a feature that occasionally induces brake system pressure when the windshield wipers are on. Doing this allows the pads to "rub off" the water on the rotors every now and then to help keep them dry.

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