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shadow85 04-02-2020 01:27 AM

Hard Race brand any good?
 
Anyone know if the hard race brand is any good?

They are available locally to me in Australia. I would get SPL but they have to be imported from the US. I don't think anything will be come down from there anytime soon and also the conversion from AUD to USD has also taken a huge hit.

So until the currecny gets better, I was planning on getting Hard Race suspension parts. But I cannot find any review on them.

Anyone have thoughts on them here?

NorthStyle 04-02-2020 06:39 AM

You may be able to find reviews of their parts on the UK forums. They're not widely used in the States from my experience.

JARblue 04-02-2020 07:04 AM

Get SPL. They are a known quantity.

shadow85 04-02-2020 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3920623)
Get SPL. They are a known quantity.

Yeah I was hoping there was a easier alternative for me because I am in Australia. Like I said, atm the dollar is shiitt house and nothing would ship here from there anyway.

So I am probably going to have to wait until the currency value goes back up and then I can get SPL.

shadow85 04-02-2020 08:02 AM

I just stumbled upon the Nismo front upper arms.

https://conceptzperformance.com/nism...z4_p_37713.php

Are they anywhere near as good as SPL?

My friend works at Nissan parts specialist, and can get lots of Nismo parts directly from Japan for cheap. If those ones are good I could get him to get them.

EDIT: OK upon more investigation, it seems the Nismo version are the exact same as the SPL brand? That is amazing if it is, my friend should be able to get them from Nissan at much cheaper price than me shipping it from the states.

OptionZero 04-02-2020 09:16 AM

The nismo ones are made by SPL, just with different colors and higher price tag

Rusty 04-02-2020 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3920671)
The nismo ones are made by SPL, just with different colors and higher price tag

:iagree:

OptionZero 04-02-2020 11:48 AM

I mean just look:

Nismo
https://conceptzperformance.com/nism...z4_p_37713.php

SPL
https://www.splparts.com/products/fr...-370z-g37.html

There is an outright statement somewhere i just can't find it

But if you have a nismo hookup that can you the Nismo version shipped to you cheaper, thats pretty awesome, they DO look like hotness. Silver-red >>> black-blue

If i had money to set on fire i'd swap out my SPL stuff for new Nismo versions

shadow85 04-02-2020 01:45 PM

Mad!!

This would save me heaps! Because SPL will cost shitloads for me to import from US, privately. If my mate gets Nismo version from his business, it will surely be much cheaper. Going to ask him today.

OptionZero 04-02-2020 01:54 PM

Good for SPL landing a contract or whatever working agreement or license

Basically sold their design to a big company

I wonder if SPL is still manufacturing them FOR nismo, or if Nismo is building them in Japan (would make no sense to me)

it would be hilarious if Nismo had to ship them from SPL in Texas to Japan to Australia for less than SPL would charge to just . . . ship them to Australia from Texas

Also, is this Nismo USA? Is there even a Nismo USA? I am also amused that Nismo Japan is contracting with a texas company to sell these in 2020 for a car that came out over 10 years ago.

How has Nismo not built their own arms for this car?

What do Nismo race cars, like the RC version they sold years ago use for camber/caster adjustment? Those cars are stripped, caged, with monobloc brembos. I can't find a picture of their suspension setup

EDIT:
found this pic

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/yl...6-10-20111.jpg

. . . is that a nonadjustable arm on a goddamn race car? or only adjustable at the top balljoint?

DaveZ03 04-02-2020 02:14 PM

Post #13
https://my350z.com/forum/autocross-r...-rc-drool.html

Quick Info: From post #13 from the above link
There are two: optioned as below or a stripper without suspension etc.
SUSPENSION

Shock absorbers OHLINS- adjustable height DFV 1WAY NISMO RC
Fr Springs SWIFT, springs rate: 20.0kgf/mm
(18.0kgf/mm & 22.0kgf/mm spring rates available on demand)
Rr Springs Manufactured by NISMO for the NISMO RC, spring rate: 20.0 kgf/mm
(18.0kgf/mm & 22.0kgf/mm spring rates available on demand)
Link & bushes NISSAN Genuine Part
Front ARB Manufactured by NISMO for the NISMO RC φ34.0
(φ28.0 and φ31.8 available on demand)
Rear ARB NISSAN Genuine Part

Rusty 04-02-2020 02:58 PM

My understanding is that SPL makes the parts. All parts get shipped from SPL. Here in the states. No matter who you order from. The parts are shipped from SPL.

shadow85 04-02-2020 05:22 PM

So when did SPL start making parts for Nismo?

Is this a new thing? What year models did the Nismo 370Z start coming out with these SPL goodies?

JARblue 04-02-2020 05:38 PM

They aren't equipped from the factory.

OptionZero 04-02-2020 05:47 PM

I think this started in 2018, and was revealed at Z-Days or one of the big national Z conventions where Nismo USA actually shows up

and as said above, these are NOT FACTORY EQUIPPED PARTS. They're aftermarket parts produced by SPL, licensed by Nismo, sold through whatever distributor that eventually gets them from SPL

It appears that because these are now "Nismo" branded there is a Nissan part #

From the Z1 listing, it LOOKS like a nissan part # to me, but i could be wrong:
https://www.z1motorsports.com/suspen...s-p-13401.html

In theory any Nissan dealer with access to nismo parts can order them, but i dunno what sort of limitations that a region's Nissan/Nismo puts on distribution

Also, SPL isn't the only place to get SPL (even if parts ultimately come from their warehouse).
There's other vendors that MAY be offering a better price to ship to you if they have a sale or whatever hookup on your end

and have you looked HERE:
https://www.splparts.com/dealers/

It's a list of dealers that includes 5 australian companies (i didn't check each link, thats on you)

Rusty 04-02-2020 07:22 PM

Z1 showed the parts at ZDayZ in 2018. Some of the Nismo parts were $75 higher than what SPL listed for their brand.

shadow85 04-02-2020 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3920821)
and have you looked HERE:
https://www.splparts.com/dealers/

It's a list of dealers that includes 5 australian companies (i didn't check each link, thats on you)


That must have been recent that they supply to Australian dealers now. Because I spoke with SPL this time last year and they said they don't have Australian distributors but they were looking into it.


Thanks dude, imma check them out now because my friend told me he can't find those Nismo parts in his inventory. Then he told me has only limited access to Nismo parts ;(

OptionZero 04-02-2020 08:00 PM

i wonder if those SPL-made parts are only available through Nismo's USA network

AlWakRa 04-02-2020 09:38 PM

I have Hardrace parts on my race car, it is popular within Honda community and they manufacture parts for k-tuned and maybe some others.

Anyway, SPL is proved on our platform and I have all parts (except solid arm bushes) on my z. It has easier adjustability and they lock the alignment pretty well, I saw a new spc arm with better design compared to their older one but it seems nobody got them as the price tag is very close to spl.

shadow85 04-02-2020 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3920861)
I saw a new spc arm with better design compared to their older one but it seems nobody got them as the price tag is very close to spl.

Where is this new SPC arm?

I can't seem to find it.

OptionZero 04-02-2020 10:15 PM

Don’t bother

Just buy the fuckin spl and be done with it

OptionZero 04-02-2020 11:40 PM

Folks gotta stop giving this dude alternatives it isn’t helping

shadow85 04-03-2020 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3920895)
Don’t bother

Just buy the fuckin spl and be done with it

Yup, getting a few quotes already.

JARblue 04-03-2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3920921)
Folks gotta stop giving this dude alternatives it isn’t helping

I think he should go with the stock arms and be done with it :ugh:

Rusty 04-03-2020 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3920921)
Folks gotta stop giving this dude alternatives it isn’t helping

He should try and find a set of Doren arms. :rofl2:

Spooler 04-03-2020 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3920880)
Where is this new SPC arm?

I can't seem to find it.

You don't want them, they are junk.

shadow85 04-03-2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3921016)
He should try and find a set of Doren arms. :rofl2:

Where do I get them?
They any good?

cv129 04-03-2020 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3921143)
Where do I get them?
They any good?

Search for Doran Racing.

They fabricated FUCA for their own race car, sold maybe a few sets for some members here. It was before SPL ever made FUCA for our car.

And Doran arms were significantly more expense than the SPL arms.

OptionZero 04-03-2020 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3921143)
Where do I get them?
They any good?

this is so on brand

OptionZero 04-03-2020 06:27 PM

special eco-friendly version of the SPL arms

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon...._AC_SX425_.jpg

shadow85 04-03-2020 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3921161)
special eco-friendly version of the SPL arms

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon...._AC_SX425_.jpg

How much are these ones?

I want to try them

OptionZero 04-03-2020 08:57 PM

you're in australia

there's probably plenty of random wilderness where you can find these

shadow85 04-03-2020 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3921188)
you're in australia

there's probably plenty of random wilderness where you can find these

How does Voodoo13 compare to SPL?

I can get them via eBay for much cheaper than SPL/Nismo over here.

Rusty 04-03-2020 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3921145)
Search for Doran Racing.

They fabricated FUCA for their own race car, sold maybe a few sets for some members here. It was before SPL ever made FUCA for our car.

And Doran arms were significantly more expense than the SPL arms.

They're totally bomb proof. Only had camber adjustment. Right after they came out. The SPL's came out. The SPL's was a little cheaper in price. But a lot easier to adjust.

Rusty 04-03-2020 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3921189)
How does Voodoo13 compare to SPL?

I can get them via eBay for much cheaper than SPL/Nismo over here.

They are close to being equal. Share the same easy of adjustment. You can adjust either of these on the car. Where the other ones. You have to remove the arm for adjustment.

Here, the Voodoo's are $836.00 list. The SPL's are $999.00 list. Damn, did they go up in price. I got mine for a little over $700.00 a couple of years ago.

https://voodoo13usa.com/shop/09-370z...r-caster-arms/

https://www.splparts.com/products/fr...-370z-g37.html

OptionZero 04-03-2020 10:59 PM

According to this listing:
https://conceptzperformance.com/vood...00_p_27943.php

Voodoo only offers -2 degree of added adjustment range

In contrast SPL offers -4.8. Double the range

And Z1 has them for $899
https://www.z1motorsports.com/suspen...37-p-7360.html

FRSport has them for $799
https://frsport.com/spl-spl-fua-z34-...iABEgJwNfD_BwE

SPL might be jacking the price up to protect its distributors i guess

Rusty 04-03-2020 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3921212)
According to this listing:
https://conceptzperformance.com/vood...00_p_27943.php

Voodoo only offers -2 degree of added adjustment range

In contrast SPL offers -4.8. Double the range

And Z1 has them for $899
https://www.z1motorsports.com/suspen...37-p-7360.html

FRSport has them for $799
https://frsport.com/spl-spl-fua-z34-...iABEgJwNfD_BwE

SPL might be jacking the price up to protect its distributors i guess

I just did a quick search on them. I got mine from 3 Corner.

shadow85 04-04-2020 01:46 AM

Ah frs price is not bad, now if only the USD would get back up to atleast 70c for 1 AUD, then I would jump onit rite away.

BGTV8 04-04-2020 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3921237)
Ah frs price is not bad, now if only the USD would get back up to atleast 70c for 1 AUD, then I would jump onit rite away.

That isn't going to happen anytime soon, that's for sure

ChocSoldier 04-04-2020 04:18 AM

I've got Hardrace FUCA and rear camber arms, so far they've been good.

Design-wise the SPL would probably be easier to adjust up front, but doesn't really matter unless you're the one doing it.


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