Z1 front adjustable camber arms
 

Hello,

I just noticed that Z1 now has adjustable upper front control arms,I dont know how new this is but i just found out and having issues with front camber adjustment after swift springs i'm interested.

https://www.z1motorsports.com/suspen...ms-p-8534.html

Anyone have experience with this product
Also looked at their installation manual and didn't fully understand how they adjust. I see the threads at the chassis mounting point but wouldn't adjusting that require to unbolt that piece? While alignment would make that very inconvenient right? what am i missing here.
Thanks

:happydance: Awesome news! They look great and knowing Z1 they are well built. I will most likely get a set. And the price...! :tup: Z1

Thats what i thinking!

but no one has experience with them? did u get how they adjust besides the ends that bolt on to the chasis?

Going to need something for my G. Hopefully someone tries these out first. I'm done with being guinea pig. :)

I feel pretty good about them based on Z1's rep. I have a lot of their stuff on my Z, not a problem with anything, and their customer service is great. I'll be going with the race version, my car doesn't see the street very much, mostly track. Maybe I'll be first, it will be a couple weeks...
Adjustment... It looks to me that the points that connect to the chassis are the caster adjustment and would have to be spun to adjust. You would most likely be able to figure that out before install. The other single end would be your camber adjustment. It's not very hard to un-bolt and spin this part. Best part about the way they adjust is they won't slip. Once you get them set it would only be toe adjustment for re-alignment in the future.
I am really stoked to see Z1 make these. I'm running the OEM ones now. I had a set of AMS that didn't work out, bushings too soft. Don't want SPC, and don't really wanna pay $800 for SPL that I hear seem to loosen easily on their own. Nothing against SPL, I have their stuff and it's great. I would have bought SPL A-arms at some point, just would feel like I had to check them all the time.
...And for $300 :tup: Z1

Got this from Z1 via FB:

If I didn't already have the SPL arms (and didn't want the caster adjustment), I would be all over these. Look like a good improvement over the SPC arms. As others said, I would trust Z1 based on previous reputation.

I've got over 2,000 miles and a bunch of track days on my SPL arms. And they're still tight. Where did you hear about the SPL arms loosing up?

I'm going to pull the trigger and order these.
I'm tired of my front camber being . 5 off side to side and not being to do anything about it. It's eating up my right to Inside ire too. It's got - 1.8 camber.

Anyone have a proven sport daily alignment specs? Or shoukd I just stick to oem specs? I don't track it (i have a other car for that) but i do drive aggressively

Thanks

Did you order and install them?

Just pulled the trigger on a set of these. Putting faith in Z1's rep. for quality parts.

Recently swapped out Swift springs for KW v3's and have new 265/305 RE-11's coming soon.

Write a review if you find the time. It'd be nice to know how they really are

Sure thing but, it's gonna be a bit before I can get everything installed with work and whatnot.

These are going on my DD. Likely won't see any track time but, I do some 'spirited' driving in the twisties above L.A.

Forgot to ask, which version did you get? Street or race?

Street

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I don't see them being any better than SPC, probably fine for street use. No way in hell would I run those on track.

So, when the Z1 guys say..."Yes these are completely from our design and built a little heavier than the Kinetix. We have been testing development designs for over 2 years with no problems. Our test cars do see fairly aggressive abuse jumping curbing at quite a few tracks and Russell's street driving is also a bit over the top. I would say I have more faith in these arms than any other part on the market."

You don't believe them?

I have the SPC (installed by previous owner) and I don't feel great about the camber adjustment design. I am looking forward to your experience, as I could swap to these (and sell the SPC's) when I do my springs.

I was thinking the same thing.

Just bought
 

I recently bought these my self should have them installed this Weekend.

I have Z1's Track Front Control Arms for a little over a month now. I don't know how they are different from the Street but it might be an adjustability thing. The build and quality is very good.

When I went in for an allignment it was quite a headache but it still went okay. Had to call Jon at Z1 to give me and the allignment guy a little bit of help. To adjust camber we had to lift the front end up enough to get the joint off and extend/contract it. Caster can only be adjusted by removing the control arm and manually adjusting it. Luckily enough I actually somehow got the caster at my desired spot of 8.0 degrees. The camber was a bit fiddly but still got it to -3.0.

But the overall nice thing about them is that from there camber and caster are pretty much set until you adjust it down the road. I can rip them all I want on the track yet it will stay at exactly my specifications.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5744/...331625f6_b.jpg20151208_144742_Richtone(HDR) by datsunpride, on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5709/...20175c17_b.jpg20151208_165138 by datsunpride, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/613/2...b178e3c8_b.jpg20151208_173008 by datsunpride, on Flickr



I have one track day on them already and I have no issues and they are solid. I have another one coming up on the 23rd and I could update everyone accordingly

No and it has nothing to so with the parts guy on the phone, it has everything to do with the physical design of a loaded in shear bolt. It's a structurally inferior design to a loaded in compression design like the SPL's. Having seen SPC's snap at the track and causing thousands of dollars worth of damage to a car, I would not run a front camber arm from any mfgr with that physical design period. Even if +30 dollars says they are AOK.


Edit: Although looking at the pics above, it does look like that is loaded in compression, is the "track" upgrade a different attachment to the spindle? If so then I would definitely consider them. And if so they they really should show both pics in their ad.

I will be installing mine this evening we will see what the alignment shop has to say about adjusting them. Hope its obvious for them, I will bring the install instructions along in case.

Do you have the street version? Mind attaching a picture? I am curious

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Only other picture I have of the race version arms

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b87226ccee.jpg

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Found another

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0beaa7e675.jpg

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Good Job "oscargarza88"!
I just purchased mine too, these are the best priced front camber control arms I have seen and they appear to have a good design. I too am tired of eating up the inside on all 4 tires only to have their outside tread almost new, (uhg). But to be honest originally when I had my alignment done (after) lowering the (Z) AND adding wider tires in rear (305's) & fronts (265's) I suspected doing that would cause tires to get chewed up because as we know the (Z) already has several degree camber from factory so when we lower the car and add fatter tires it can only make the need for adjustable camber (front & rear) a requirement. BUT that being said, after I got my alignment after lowering spring and wider tires the tech showed me he was able to get the camber to only a few degrees shy of neutral position ie: 0-degree's so when we looked at it it was not bad at all, in fact the tires front and rear were very close to looking flat on the ground but being close to being flat won't work and that was my own wishful thinking. I knew eventually I was gonna get the front and rear camber kits but one thing leads to another and only after 6,000 miles I ate up my beautiful new Hankook 265/305 set when the camber had only been out by a couple degrees. Anyway, lesson learned so now I am looking forward to add these and the rear kit too then drive what i have left off these then install new kit, get the new tires and finally another alignment.

Plus having my 20mm rear spacers are also counterproductive to my camber goals so I hope these new kits get me very close to neutral zero degrees. Well wait, if I am at zero then tire will sit perfectly flat and that is a problem because since the spacers are pushing the rears outward now they don't sit I side the fender well so I will have a rubbing issue. Hmmmm, I like my spacers, and I want zero degrees on my camber, but something gotta give, after I decide what I did I will post some pic ok.

Question for DatsunFTW or anyone who who's. Is the Alignment tech forced to remove the front end to I stall front camber arms? That could be an issue for me. I have the Stillen front bumper they refer to it as their "facia" anyway over time some of the clip which hold it on have been damaged and I know the tech won't know how certain things are gently being held together and I could risk them breaking it completely and I don't want to be out a front Stillen bumper as that would run a lot after paint and labor. Hmmmm, I love our custom cars but at some point I am gonna get tired of all the little hidden gotcha's you know?


Well I look forward to your updates and how the rest of you felt about the install of the new arms and how smoothly it went for you.

[QUOTE=370z1;3387856Question for DatsunFTW or anyone who who's. Is the Alignment tech forced to remove the front end to I stall front camber arms? That could be an issue for me. I have the Stillen front bumper they refer to it as their "facia" anyway over time some of the clip which hold it on have been damaged and I know the tech won't know how certain things are gently being held together and I could risk them breaking it completely and I don't want to be out a front Stillen bumper as that would run a lot after paint and labor. Hmmmm, I love our custom cars but at some point I am gonna get tired of all the little hidden gotcha's you know?.[/QUOTE]

Looking at the install instructions here https://www.z1motorsports.com/upload...trolArmSet.pdf

No, you do not need to remove the front facia to install the Z1 FUCA's

Have mine installed had alignment yesterday.
So far I like them a lot . Alignment was expensive since they have to take them off for adjustment, they ended up having to do that three time till I was happy with the numbers.
Swift springs, SPL rear camber arms and SPC toe bolts and Z1 upper control arms to get it right after springs.
The shop doing my alignment liked the build quality of the Z1 control arms. Said they were a quality product.

Street or track version? I'm curious about the streets since I've only seen my own track version.

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Street version for me
 

I installed the street version since they use Urethane bushings and not the solid the race version have.
Less noise and vibration transfer and fully rebuild able.
I understand you can change them from one to the other just have to buy them other type.

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:eek: I don't like the sound of that.

The SPL arms. You don't have to do that with. You can adjust camber and caster on the car at the same time without taking nothing off. Loosen up the pitch bolts on the adjusters. Use a socket and a long extension. Go in to the adjusters from over the top of the tire. Make your adjustment. Done.:tup:

I contacted Z1 about this. Here's their reply,

I understand your concern. If you have Z1 arms or any other arms on the market and the average shop is doing an alignment, they may take more time or have to repeat some steps. A performance alignment shop should not have this issue, however, caster adjustment is not often on the control arms as it is a benefit when looking for the most adjustment possible, this can add to the process. Most performance alignment shops are used to working on advanced street cars, track cars and racecars, the work involved should be more less then what they normally see.

Alignment shops should adjust all arms as needed. It is part of the alignment to align and adjust any and all arms. Some basic shops may not need to make as many adjustments as you would find on a modified car. This is where the performance shops come into play. The arm will only need to be removed if adjusting for caster, adjusting camber is easy but the front tires would need to be removed. This will go for any camber/control arm on the market for the front.

Regarding the install of our arms, most qualified shops should be able to install and adjust these parts in 1-2 moves. If not I would probably be looking for another alignment shop.

Regarding removal single Camber on the street arms can be adjusted without removing the whole arm, similar to a Kinetix design the outer joint only has to be un bolted from the knuckle and spun to make the adjustment. This is the most common adjustment on street arms.

I plan on taking my car to Precision Z here in SoCal.
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I don't think they'll have any issues with these.

I purchased the z1 arms as well. Please keep us posted.

The Z1 arms are nice. But not as friendly to adjust as the SPL arms. ;)

For your reading enjoyment. Lots of pictures.

http://www.the370z.com/brakes-suspen...uspension.html

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There's no denying the SPL's are superior, just more than I need for the street.

Wanted to report I have had a ball joint failure on drivers side. Luckly I was slowing down for stop sign and was almost at a stop hit a small bump and SNAP!