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charnathan 12-18-2016 01:09 PM

Tablet Integration Poll (Updated Images)
 
Hey Guys,

I've been working on a tablet integration design for my Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 8".

Just wondering if anyone would be interested in it if I were to provide a page in the marketplace?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1U...=w1920-h941-rw

with a double din set-up:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/h-...yWs=w1920-h941

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/y5...=w1920-h941-rw

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/5i...=w1920-h941-rw





The parts will be 3D Printed.

As of right now, there is no price and this is still a WIP because I still need to make a design mechanism to give functionality to the power and volume buttons (will be physical buttons on the lower portion of the tablet holder). Also, I am trying to source local vendors to help out adding alcantara around the front face plate. If anyone likes the naked design, I can keep it "As printed"

ChaseZ 12-18-2016 06:11 PM

Would be interested if mini4 compatible, but also compatible with regular double din head units, not just nav models.

charnathan 12-18-2016 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3591325)
Would be interested if mini4 compatible, but also compatible with regular double din head units, not just nav models.

So you want to place it where the double din/standard radio units are placed?

ChaseZ 12-18-2016 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by charnathan (Post 3591327)
So you want to place it where the double din/standard radio units are placed?

No, I mean the bottom curvature would be a bit different between the two setups wouldn't it?

charnathan 12-18-2016 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3591330)
No, I mean the bottom curvature would be a bit different between the two setups wouldn't it?

No. In fact, I'm putting in a double din next month and already ordered the metra face plate.

here's some pictures:

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psbrhmyv8j.jpg

Here is a close-up of the curvature on the metra face plate and my current 14 radio

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...pscnhzyepf.jpg

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psrc0ddcef.jpg

Wonka2581 12-19-2016 12:42 AM

Count me in!! I sent you a PM.

Tenny 12-19-2016 07:47 AM

If this would also work for Nexus 7, definitely would be in.

JARblue 12-19-2016 07:57 AM

Interested. Would be nice if it were compatible with a variety of tablets if possible.

I don't want to have to push a button to turn on the device - it should power on with the car. I'm also concerned how good/bad the buttons will look, but I'll reserve judgment until some form of mock up is presented.

ChaseZ 12-19-2016 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3591519)
Interested. Would be nice if it were compatible with a variety of tablets if possible.

I don't want to have to push a button to turn on the device - it should power on with the car. I'm also concerned how good/bad the buttons will look, but I'll reserve judgment until some form of mock up is presented.

That clamp design seems it would have the potential of being at least adaptable to some different tablets.

The power on bit would be dependant on your tablet wouldn't it? I'm only familiar with iOS stuff but it does cycle the screen when it is plugged into power so as long as it is unlocked it should turn on. The "always on" option would probably have to be selected as well so it doesn't go back to sleep with inactivity.

What would be real nice but probably impossible is if it would automatically turn on dashcommand when it starts. That's the biggest reason to have the display for me, but I can't see it happening without doing it manually. And I don't think HP Tuners has a standalone 370z program without running ProEFI so that's out too. Srill, its be nice to have the DC app, and the GoPro app too. Both already work on my head unit via CarPlay but this would be easier.

Regardless, it's nice to see someone that has a bezel that could forward with.

charnathan 12-19-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3591519)
Interested. Would be nice if it were compatible with a variety of tablets if possible.

I don't want to have to push a button to turn on the device - it should power on with the car. I'm also concerned how good/bad the buttons will look, but I'll reserve judgment until some form of mock up is presented.



The issue is that I do not own every tablet, so it'll have to be to a specific few, unless someone is willing to send me their tablet to get dimensions off of (or PM me the specifics I would need to make it work). If you look at my current set-up, the top and bottom edges at the tablet or almost flush with the actual display portion of the screen. The sides are wider to accommodate the fingerprint reader/home, back, and recent apps button (on an iPad mini 4, it would be for the one button). It would cost more as I would have to take time to make sure all of the changes work properly on my current 3D model.

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3591543)
That clamp design seems it would have the potential of being at least adaptable to some different tablets.

The power on bit would be dependant on your tablet wouldn't it? I'm only familiar with iOS stuff but it does cycle the screen when it is plugged into power so as long as it is unlocked it should turn on. The "always on" option would probably have to be selected as well so it doesn't go back to sleep with inactivity.

What would be real nice but probably impossible is if it would automatically turn on dashcommand when it starts. That's the biggest reason to have the display for me, but I can't see it happening without doing it manually. And I don't think HP Tuners has a standalone 370z program without running ProEFI so that's out too. Srill, its be nice to have the DC app, and the GoPro app too. Both already work on my head unit via CarPlay but this would be easier.

Regardless, it's nice to see someone that has a bezel that could forward with.



Yeah, the Power/Volume set-up would be dependent upon each tablet, but not hard to implement. The thought process for those buttons is for when I am out of town for a week and the tablet goes dead. Tablet take a while. I have thought of just buying a separate power bank in those events.

As far auto-starting a specific app, you'll have to figure that out on your own, as this is only a tablet integration housing. If you had an android tablet, I'm sure there is a ROM or aftermarket app that could solve that issue.

Tenny 12-19-2016 12:42 PM

I have the Nexus 7, and there's a kernel (Timur's Kernel if you want to search/read more) you can put on it that will have it turn on automatically when it receives power (Car turns on) and then when power goes away (Car turns off) it will shut down and go into a deep sleep mode and can last for a pretty long time. Unless it bricks, you'll never have to use any of the buttons and it can be a fixed installation.

I have the tablet all set up for installation into my car, I just have been trying to find the best way to mount it and also wire it as well. I would certainly try this out if you were to sell it.

JARblue 12-19-2016 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenny (Post 3591659)
Unless it bricks ...

Or the internal battery cable is jostled loose during a bumpy car ride and you have to take the whole back off the device to reconnect it :shakes head:

Tenny 12-19-2016 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3591697)
Or the internal battery cable is jostled loose during a bumpy car ride and you have to take the whole back off the device to reconnect it :shakes head:

You're not wrong! Though I've not read the cable jostling loose being an issue with most of the tablet installation threads I've read. Mainly occasional freezing that requires resetting. I've seen some people have a small button that acts as the power button to let you reset it without removing the tablet itself.

I think my ideal set up have to be able to easily remove the tablet for updating, or modifying the set up. A company is/was selling a float mount kit that holds the tablet in place using magnets. These were super expensive if I remember right...pay to play i suppose. I think I'd sacrifice some flexibility to get a better price point.

Here's a link to a video of the float mount kit. I believe the one for the Nexus 7 is discontinued, but offered for Ipad mini and air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhL1Zuacz2w

charnathan 12-19-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3591697)
Or the internal battery cable is jostled loose during a bumpy car ride and you have to take the whole back off the device to reconnect it :shakes head:



I just bought a right angle USB Type B cable, so it should minimize the cable being jostled loosely. In fact, you can't fit a straight USB Type B because the A/C vent would interfere.

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Originally Posted by Tenny (Post 3591716)
You're not wrong! Though I've not read the cable jostling loose being an issue with most of the tablet installation threads I've read. Mainly occasional freezing that requires resetting. I've seen some people have a small button that acts as the power button to let you reset it without removing the tablet itself.

I think my ideal set up have to be able to easily remove the tablet for updating, or modifying the set up. A company is/was selling a float mount kit that holds the tablet in place using magnets. These were super expensive if I remember right...pay to play i suppose. I think I'd sacrifice some flexibility to get a better price point.

Here's a link to a video of the float mount kit. I believe the one for the Nexus 7 is discontinued, but offered for Ipad mini and air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhL1Zuacz2w



I used to have a 2013 Nexus 7, but it broke, so I got the Tab S2 8". The USB is connected to the cigarette lighter in the passenger well, so you could still connect it to a laptop or Tablet PC to incorporate any updates to it. I did that after I put in my SD card. I wanted to add more files, so I just plugged in through there.

if not, then you'd have to remove the whole dash unit like normal because this clam-shell design is screwed into the same mounting screws as the A/C vents.

Wonka2581 12-19-2016 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenny (Post 3591716)
You're not wrong! Though I've not read the cable jostling loose being an issue with most of the tablet installation threads I've read. Mainly occasional freezing that requires resetting. I've seen some people have a small button that acts as the power button to let you reset it without removing the tablet itself.

I think my ideal set up have to be able to easily remove the tablet for updating, or modifying the set up. A company is/was selling a float mount kit that holds the tablet in place using magnets. These were super expensive if I remember right...pay to play i suppose. I think I'd sacrifice some flexibility to get a better price point.

Here's a link to a video of the float mount kit. I believe the one for the Nexus 7 is discontinued, but offered for Ipad mini and air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhL1Zuacz2w


The kit in the video like is a kit that I really do not like. It's not at all plug and play and have you seen what they charge for it?? Way over priced.

Tenny 12-19-2016 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 3591777)
The kit in the video like is a kit that I really do not like. It's not at all plug and play and have you seen what they charge for it?? Way over priced.


Yeah, It's not my first choice at all. But I just meant I liked the fact that it is removable. Not trying to take anything away from OP.

charnathan 12-19-2016 05:51 PM

Another thing, is does everyone want it "as printed" like what you see in the photo? or would you want alcantara on it?

I'm working on getting a quote right now for "as printed" with the current set-up for the Galaxy Tab S2. This will give me a good idea on cost right now so I can finalize how much I'd tell you guys what I'd sell it for.

As of right now, I'm probably leaning towards the Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 and iPad Mini 4 only. If anyone wants it for a smaller tablet, they are more than welcome to buy it "as printed" and modify it for any other tablets that would fit in it.

Also, keep in mind that modifications will need to be made to the lower radio face plate (either the stock face plate or the metra face plate). I'll make sure to include pictures of those later.

ChaseZ 12-19-2016 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by charnathan (Post 3591792)

Also, keep in mind that modifications will need to be made to the lower radio face plate (either the stock face plate or the metra face plate). I'll make sure to include pictures of those later.

Why don't you look at incorporating a small curb along that front lower edge so nothing needs to be modified. I think you will find many more people receptive when it is more plug and play - which is the reason none of the similar past efforts have really taken off.

Personally I don't think alcantara is necessary, though the as printed look is probably something I'd have to see. That said I don't mind painting something to clean it up myself.

charnathan 12-19-2016 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3591852)
Why don't you look at incorporating a small curb along that front lower edge so nothing needs to be modified. I think you will find many more people receptive when it is more plug and play - which is the reason none of the similar past efforts have really taken off.

Personally I don't think alcantara is necessary, though the as printed look is probably something I'd have to see. That said I don't mind painting something to clean it up myself.

the modifcations are for the tabs sticking up towards the back of the radio face plate. its more for the stock radio face plate, but even the metra plate needed some tab removal

Wonka2581 12-19-2016 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by charnathan (Post 3591792)
Another thing, is does everyone want it "as printed" like what you see in the photo? or would you want alcantara on it?

I'm working on getting a quote right now for "as printed" with the current set-up for the Galaxy Tab S2. This will give me a good idea on cost right now so I can finalize how much I'd tell you guys what I'd sell it for.

As of right now, I'm probably leaning towards the Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 and iPad Mini 4 only. If anyone wants it for a smaller tablet, they are more than welcome to buy it "as printed" and modify it for any other tablets that would fit in it.

Also, keep in mind that modifications will need to be made to the lower radio face plate (either the stock face plate or the metra face plate). I'll make sure to include pictures of those later.

I prefer a nice clean look / finish, I like the leather and or a carbon fiber finish.

phreak9i6 12-19-2016 11:02 PM

I'd be interested in your 3D files so I could adjust and print myself a screen mount :)

charnathan 12-19-2016 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3591852)
Why don't you look at incorporating a small curb along that front lower edge so nothing needs to be modified. I think you will find many more people receptive when it is more plug and play - which is the reason none of the similar past efforts have really taken off.

Personally I don't think alcantara is necessary, though the as printed look is probably something I'd have to see. That said I don't mind painting something to clean it up myself.



In all honesty, I would have gone the route of a plug and play if I had a 3D scanner. But the high end ones are costly (30k to 70k) to get a good resolution and then I could scan all the parts that it interfaces with.

I also thought of a way to save the cubby and incorporate a system similar to the lid, but it was either going to be too small of a tablet/phone or too big of a housing that looked god awful to have there. I even wanted to reuse the latch mechanism, but after a few months of development I said @#$% it and went to integrate it into dash itself.

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 3591872)
I prefer a nice clean look / finish, I like the leather and or a carbon fiber finish.



I do like the idea of a clean look too, but I think the cost will be an issue with some over that. So I'll more than likely offer two options: 1) as printed straight from the printer or 2) with alcantara (assuming I can find a fabrication shop I like and is willing to do this low volume work)

Carbon Fiber is not simple to do with this current design, nor do I have experience with working with Carbon Fiber, so that will be out of the question for the near future (never say never I guess, as I am starting to play around, but I'd have to make molds for this to work on this design)

After I get a feel that more and more people will want to look into this, I'll have both options shown in this thread before I make a thread in the marketplace for sale.

I'll also probably have to start off with only the Galaxy Tab S2 8" first and then offer the iPad Mini for others like yourself Wonka2581. I just want to make sure the files are updated correctly to fit everything and I'll have to get an iPad Mini 4 to do so.

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Originally Posted by phreak9i6 (Post 3591924)
I'd be interested in your 3D files so I could adjust and print myself a screen mount :)



If this becomes a dead project, I might be willing to sell it to you, but it you would need to have access to a 3D CAD software like SOLIDWORKS to make it easily modified, as that it what I used to design this.

Tenny 12-20-2016 08:15 AM

Even if Nexus 7 isn't exactly compatible I'd be interested in buying. I can try and retrofit for my needs.

I'd also be interested in buying the CAD file if you ever go down that road.

MagmaRed370z 12-20-2016 09:35 AM

IM in but with the iPad Mini 4

charnathan 12-20-2016 10:03 AM

Here are some pictures of the modifications you'll need to do on the stock radio face plate (and even the Metra Double Din faceplate as well)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psfgplvogp.jpg

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psdksneujp.jpg

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8tdcowis.jpg

Everything circled in red will need to be removed as they interfere with the fit and the face plate sitting flush with the front of the stock radio curvature

In the last two pictures, I'd recommend completely removing those sections as a precaution.

Also, credit to "Ron" for the first picture. I had already cut up mine and stupidly forgot to take a picture of the before and after with the tabs removed. Luckily a google search showed me the pictures I needed and i cropped out what I didn't need from his picture.

ChaseZ 12-20-2016 10:45 AM

The first picture is the one I had been thinking about when I referred to a curb. That's the point of no return component. But if the bezel you're making had a raised curb along the front it could site right over that, without impeding the new screen in any way.

Bonus points if the curb can hold back a pair of sunglasses. That's the only thing I use the stock cubby for anyhow :)

charnathan 12-20-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3592094)
The first picture is the one I had been thinking about when I referred to a curb. That's the point of no return component. But if the bezel you're making had a raised curb along the front it could site right over that, without impeding the new screen in any way.

Bonus points if the curb can hold back a pair of sunglasses. That's the only thing I use the stock cubby for anyhow :)

The main thing is that tablets range from 7" to 9.7". Any tablet under 8" will have large bezels which will restrict the space that it allowed by the panel that houses this. Any tablet over 8" and you're getting into an issue with real-estate as well due to the nature of the screen size. We're all trying to retrofit a tablet we can buy off the shelf.

I've given up on the fact that I'd like to have the cubby for storage so I can have an elegant design.

phreak9i6 12-20-2016 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by charnathan (Post 3591933)
If this becomes a dead project, I might be willing to sell it to you, but it you would need to have access to a 3D CAD software like SOLIDWORKS to make it easily modified, as that it what I used to design this.

I'm very capable with solidworks, autodesk fusion360, sketch-up, etc. I also own large format 3d printers and other rapid prototyping equipment.

The other option is to have my standard dash 3D scanned at the local maker-lab or college, typically they don't charge for the services.

I was hoping you were willing to help me out, I'm not looking to compete or purchase a dead project, I am just looking for a shortcut to completing a personal project.

night blade 12-21-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3591697)
Or the internal battery cable is jostled loose during a bumpy car ride and you have to take the whole back off the device to reconnect it :shakes head:

Haha, that explains my pains with my Nexus 7 2013 in my Sportage for years, that and so many of my Nexus devices (tablets, phones) had a messed up USB connector.

Will never touch a Nexus product again in my life, think they're discontinued anyways :ugh2:

charnathan 12-21-2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by night blade (Post 3592523)
Haha, that explains my pains with my Nexus 7 2013 in my Sportage for years, that and so many of my Nexus devices (tablets, phones) had a messed up USB connector.

Will never touch a Nexus product again in my life, think they're discontinued anyways :ugh2:

my nexus 7 always had an issue being recognized by my computer...and it was because of the USB female connector on the tablet...it was a nightmare.

Yeah, they did discontinue both the Nexus 7 and Nexus 9.

charnathan 12-22-2016 02:44 PM

I've just updated the part to secure the tablet in place before placing it into the car's bezel.

I added a few screws, washers, and nuts to the top (these will be included in the kit as well)

The images in the first post are updated and the part fits great.

This will be the final result for "as printed" for both the Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 8" and the Apple iPad Mini 4. I'll show options for it covered in alcantara later.

Will more than likely put this up for sale sometime in January after I verify the fit with the iPad Mini 4.

charnathan 12-22-2016 02:56 PM

The new screw locations don't have an issue with the inside of the housing either!

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psrty8qbmj.jpg

JARblue 12-22-2016 03:35 PM

Be sure you get the ok from AK370Z if you plan to sell or advertise the product on the forum. Generally, you have to be a paying vendor to sell a specific product on the forum. For the little guys with just a single product and low sales volume, he won't require full vendor status; expect to pay a small percentage or fee for each sale. If you don't hear back from AK within a couple of weeks, you can PM Trips (the most active moderator) for some help in contacting him.

charnathan 12-22-2016 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3593198)
Be sure you get the ok from AK370Z if you plan to sell or advertise the product on the forum. Generally, you have to be a paying vendor to sell a specific product on the forum. For the little guys with just a single product and low sales volume, he won't require full vendor status; expect to pay a small percentage or fee for each sale. If you don't hear back from AK within a couple of weeks, you can PM Trips (the most active moderator) for some help in contacting him.

Will do! Thanks for the heads up!

ihiryu 12-22-2016 10:10 PM

I'd buy one if the price was right.

charnathan 12-23-2016 01:18 AM

So i had my 2013 Nexus 7 still around and I placed it into my face plate to see what mods would be required for those who want to use this. And there's an issue:

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psmbnxnsqb.jpg

As you can see there will have to be heavy modifications needed to be made to make it work.

I'm thinking I'll create one for the 2013 Nexus 7 as well, but I probably won't keep stock on it and make it a custom order.

If anyone with a 2013 Nexus 7 wants one, let me know. I'm going to print it in the next few weeks to show a comparison.

Tenny 12-23-2016 07:44 AM

Interested for Nexus 7.

charnathan 01-06-2017 12:17 AM

for anyone wondering, I'm just waiting for a response from the mods. Thought I'd give them until next week before bugging because of the holidays.

Thyristor 01-06-2017 08:15 AM

im extremely interested in this. has a price been determined yet?

ChaseZ 01-06-2017 09:41 AM

What happened to all your pictures?


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