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Originally Posted by Nixin
I don't believe the stats. They are just like your governments hype about the Russians, all BS. Very subjective and manipulative by the 'powers' that want/need to convince us of something. Statistics are easy to manipulate and then dump the opinions on the general public. What I do believe are at least seven different people, and a Kia service manger who happens to be a buddy of mine. All have had multiple Kia vehicles and have had nothing but negative issues with them. So bad in fact that all have taken hits and traded them in. That said, I am certain though that Kia can produce some decent vehicles. But I don't believe that the vehicles, or the company for that matter, are awesome, revolutionary, etc, etc. Nothing mind blowing or superlative! They are at best, average. I certainly wouldn't spend my money on them. Again, this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced, seen, heard.
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While i believe some of what you say when government's or organizations that accept corporate revenue create reports. But you must be aware of your sources. Your blanket statements about the "reliability conspiracy to uplift a brand" when you use a third party statistic like Consumer Reports falls short.
You can use a stat like true delta or similar if you're skeptical? They would be more honest as in the people reporting took the time to purchase the vehicle and report their incidents. Instead of my buddy told me...
You don't have to like Kia... find them average etc... you can be the stereotypical Hyundai hater all you want. Why? Cuz Murrica? That's why...
But when you step into the realm of stating facts. You have to come with more than he said... she said. I don't care if your friend is the COO of Kia. There are sustainable facts out there and it becomes your job to present them once you base your judgement as fact..
I have seen the opposite of you. I seen my wayward family run Hyundais to death, pulling a quarter million miles out of them while barely maintaining them. I've seen some reliable azz Hyundais. Your witnessing is as valid as mine. That's why we need factual statistics of your claims.
If you want my personal opinion, versus my view of them as a thriving company... I find their vehicles average as well. The main difference between us is I greatly appreciate their efforts in contributing to the car market where supposed heritage companies have sold out the enthusiast for profit.
The STINGER is average looking. But its a step in the right direction for the enthusiast market. And anyone keeping the enthusiast market alive in terms of performance, gets a nod of respect from me...
Cuz What is Nissan doing for its middle class enthiasts?
Ummm Sentra Nismo, Leaf Nismo and midnight edition every wacky doo car Nissan has.
What did Kia do?
Give us a nearly 400hp RWD performance GT with a quality interior for the cash and lots of interior space.
Plus... Not a crossover. I give them extra respect for that.
Which sounds more interesting?
Nismo Leaf? STINGER?
