Hi,
I'm Moncef, I designed this intake system. I also tune these cars and other platforms.
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Originally Posted by markesc
I'm really SHOCKED given how everyone on this forum says: "the stock airbox is engineered to flow very efficiently"
Which makes me wonder:
A) The stock airbox is bs and so are the above claims
B) The Tune is really where the power is made, which could be accomplished on both the stock airbox with some dropin k/n's, and if so, then whynot just skip the intake and just get a tune entirely, especially if you can get 85% of the same result and keep the stock airbox???
C) An aftermarket intake actually is NEEDED with a tune in order to see real gains.
Someone please educate me on this, as last time I looked under the hood, it's not an 8.0 ltr Viper motor sitting there.
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The tune is only going to make power when there is enough airflow to support it. VHRs with short ram intakes that I have dyno tuned have gained less power than the same engines with CAIs, not just mine.
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079
The problem with a 3" intake is the bottleneck at the throttle body. I'm sure these would show gains if you hog out the entire intake tract and then tune for it. Otherwise I can't see them doing much beyond a standard diameter CAI.
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The 3" intakes make power with stock throttle bodies, I tested my intakes on a bone stock G37 and made 22whp from just the intake swap and rescaling the MAF. I left the ignition timing, VVEL, and cam tables stock. There was no indirect change in ignition timing due to the shift in base fuel schedule either.
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Originally Posted by Rusty
A tune can only do so much. If there is a mismatched set of parts. It can help, but it still won't be 100%.
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This.
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Originally Posted by synolimit
Someone on the FB pages is giving me his new 3" setup and i sold my stillin gen 3's. Guess it cant get any worse. I say that though but 3 times ive dyno'd changing things and ive lost power! Like a lot! Think my best was 312 SAE in 4th with my setup, 2.75's, LTH and dual cbe. Then i tried e85 and made like 298 SAE in 5th!!! So almost stock power in 4th. Now with the side exit cbe and stillen gen 3's i made 310 SAE 5th. So maybe i could use a bigger intake. Who knows. Im currently porting the heads, openening the SH*T out of lower manifold and then going to try the 3" intakes. Hope it works out.
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Let me know how it goes and if you need help shoot me an email.
moncef.faik@gmail.com.
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Originally Posted by Eagle
Everything i've heard about the Admin tuning intakes is that they require a MAF scaling tune at minimum, perform the best with the EPS throttle bodies...which at this point you are now looking at $1800 for some CAI's and +22 whp gains? Maybe 40whp with the throttle bodies?
It also bothers me that Moncef, the owner of Admin Tuning will not post apples to apples dyno sheets of lets say a Stillen Gen 3 with a tune next to Admin Tuning with MAF scaling. Why? Because the results are going to be close and you'll be spending $1200 for what you could get for ~$900 (assuming you purchase used Gen 3 intakes).
The cost just doesn't seem worth it to me and pretty much defeats the purpose of a CAI, which is a low cost bolt on mod that gets you a little pick up.
Also, i'd like to point out that K&N drop ins or short ram intakes with a tune may get you within 90% of a CAI on the dyno...but try that in the real world with some heat and watch that 90% drop fast due to heat soak.
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I have proven that my intakes make power on the stock throttle bodies and on a bone stock car with stock everything else.
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Originally Posted by Eagle
I don't have anything against him personally but I certainly don't like false advertising. He and his fanbois claim they make more power than any other solution out there, but the catch is you have to pay for a tune and or buy throttle bodies to take advantage of a 3" intake charge pipe. Congratulations, you get to spend $1800 on something that should have been no more than $600 for a new CAI. For that kind of money I would much rather get a new set of Stillen G3's, an oil cooler and upgrade my brake pads. Outside of the 370z world even $600 is a lot of money for something like a CAI.
He's also pushing people to tune their cars after just doing the CAI which i think most people on this forum know is pretty stupid...unless of course you got money burn. Even if it is just MAF scaling, you're paying the same amount you would for an actual tune!!!
He may be a nice guy, he may have a decent product and know how to tune...but he is pretty bad about being honest with the community about what it means when you buy a set of Admin Tuning intakes.
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This is incorrect, I do not "push" clients to get their stock cars tuned, my intakes hold their position in the marketplace as a final upgrade for people who are wrapping up their bolt-on "builds". I always tell potential customers that it is in their best interest to have at least test pipes and a good exhaust behind their intakes. If they want the intakes and tune beforehand after I disclose this to them, then I'll proceed.
EPS throttle bodies are great to have and yes I sell them. But like I mentioned before, my intakes make power with stock throttle bodies (and stock everything else).
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Originally Posted by Eagle
No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.
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Whether or not they are worth it is subjective, but the cost is a function of the investment in design, testing, production and support. There is no BS that is being spread as I already have proven these intakes make power over the stock ones, and my customers have made power over Injen intakes (~11whp) and Z1Motorsports intakes (~11whp) with mine on both 07-08 350Z HR engines and 09+ 370Z/G37 VHR engines.
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Originally Posted by 1cintron
not at all.
I will try reaching out to him...
On the meantime, for any other member here who have these intakes, can you verify yours look the same or similar inside?
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Your replacements are almost ready.
Mods - sorry if this is a double post. My original post appears to have been deleted/lost.
If anyone has any questions let me know. I'm not here to push my stuff but I wanted to clear some of this information up for you all.