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cooltoy 06-09-2014 02:19 PM
Fender/Offset question. Sort off.
 
Now that I have an actual Z sitting in my garage, I was able to measure things more accurately as far as offsets and the look I want.

One thing I noticed, is that the rear fender is only as thick as sheet metal, were as the front fender has a 0.5" edge on it.

I guess my question is - for a good look on stock height, how close should I get to those fenders so that there is no rubbing.

I think I would want to stay just inside the fenders. Right?

And if I did that , would it look odd that the front is 0.5" more in due to that fender edge being thicker?

cooltoy 06-09-2014 08:41 PM
Is this a dumb question? You can tell me, I am a big boy. I can take it. :crying:

shaun66 06-09-2014 10:33 PM
Huh whatever sport package rays + 20MM spacers is offset wise made me happy!

shaun66 06-09-2014 10:34 PM
Or you could roll your front fenders to get rid of that lip on inside if you want more room.

cooltoy 06-09-2014 11:36 PM
I am going with after market wheels.

I am not looking to get more room, just curious how close I should get to the fenders. Nothing too aggressive.

bacalhau16 06-10-2014 12:29 AM
If youre going aftermarket, then vhoose the proper wheels so spacers wont be necessary. Gotta do a bit of reading because rim size amd width play a part in how the offset will look. It gets complicated. Easy thing to do, search through members cars, see their setups, find what you like and use their settings.

axmea? 06-10-2014 12:35 AM
Wait, I'm missing something, what color and model Z cooltoy? I know you were collecting parts when your Z arrives. Now I see you have one finally. Congrats on you Z!

cooltoy 06-10-2014 09:13 AM
LOL. Ya, it got delivered last week. PW (naturally) touring/sport.

cooltoy 06-10-2014 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bacalhau16 (Post 2852719)
If youre going aftermarket, then vhoose the proper wheels so spacers wont be necessary. Gotta do a bit of reading because rim size amd width play a part in how the offset will look. It gets complicated. Easy thing to do, search through members cars, see their setups, find what you like and use their settings.
Thanks. I appreciate your response.

I am well educated in offsets (thanks t the good people here) and I already have the rims picked out.

I think you misunderstood my question (or I did not word it properly). What I am trying to decide is what width tires to get. Obviously the rim is the rim and that can not be changed (other then with spacers), but the tire width will effect how close the overall wheel set up gets to the fender.

I was wondering how close I should get to the edge of the fender in order to be safe. 2 mm, 3 or more?

DEpointfive0 06-10-2014 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853019)
LOL. Ya, it got delivered last week. PW (naturally) touring/sport.
What the hell, you haven't owned a 370Z this whole time?!?!?!

:gtfo2:



I think you're looking at wheels backwards. Find a set you like, then width, then tire you wanna run, then offset

kenchan 06-10-2014 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2852079)
Now that I have an actual Z sitting in my garage, I have was able to measure things more accurately as far as offsets and the look I want.

One thing I noticed, is that the rear fender is only as thick as sheet metal, were as the front fender has a 0.5" edge on it.

I guess my question is - for a good look on stock height, how close should I get to those fenders so that there is no rubbing.

I think I would want to stay just inside the fenders. Right?

And if I did that , would it look odd that the front is 0.5" more in due to that fender edge being thicker?
for me, i also consider the width of wheel and where the offset is looking from behind the car. lots of folks just push out their narrow 275 (10inch) sport wheels but it looks weird from the back... like a spider or crab or something. :ugh:

i like my wheels tucked in the fender/quarter arch but not sunken in, and from the rear i like to have the width so that it fills the wheel well not just at the body arch, but also towards the axle/hub.

for this, nismo wheels are perfect imo for stock height.

cooltoy 06-10-2014 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2853122)
I think you're looking at wheels backwards. Find a set you like, then width
That is all done. The offset have been decide (they are ones that are available and can not be changed).

The only thing to decide is the tire width. That's why I am asking about how close to get to the inside of the fender. If choose a narrow tire vs a wider tire, the tire will be more sunk in of stick out closer to the fender. I want to go with the widest possible, but how far out is too far?

DEpointfive0 06-10-2014 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853266)
That is all done. The offset have been decide (they are ones that are available and can not be changed).

The only thing to decide is the tire width. That's why I am asking about how close to get to the inside of the fender. If choose a narrow tire vs a wider tire, the tire will be more sunk in of stick out closer to the fender. I want to go with the widest possible, but how far out is too far?
Can you give us the specs?

cooltoy 06-10-2014 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2853131)
for me, i also consider the width of wheel and where the offset is looking from behind the car. lots of folks just push out their narrow 275 (10inch) sport wheels but it looks weird from the back... like a spider or crab or something. :ugh:

i like my wheels tucked in the fender/quarter arch but not sunken in, and from the rear i like to have the width so that it fills the wheel well not just at the body arch, but also towards the axle/hub.

for this, nismo wheels are perfect imo for stock height.
Thanks.

Is this with stock sized tires, or did you go wider?

kenchan 06-10-2014 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853275)
Thanks.

Is this with stock sized tires, or did you go wider?
im using the stock nismo size which is 245/40/19 and 285/35/19.

work also has emotion that you can special order in offsets similar to the nismo's. they are like 19x9.5 ET38 and 19x10.5 ET22

only down side is they are heavier than the nismos by 3-4 lbs.

axmea? 06-10-2014 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2853122)
What the hell, you haven't owned a 370Z this whole time?!?!?!

:gtfo2:

I think you're looking at wheels backwards. Find a set you like, then width, then tire you wanna run, then offset
I think it's awesome! cooltoy's been holding out researching what he wants and helping us out with his ps skills all this time. Congrats!

cooltoy 06-10-2014 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2853272)
Can you give us the specs?
Front 20x9 +32
Rear 20x11 +28

cooltoy 06-10-2014 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 2853408)
I think it's awesome! cooltoy's been holding out researching what he wants and helping us out with his ps skills all this time. Congrats!
Thank you. I am maybe too much into research, but I like to learn stuff.

And learn from mistakes of others.:bowrofl:

DEpointfive0 06-10-2014 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853440)
Front 20x9 +32
Rear 20x11 +28
Shít, that's a lot of size difference...
I'd still try to run 275 up front and 305 in the rear to avoid too much understeer.

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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853445)
Thank you. I am maybe too much into research, but I like to learn stuff.

And learn from mistakes of others.:bowrofl:
Looks like you didn't read any of my threads... Would've stayed away... Lol

kenchan 06-10-2014 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853440)
Front 20x9 +32
Rear 20x11 +28
that's pretty much right on for stock height. :tup: GJ

kenchan 06-10-2014 01:29 PM
im glad to see some people are actually observing my posts and using them to their advantage.

thats wat im here for really... well, besides enterTrollment purposes. :mad: :icon17:

kenchan 06-10-2014 01:30 PM
so to you mofo's that's been reporting me, go f- yourselves. :gtfo2:

cooltoy 06-10-2014 01:34 PM
I was thinking 235/45/20 in the front, and 295/30/20 in the back to keep the tire just inside the fender.

Wouldn't the 305 and 275 stick way outside?

I don't really want to get that aggressive.

kenchan 06-10-2014 01:37 PM
id use 245/35/20 on the front. at 35 profile there will be no buldge. should even have a slight stretch depending on tire you use.

cooltoy 06-10-2014 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2853482)
that's pretty much right on for stock height. :tup: GJ
I have been following your advice. I think I agree that I don't want the 4x4 look.

kenchan 06-10-2014 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853502)
I have been following your advice. I think I agree that I don't want the 4x4 look.
yah, i also dont like the tank look from the front with tires sticking out past the front bumper.

a little is fine as the Z's front bumper is designed that way, but not like a frikken tank.

cooltoy 06-10-2014 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2853501)
id use 245/35/20 on the front. at 35 profile there will be no buldge. should even have a slight stretch depending on tire you use.
Interesting. My calculations show that that tire would bulge 8 mm past the rim. And be 4 mm past the inner portion of the front fender.

I did hear that tires are not exactly the width the manufacturers say. How would I know? I was thinking Michelin PSS (in Canada they come without the Michelin man - j/k).

kenchan 06-10-2014 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853512)
Interesting. My calculations show that that tire would bulge 8 mm past the rim. And be 4 mm past the inner portion of the front fender.

I did hear that tires are not exactly the width the manufacturers say. How would I know? I was thinking Michelin PSS (in Canada they come without the Michelin man - j/k).
:icon18:

yah, every tire model is slightly different even within the same brand. it also depends how much rim protector width it has, etc. we can only get a fairly intelligent guess on paper, the rest is by actual fitment. :)

20x9 ET32 is still fairly subtle. i was able to push the sport 19 by 20mm to ET28 without rubbing running 245/40/19 tires.

cooltoy 06-10-2014 04:03 PM
I could get that rim in ET20, but I think that is too far out for stock height. I think you agree.

kenchan 06-10-2014 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2853746)
I could get that rim in ET20, but I think that is too far out for stock height. I think you agree.
yes, ET20 is too much. you want to be ET30-35 for stock height on the front with a 9", ET35-40 for 9.5".

just be sure your wheel of choice have enough backspacing to clear the sport brakes (if yours is a sport).

kenchan 06-10-2014 04:06 PM
i know just from looking that the ET25 gnosis i run on my G (19x9.5) will NOT clear the akebono's. only like 4-5mm clearance from the brembo's.

kenchan 06-10-2014 04:08 PM
i should just get a direct hook up with wheel manufacturers out of japan to make a kenchan certified stock ride height wheelset combo with tires. lol :D haha

cooltoy 06-10-2014 05:08 PM
It is sport. Checking the clearance is the next step.

DEpointfive0 06-10-2014 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2853753)
i should just get a direct hook up with wheel manufacturers out of japan to make a kenchan certified stock ride height wheelset combo with tires. lol :D haha
:iagree:

cooltoy 06-10-2014 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2853749)
i know just from looking that the ET25 gnosis i run on my G (19x9.5) will NOT clear the akebono's. only like 4-5mm clearance from the brembo's.
So what are you saying. The front wil not clear sport brakes on my intended set up? Or the other way around - it should.

kenchan 06-10-2014 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2854197)
So what are you saying. The front wil not clear sport brakes on my intended set up? Or the other way around - it should.
which wheel is it? my point is that even if the offset is more agressive does not necessarily mean that the wheel will clear the caliper.

my ET33 setup on weds clear akenbono's with ample clearance.
my ET25 setup on gnosis will probably hit the akebono.

cooltoy 06-10-2014 10:10 PM
Well hopefully getyourwheels will be able to tell me. There is no way anybody in Calgary will carry these.

DEpointfive0 06-10-2014 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2854240)
Well hopefully getyourwheels will be able to tell me. There is no way anybody in Calgary will carry these.
Canadian Tire has EVERYTHING.


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