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MacCool 04-30-2014 04:39 PM

Lug nuts - aftermarket to fit OEM Ray's Forged Sport package wheels
 
I have a 2014 Z with Sport package (19" Ray's Forged wheels). I'm looking to replace just the lug nuts with colored nuts. How do I do that? Do such aftermarket nut exist with conical/washer? I don't care about weight or material, just a safe reliable lug nut for a Ray's 19 inch forged wheel that's red in color.

Grindkiezer 04-30-2014 04:41 PM

Non-existent

synolimit 04-30-2014 05:40 PM

Gorilla has a black one OEM type.

But please do not say material doesn't matter. I don't know a car or driver that hasn't been almost killed by using aluminium nuts. Steel only!

MacCool 04-30-2014 09:36 PM

So...what do you think...? Krylon, or is it worth it to spring for powdercoating some OEM lug nuts? Role for PlastiDip here?

synolimit 04-30-2014 09:43 PM

All to weak or thick. They need anodized.

Got_Z 05-01-2014 01:19 AM

I don't think we can actually put aftermarket lugs on our stock wheels bud. It's not safe. I'm sure some of the wheel gurus can chime in.


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DEpointfive0 05-01-2014 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2802002)
All to weak or thick. They need anodized.

You don't anodize steel.
Powdercoating works fine, I have done a few sets.


You CANNOT RUN ANYTHING BESIDES STOCK LUGS ON OEM WHEELS!!!

The other McGards and Gorilla lugs LOOK big enough, but the washer size isn't large enough and the base of the lug is too small regardless, it cannot apply enough pressure to the outside of the lug holes (this is why OEM lugs flare out)



Feel free to not accept my first hand knowledge on the subject, when your wheel breaks off, I'll be sittin here with a shít eating grin on my face and saying I told you so :tiphat:

synolimit 05-01-2014 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2802156)
You don't anodize steel.
Powdercoating works fine, I have done a few sets.


You CANNOT RUN ANYTHING BESIDES STOCK LUGS ON OEM WHEELS!!!

The other McGards and Gorilla lugs LOOK big enough, but the washer size isn't large enough and the base of the lug is too small regardless, it cannot apply enough pressure to the outside of the lug holes (this is why OEM lugs flare out)



Feel free to not accept my first hand knowledge on the subject, when your wheel breaks off, I'll be sittin here with a shít eating grin on my face and saying I told you so :tiphat:

Ok chrome then like mine. Same type of process. I cannot see PC working well. I've chipped wheels just looking at them. I've dropped my lugs and taken them on and off a million times and yet to see wear. PC still sits on top like a paint and doesn't adhere like chemical baths do. Just my 0.02.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/gor-21133bc/overview/

So you're saying even though this is technically aftermarket it won't work?

synolimit 05-01-2014 02:16 AM

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Or this?

DEpointfive0 05-01-2014 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2802160)
Ok chrome then like mine. Same type of process. I cannot see PC working well. I've chipped wheels just looking at them. I've dropped my lugs and taken them on and off a million times and yet to see wear. PC still sits on top like a paint and doesn't adhere like chemical baths do. Just my 0.02.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/gor-21133bc/overview/

So you're saying even though this is technically aftermarket it won't work?

Chroming and Anodizing? Not similar, but ok.

Yeah, if you drop PC'd lugs, that will chip them, but there's a solution, don't drop them, you wouldn't want to drop any show item



And are you really trying to sell me this "but this is aftermarket, I just proved you wrong" BS? They're 99% the same. Even the locks you provided in the second post. Really splitting hairs...

Also, there is no size given for the width of the flare. Just because it says it fits and looks similar doesn't mean a fuckin thing.

Feel free to do what you want at your own risk

FuTuRe is Z 05-01-2014 03:14 AM

So if I use aftermarket lugs on stock wheels, I will have issues, but aftermarket lugs on aftermarket wheels, I won't have any issues?

MacCool 05-01-2014 03:58 AM

I'm not going aluminum and there's too much at stake for me to be comfortable with the Gorillas for the sake of saving $50. I ordered a set of OEM lug nuts from Courtesy Parts. Getting them powder coated locally is easy. I hadn't thought of chrome plating, but I'm not sure that epoxy-over-chrome would be any more durable than powder coating.

synolimit 05-01-2014 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2802174)
Chroming and Anodizing? Not similar, but ok.

Yeah, if you drop PC'd lugs, that will chip them, but there's a solution, don't drop them, you wouldn't want to drop any show item



And are you really trying to sell me this "but this is aftermarket, I just proved you wrong" BS? They're 99% the same. Even the locks you provided in the second post. Really splitting hairs...

Also, there is no size given for the width of the flare. Just because it says it fits and looks similar doesn't mean a fuckin thing.

Feel free to do what you want at your own risk

Lol no? You don't consider dipping metal into liquids adding a finish or color similar? Umm ok :ugh2:

**** happens. Wheels come on and off all the time. Its bound to happen at least once, might as well go for the best finish.

He asked, I showed him. I'm not doing the splitting. You mentioned a company is no good I showed you there's an option. It's no big deal, damn Andrew.

Hence why I asked you it won't work? You mentioned only OEM and no for gorilla. You said you had experience so I asked because you made it seem like you had these fall off and break your wheel. I wanted clarification and info possibly. But jump down my throat though for being curious.

synolimit 05-01-2014 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2802193)
I'm not going aluminum and there's too much at stake for me to be comfortable with the Gorillas for the sake of saving $50. I ordered a set of OEM lug nuts from Courtesy Parts. Getting them powder coated locally is easy. I hadn't thought of chrome plating, but I'm not sure that epoxy-over-chrome would be any more durable than powder coating.

Well if it makes you feel any better my gorilla's black chromed made it 52k on two WRX's and this new set on the Z's at like 7k with winters. Still black with many drops and kicks being laid on the garage floor when working and wheels are still on it.

synolimit 05-01-2014 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FuTuRe is Z (Post 2802185)
So if I use aftermarket lugs on stock wheels, I will have issues, but aftermarket lugs on aftermarket wheels, I won't have any issues?

Correct. To add, no OEM lugs on aftermarket wheels either unless the wheel is made like OEM. You just have to look at the wheel and lug to see if they go together. Most companies will tell you however if they use a acorn style or not.

MacCool 05-01-2014 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2802195)
Well if it makes you feel any better my gorilla's black chromed made it 52k on two WRX's and this new set on the Z's at like 7k with winters. Still black with many drops and kicks being laid on the garage floor when working and wheels are still on it.

I appreciate the observation. If black was my color choice, I might have gone that route but since I can't electroplate red, and especially in this day of rampant substandard Chinese knock-off fasteners, I'm going to shell out the $50 and go with proven OEM security and then some powder coating.

MacCool 05-07-2014 10:50 AM

Ultimately decided to just go with plastic covers from Color Lugs. $20 for a set of 20, as opposed to $100 for a set of OEM lug nuts then about $100 to get them powder coated. Seems worth a try. I note that the Color Lugs web site thinks that the OEM nuts on the 370Z Sport wheels are 17mm. They're not...they're 21mm and require the lugcaps, not the boltcaps.

http://www.colorlugs.com/uploads/1/1...jpg?1335903079

Unique_Z 05-07-2014 11:25 AM

I've put my Muteki SR35 last year when i convert to stock and it fits just fine with no play or whatsoever.

Chuck33079 05-07-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Iwan72 (Post 2809624)
I've put my Muteki SR35 last year when i convert to stock and it fits just fine with no play or whatsoever.

You're setting yourself up for a major issue. Those look like acorn-style, not washer style like the oem lugs.

MacCool 05-07-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Iwan72 (Post 2809624)
I've put my Muteki SR35 last year when i convert to stock and it fits just fine with no play or whatsoever.

Those don't look anywhere near the same as OEM. :eek:

http://www.ilovebodykits.com/images/...T-32925R-2.jpg

I'm not willing to take the chance on a) aluminum and b) tuner-style on mag-style wheels. Too many smart wheel guys here on this forum have posted in this and other threads that it's a bad idea. Having lost a wheel before on a boat trailer from sheared lug nuts, I know that it's a HUGE hassle. I think I'll just save the money and half-a$$ it. Maybe I'll rethink if these plastic caps just suck, but I'm thinking that from the distance most people will see them, 99% would never notice.

Chuck33079 05-07-2014 11:38 AM

At BEST it's a huge hassle. It could very well be the last thing that ever happens to you.

kenchan 05-07-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwan72 (Post 2809624)
I've put my Muteki SR35 last year when i convert to stock and it fits just fine with no play or whatsoever.

:wtf2:

DEpointfive0 05-07-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2809592)
Ultimately decided to just go with plastic covers from Color Lugs. $20 for a set of 20, as opposed to $100 for a set of OEM lug nuts then about $100 to get them powder coated. Seems worth a try. I note that the Color Lugs web site thinks that the OEM nuts on the 370Z Sport wheels are 17mm. They're not...they're 21mm and require the lugcaps, not the boltcaps.

http://www.colorlugs.com/uploads/1/1...jpg?1335903079

What color do you want them powdercoated?

I'm finding it hard to believe it would cost $100 for spare lugs and $100 to PC them... If you want a color that I have, I'll do it for free.

DEpointfive0 05-07-2014 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwan72 (Post 2809624)
I've put my Muteki SR35 last year when i convert to stock and it fits just fine with no play or whatsoever.

I hope you don't turn your wheel, ever.
You're asking for the holes of the wheels to break

JARblue 05-07-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2809652)
Having lost a wheel before on a boat trailer from sheared lug nuts.

That has happened to me :eekdance:

MacCool 05-07-2014 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2809783)
What color do you want them powdercoated?

I'm finding it hard to believe it would cost $100 for spare lugs and $100 to PC them... If you want a color that I have, I'll do it for free.

Thanks. The cost of OEM lugs at Z1 is $99. The cost of the powder coating is mostly labor. Sandblasting the chrome, buying twenty M12 bolts to protect the threads, then the multiple coats required for functional (vs decorative) non-porous finish so that the now-dechromed nuts don't rust. Not to mention the potential change in nut size keeping the socket from fitting the coated lug nut. I think I'd probably sandblast them myself, then just hit 'em with some krylon, powder coat them if that didn't work. As it is, well....the red plastic caps are $20 a set and will just press on over my existing lugs.

kenchan 05-07-2014 04:36 PM

maccool-wat color is your wheel? if factory hyper silver, keep it stock color.

MacCool 05-07-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2809980)
maccool-wat color is your wheel? if factory hyper silver, keep it stock color.

http://ssequine.net/whiteZ2.jpg

versus

http://ssequine.net/whiteZ2r.jpg

Is what I'm thinking. Only cost me $20 to find out, I guess.

DEpointfive0 05-07-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2809820)
Thanks. The cost of OEM lugs at Z1 is $99. The cost of the powder coating is mostly labor. Sandblasting the chrome, buying twenty M12 bolts to protect the threads, then the multiple coats required for functional (vs decorative) non-porous finish so that the now-dechromed nuts don't rust. Not to mention the potential change in nut size keeping the socket from fitting the coated lug nut. I think I'd probably sandblast them myself, then just hit 'em with some krylon, powder coat them if that didn't work. As it is, well....the red plastic caps are $20 a set and will just press on over my existing lugs.

Um... I have powdercoated lug nuts... You don't have to do any of that crap., I put the lugs on a metal tray with aluminum foil, carries the current well enough.

And buy a used set from here on the forum for $20. I would send you one of my sets, but I went from 10 sets to 0...

merkil 05-25-2014 09:06 AM

Thought I would post this here as well, hopefully get more exposure

I was able to find these adaptors

Gorilla 79916 $2.99 Lug Nut Washers Tapered/Flat Adapter Style
Excalibur 788 $2.69 Lug Nut Washers Tapered/Flat Adapter Style
Excalibur 787 $2.69 Lug Nut Washers Tapered/Flat Adapter Style

I think most aftermarket lugs have a 60 deg seat so the first adaptor should work. The only problem as discussed in the definitive lug nut thread is will there still be enough bite with the adaptor.

Im hoping some one has some aftermarket lugs around and can try out a few to let us know! Im thinking about it but I don't have any aftermarket lugs.

kenchan 05-25-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2810006)
http://ssequine.net/whiteZ2.jpg

versus

http://ssequine.net/whiteZ2r.jpg

Is what I'm thinking. Only cost me $20 to find out, I guess.

yah, i like the silver better on those wheels.

MacCool 06-11-2014 10:09 AM

Ended up going the cheap and easy route.

http://ssequine.net/potenzas.jpg

TheBlack370z 06-13-2017 05:42 PM

Hi guys, I have a question that I haven't found an answer for so far. I've got a 14 base model 370Z and I was wondering if I could use my base OEM lugs with the OEM Sport Rays?

Chan Chee Hoe 06-13-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBlack370z (Post 3664045)
Hi guys, I have a question that I haven't found an answer for so far. I've got a 14 base model 370Z and I was wondering if I could use my base OEM lugs with the OEM Sport Rays?

If "Washer" type most likely the same.

TheBlack370z 06-14-2017 05:53 AM

Awesome, Thanks for your help!

cooltoy 06-14-2017 08:33 AM

Z1 had OEM black lug nuts. Out of stock currently.

https://www.z1motorsports.com/wheels...ts-p-7418.html

redondoaveb 06-14-2017 09:14 AM

I've got a set on order, they expect them in 2 to 3 weeks.

zfever 09-29-2017 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merkil (Post 2833123)
Thought I would post this here as well, hopefully get more exposure

I was able to find these adaptors

Gorilla 79916 $2.99 Lug Nut Washers Tapered/Flat Adapter Style
Excalibur 788 $2.69 Lug Nut Washers Tapered/Flat Adapter Style
Excalibur 787 $2.69 Lug Nut Washers Tapered/Flat Adapter Style

I think most aftermarket lugs have a 60 deg seat so the first adaptor should work. The only problem as discussed in the definitive lug nut thread is will there still be enough bite with the adaptor.

Im hoping some one has some aftermarket lugs around and can try out a few to let us know! Im thinking about it but I don't have any aftermarket lugs.

So has anyone actually used these?

I just got new wheel studs (https://www.z1motorsports.com/brakes...ds-p-5410.html) and although I am about to get new wheels, I'm still running the stock base wheels at the moment and plan to keep the stock wheels with all-season tires (for backup/winter).

The only way the shop was able to get my wheels back on was to cut the lugs (converted the closed lugs to open lugs).

This works and keeps the wheels on safely, but:
  1. It doesn't really look that great; I would prefer some proper open lugs that the studs don't stick through.
  2. Makes the wheels too easy to steal since cutting the lock lug wasn't going to work (I have 5 "normal" lugs with the ends cut off).
  3. Requires me to keep an additional set of lugs around

So I was hoping I could buy the Gorilla washer adapters and a new set of aftermarket lugs and then I just have to keep the washer adapters around if I want to mount the stock wheels.


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