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Apyung1506 11-10-2012 05:47 PM

All season tires suggestion
 
Looking to get all season tires. Right now looking at the Continental extreme contact. Anyone running these? Are these good tires for rain and slight snow? Also should I stay stock tire size or go up to 255 35 in front and 285 35 in the rear? Along with all season tires, I will be getting TSW wheels and will run the set up year round. Not much into tracking the Z but do have fun on the open road with no other cars around. Thanks for the input.

sparky 11-11-2012 11:07 PM

Check out the Bridgestone AS's on tirerack.

Bridgestone*Potenza RE970AS Pole Position

I'm considering these when the stock tires are done.

frost 11-11-2012 11:12 PM

All seasons are generally garbage imho.

sparky 11-12-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 2011503)
All seasons are generally garbage imho.

Sure they are, but when you live in a climate that is wet 8 months of the year and hovers between freezing and 60 degrees for 10 months then it's an economical compromise.
I'm gonna give em a go. :ugh2:

frost 11-12-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky (Post 2012904)
Sure they are, but when you live in a climate that is wet 8 months of the year and hovers between freezing and 60 degrees for 10 months then it's an economical compromise.
I'm gonna give em a go. :ugh2:

Oh, right, I wouldn't know what that's like. :roflpuke2:

All seasons are "no seasons." Seems a little odd to buy a 30-40K sports car and then skimp on arguably the most important performance part of the car.

roy'sz 11-12-2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 2012909)
Oh, right, I wouldn't know what that's like. :roflpuke2:

All seasons are "no seasons." Seems a little odd to buy a 30-40K sports car and then skimp on arguably the most important performance part of the car.

But it makes sense to purchase sticky summer tires for and spend 90%of your mileage spinning because its too cold or wet for them to grip?. I don't disagree with the allseason statement but climate conditions do play a important role whem it comes to tire choices. Why do people run winter wheels and tires? :stirthepot:

frost 11-12-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz (Post 2013008)
But it makes sense to purchase sticky summer tires for and spend 90%of your mileage spinning because its too cold or wet for them to grip?. I don't disagree with the allseason statement but climate conditions do play a important role whem it comes to tire choices. Why do people run winter wheels and tires? :stirthepot:

I wasn't implying to buy summer times and just leave them on all year. Rather, I was saying that if I'm going to spend this kind of money on a performance car, I'm gonna buy appropriate tires for the conditions, which means having winter and summer tires.

Not that I could give a train's caboose what any of you do with your car, but it is a suggestion thread.

redGspd 11-12-2012 07:04 PM

all seasons are no seasons and people that run them dont deserve to have nice sports cars

sparky 11-12-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by redGspd (Post 2013023)
all seasons are no seasons and people that run them dont deserve to have nice sports cars

Trollolol. :icon18:

nmjaxx9 11-12-2012 10:36 PM

I had all seasons on my Z before I got the hankooks they worked just fine. Got them for 700 at town fair. :icon17:

Alstann 11-13-2012 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sparky (Post 2011500)
Check out the Bridgestone AS's on tirerack.

Bridgestone*Potenza RE970AS Pole Position

I'm considering these when the stock tires are done.

I run these in the rear right now - and let me tell you - they grip like no ones business.

The treadwear so far is incredible, I have over 6k miles and I'm still at 9/32 tread or so. It is fantastic. The cornering grip is also amazing, I plow through turns like I used to with the stock RE050A.

One thing to note is that my front tires are Bridgestone Potenza S04 pp. The stiff sidewalls in the front give me the responsiveness I desire, while the all season has the grip and treadwear - at the expense of sidewall softness. I would say the sidewall on my 295/30/19 is about the level of the Hankook v12.

Honestly, if you can afford burning good money fast for good rubber, by all means. I drive over 22k miles a year, so having to replace the rears twice a year is a no no for me.

sparky 11-13-2012 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alstann (Post 2013523)
I run these in the rear right now - and let me tell you - they grip like no ones business.

The treadwear so far is incredible, I have over 6k miles and I'm still at 9/32 tread or so. It is fantastic. The cornering grip is also amazing, I plow through turns like I used to with the stock RE050A.

One thing to note is that my front tires are Bridgestone Potenza S04 pp. The stiff sidewalls in the front give me the responsiveness I desire, while the all season has the grip and treadwear - at the expense of sidewall softness. I would say the sidewall on my 295/30/19 is about the level of the Hankook v12.

Honestly, if you can afford burning good money fast for good rubber, by all means. I drive over 22k miles a year, so having to replace the rears twice a year is a no no for me.

Thanks Alstann for some meaningful feedback as opposed to some previous posts.
This helps people like the OP make informed decisions. :tiphat:
Don't know about running two different types of tires though?

DLSTR 11-14-2012 12:11 AM

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...k-lm-60-a.html

Read this for a graphic on page 2 on the cut off point for grip with summer and all season tires. Its about 7degree's - C.

For you all season fans:
Tire Rack Tire Test - All-Season vs. Winter Tires - YouTube - Video from Tire Rack.

sparky 11-14-2012 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 2015266)
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...k-lm-60-a.html

Read this for a graphic on page 2 on the cut off point for grip with summer and all season tires. Its about 7degree's - C.

For you all season fans:
Tire Rack Tire Test - All-Season vs. Winter Tires - YouTube - Video from Tire Rack.

Useful info and something I'm well aware of too. The tirerack test is pointless. If you're driving in snow then you must have snow tires. Unfortunately I think many are led to believe that all seasons will work in snow. They should be called 3 seasons not all seasons.
Where I live it rains a lot and winters are usually around 5C or less but no snow or very little. This is where all seasons work, with grip at lower temperatures than summer tires and some ability to deal with wet to icy conditions. In the warmer and all too short summer, they are again a compromise to summer tires but still offer decent grip.
I wouldn't bother with snow tires on the Z. If it actually does snow I'll be parking it. There's too many yahoos out there with all seasons waiting to run into me. :rofl2:

DLSTR 11-14-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sparky (Post 2015278)
Useful info and something I'm well aware of too. The tirerack test is pointless. If you're driving in snow then you must have snow tires. Unfortunately I think many are led to believe that all seasons will work in snow. They should be called 3 seasons not all seasons.
Where I live it rains a lot and winters are usually around 5C or less but no snow or very little. This is where all seasons work, with grip at lower temperatures than summer tires and some ability to deal with wet to icy conditions. In the warmer and all too short summer, they are again a compromise to summer tires but still offer decent grip.
I wouldn't bother with snow tires on the Z. If it actually does snow I'll be parking it. There's too many yahoos out there with all seasons waiting to run into me. :rofl2:

Below 7 or 5c all season and summer's do not provide very much lateral grip if at all. Sliding is bad. Optimally you should have summers and winters. Its your car and your call. Braking action alone is worth the change. Good luck!

In Germany if you play the game you are, and you are in an accident, your fault or not, your insurance coverage can be denied. This because the science and empirical data behind this are not in any dispute. All seasons are literally laughed at here. The graph from the other thread I posted is the proof.

cossie1600 11-14-2012 09:41 AM

look for some used snow tires. With the Z sizes being so odd, you can find some great deals. I bought my Blizzaks for $125 for the set, they were a season old!

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/9439/20121106182720.jpg

Alstann 11-14-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sparky (Post 2015242)
Thanks Alstann for some meaningful feedback as opposed to some previous posts.
This helps people like the OP make informed decisions. :tiphat:
Don't know about running two different types of tires though?

No problem! I honestly praise these tires a lot, but my friend with a 300ZX TT used to break loose in first and second with RE760 sport tires, and now he runs the RE970AS and can't break loose. It seems like you do get what you pay for - these bad boys are as expensive as RE-11's! :driving:

I was initially skepticial about running different tires/coumpounds front and rear, but the more and more I delved into it, I found that some people use them to bias the oversteer/understeer characteristics, and to change how the car handles.

I dont know how legitimate those claims are, but from my personal first hand experience - I originally ran the RE970AS on all four corners. The limit of grip in cornering was near or slightly below stock levels - I had more understeer than before. I also noticed something that fundamentally changed how the car felt - the soft sidewalls caused the car to "lag" to driver input, and when sharply darting the car into turns, the car would wobble a tiny bit before settling in. It also accentuated the body roll of the stock suspension. This was a noticeable contrast to the stock RE050A - it felt like the car was on rails with the summer tires.

I decided to switch my fronts out to the Potenza S-04 Pole Position - immediately, after leaving the tire shop, I felt the responsiveness I had felt with the RE050A. Any driver input, and the car darts in. I really think the front tires help the most with the initial turn in. Of course, the rear of the car still has a tiny hint of lag, but the fronts transformed the car back to how it was.

bvl 11-19-2012 08:04 PM

UHP A/S tires do have their purpose. Single line dismissive posts remind me why the intertubes is a bad place sometimes. I though we had better signal to noise here :P

For a car that sees no *snow* but cold dry temps, they are a safer alternative then trying to get by with summer rubber that is not made for that temperature range and will suffer from glass phase changes due to exposure.

Leaving my house in November its 20F in the AM...high of 45. Summers tires bad. Actual snow tires are way to soft mid day. UHP A/S, juuuuust right.

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