i can almost bet the BBS center caps were also fake! :D

I've worked in the wheel industry for 5+ years. I've worked closely with various wheel manufactures over the years and have a lot of knowledge regarding manufacturing, R&D, sales/marketing of wheels, etc.. I have no ties to Varrstoen wheels but you can't judge a wheels quality based on one picture floating around the internet..

You, like many others, assume a wheel holding together in one piece after a given impact equates to it's quality. This is true but only to a certain extent.. If I posted pictures of Advan Wheels, Work Wheels, Enkei Wheels, etc.. with the spokes separated from the barrel would you say they are an inferior wheel?

lol.. if they separated from hitting a pothole yes, but good luck with your search.

for me, its not just one picture i am basing my judgement on. ive seen a handful with cheap wheels 'shattering' vs bending...

Ah, that is possible. The pothole caused the initial crack on the lip, and as he kept driving, the crack continued to develop and displace to the center disk.

Would be interesting to do a stress analysis on it, but meh, too much work.

Spoken like a true engineer lol.

yah, he knows fake very well that phelan. :D ;)

I had XXRs on my 350Z and I've hit some of NYC's finest potholes with them. No problems. XXRs are actually pretty damn strong wheels. There were guys on the 350Z forum that tracked them and abused the piss out of them.

Honestly, any wheel will shatter like that after dropping into a 2-foot crater that collapsed from underneath the car. I remember a 350Z guy with Volks that got ruined after he hit a massive pothole like the one the BMW hit. When the severity is that high, there's no escaping massive damage like this.

I've seen cheap wheels damage. I've seen expensive ones damage.

yea, must have been a HUGE pothole

these are Konig After Burners. Konigs are not known for being race car quality, however they are mediocre on the quality level. None the less, 60mph and a 6" deep x 12" wide pot hole did this.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4888/dscn1778q.jpg

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...img0193ir0.jpg
You get what you pay for but then again to replace them is less costly but why put your life in danger rocking shiit wheels.

^ needs spacers, look how pushed in the tires are.

them kumoho's sticky!

I posted this same thread over on our local forum. and one of the guys there found this:

Enkei High Quality Wheels : Performance Series : IMOLA (TireRack Exclusive)

Read this:

Welcome to Enkei Wheels
Custom aftermarket wheels are as much a part of who we are as the clothes we wear, the vehicles we drive and of course the performance that we expect. ENKEI custom wheels deliver the latest in wheel designs, composite alloy technology such as, casting/forged processes, rigid testing that must pass stringent JGTC Standards and unsurpassed manufacturing facilities. Enkei is dedicated to perfection and delivers the best in aftermarket wheels. Make sure to sign up to our blog to keep up with Enkei Wheels' involvment in not only the motorsport scene but also the street car scene.


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varrstoen - wheels

WELCOME TO VARRSTOEN EUROPE
Custom aftermarket wheels are as much a part of who we are as the clothes we wear, the vehicles we drive and of course the performance that we expect. Varrstoen custom wheels deliver the latest in wheel designs, composite alloy technology such as, casting/forged processes, rigid testing that must pass stringent JGTC, VIA JWL Standards and unsurpassed manufacturing facilities. Varrstoen is dedicated to perfection and delivers the best in aftermarket wheels.


Bunch of fking hack jobs.. so not only do the blatantly steal wheel designs but they blatantly steal website content as well..

No, it isn't, but how do we know that is the full story?

We don't.

I'm very suspicious of the whole claim. That damage just doesn't look like it was caused by a vehicle traveling 25mph.

Likewise, we don't know how big the pothole really was, or how the car hit it... or any real details whatsoever. We just have some dude saying something on the internet, and I've been around way too long to take that seriously.

wowwww....

holy... :icon14:

Ouch..

It would be very interesting to see and it might be in Varrstoen's best interest (considering how many forums this image has been posted on) to independently test one of their wheels and post the results for everyone to see. This is the only true way we will know if it's a quality wheel or not.
I hit a massive pothole/uneven road surface last year in my M3 while going ~70mph on the freeway. The impact was so strong it cracked my windshield, loosened my front camber plate nut, blew my rear strut, bent my rear lateral link, cracked my subframe, and blew the bead on my rear tire. I was running 19" cast aluminum "replica" wheels with a 30 series tire in the rear. Three of my wheels were perfect and the one rear wheel had a bit of run out due to the impact, but no bends on the lips or cracks on the entire wheel.

I hit a moderate uneven road surface in my WRX a few years back going ~35mph with a 17" Volk Racing CE28 forged wheel. Impact resulted in the front and rear wheel having bent lips.

There are so many factors involved that you really need a controlled environment to do the testing if you want to determine the strength of a wheel.
Something we finally agree on :icon17: Good find, that's funny/sad at the same time :shakes head:

OMG liquid G that is hilarious!

Dan this wheel is garbage, you and I both know it.

The original BBS design was never meant to be a one-piece cast wheel and now looked what happens. I would bet as people start using these wheels the problems will start showing up more often.

Sevas wheels were cool too for awhile and eventually as more people started buying them all the issues started and eventually they were put out of business.

That same "shiit" wheel are used on AMS Performance's 1100whp+ drag car and many other competitive Time Attack cars. There is a tremendous amount of torque placed on the wheel while that car launches (9 second car that cuts sub 1.4 60ft's). Then again it's not as much force as the wheel sees when it slams sideways in to a curb like on that Integra you have pictured :tiphat:
http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal...-4/ams_evo.jpg


Based on your "logic" though, Ferarri shouldn't put their customers lives in danger by "rocking shiit wheels"
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6...ririmbreak.jpg

As I mentioned before, I don't know.. The wheels could be perfectly safe to run or they could be inferior pieces of garbage :confused: What I'm trying to get at is that you can't tell a wheels quality based on one picture floating around the internet.. Don't take my posts as defending Varrstoen Wheels either, I'm just trying to be a mediator so we can actually get to the truth.

btw, the wheel I was running on my M3 when I struck a pothole (what I mentioned a few posts up) was a one piece cast aluminum "BBS LM" replica (albeit a different brand/manufacture). Just because a wheel has a similar look, doesn't mean the wheel is 100% identical. The manufacture I am referring to puts the wheels through proper R&D and various strength tests. There are various ways to improve on the strength, it could be as simple as adding more material to the spokes. I won't bore everyone with the details though ;)

Fair enough, I guess I'm just more skeptical than you. ;)

I see ALMS, Rolex Touring, Porsche Cup and FIA GT3 cars all running BBS's. I have yet to see someone put the Varrstoens through any type of serious racing.

/\ unsprung weight reduction...taken just a wee bit too far.

:icon18::icon18::icon18:

I will leave this here, courtesy of JDM Chicago


Enkei:
http://i53.tinypic.com/11afrt1.jpg

Varrstoen:
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ry1w94.jpg

^^ wat, no G35Coupe reference under the faux coupe? :D

so one picture of a Varrstoen wheel that cracked pops up online and all of a sudden they are all "shiit".
Ive seen a lot of pictures of Volks, Work, Enkei cracked and never thought they were bad quality wheels...

Place yourself in this hypothetical situation...

You spent 3-4 grand on a set of wheels that are top-of-the-line, name brand, best materials on earth, first guys to make that design, etc, etc, etc.

Now someone comes along and buys a set of wheels that are for most intents and purposes the exact same as those rims, only they use lower quality materials, the design was stolen from the other guys, and he paid under 2 grand.

When you see that guy's brand of rims cracked in a picture, don't you leap at him with "You get what you pay for!"?

:stirthepot:

Links?

I been around awhile across a ton of forums, I've never seen this before :stirthepot:

:icon18: It's probably Varrstoen's with Volk Stickers. :stirthepot: :stirthepot:

Just some quick examples...

cracked a volk wheel! - evolutionm.net

Advan RGII Cracked - evolutionm.net

ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

None of the wheels show any sign of abuse or busted lips but they still cracked

1) That Varrosteon didn't crack, it separated completely from the barrel. I have never seen that before.

2) No wheel is indestructable, yes the a quality forged wheel will crack but you will still be able to drive home.

i bet all those people were driving 25mph and hit a small pothole too.