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Jjaden 11-03-2010 08:36 AM

Volk TE37 all real?
 
I saw this ad on Craigslist and have contacted the seller just a minute ago.

FS/FT Volk Racing TE-37 19x10.5 19x9.5 5x114.3

This is the Ad, now I have never owned Volks TE37, the price seems very good but I am wondering why there would be no decal on two of the wheels and also no blue valve stems on the same two.

Would it be possible two rims are genuine volks and 2 are varrestone? How could I verify this? Any help would be greatly appreciated...

2theextreme 11-03-2010 08:45 AM

They do look like the real thing. And the seller did mention he had recently had two of them powdercoated... I would guess that's why no stickers. There's a member on this board who purchased 4 TE-37's and hated the blue stickers so muich he pulled them off himself. I don't know what else to say to help with validation, unfortunately.

Although it would have been nice to have put some type of piece of paper on them with his screen name.....things like this are so difficult.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 09:06 AM

Thanks for the reply. It's a tough call because I'm very close to ordering a set of new TE37SL's but if I can get these for a lot less it makes sense.

I think a lot will depend on how the conversation goes when he calls me back on the phone, if he seems 'sketchy' at all or anything.

I'm tempted to offer a forum member who lives near the seller $100 just to go check the wheels out in person for me before I buy them. It would be worth the feeling of security.


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Originally Posted by 2theextreme (Post 793892)
They do look like the real thing. And the seller did mention he had recently had two of them powdercoated... I would guess that's why no stickers. There's a member on this board who purchased 4 TE-37's and hated the blue stickers so muich he pulled them off himself. I don't know what else to say to help with validation, unfortunately.

Although it would have been nice to have put some type of piece of paper on them with his screen name.....things like this are so difficult.


Snakebite202 11-03-2010 09:27 AM

If you look at the picture closely you can see that both the "unstickered" wheels have the volk racing stamp in them. I'd say the ad is legit based on that.

theDreamer 11-03-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakebite202 (Post 793934)
If you look at the picture closely you can see that both the "unstickered" wheels have the volk racing stamp in them. I'd say the ad is legit based on that.

That is what you look for.
Most Volk wheels have 'Forged' 'Rays' and usually something else on the wheel to help verify it is real.

ClemsonWill 11-03-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakebite202 (Post 793934)
If you look at the picture closely you can see that both the "unstickered" wheels have the volk racing stamp in them. I'd say the ad is legit based on that.

:iagree:

I have the same wheels and mine look just like that. I paid way more. :shakes head:

Did he mention why he powder coated the fronts?

2theextreme 11-03-2010 09:54 AM

Not sure how much this will help but here is a shot of mine:


http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/DSC_4476.jpg


They are right......the stamp around the wheels in the other photo do appear to have the same wording.

OMGWTFBBQ 11-03-2010 10:34 AM

From the craigslist ad, it says the seller lives in Orange County. If it's the OC in SoCal, I'd be willing to go check them out for you. You don't even have to pay me haha. :tup:

JDW1479 11-03-2010 10:52 AM

Also, real volks have the actual Japanese manufacturers sticker on the back part of the inside of the wheel. But since he powder costed them, I'm sure its safe to assume they were taken off.

You could always get the seller to take a picture close up of the stamped volk racing logo on the wheels.

As for the stickers, they will probably not be the best of quality if he gets them for 15 bucks. I bought these replacement stickers from here VOLK RACING decals for TE37 Wheels: Blue and they were 28 bucks shipped.

Also here is another place that sells stickers Acromann Online Shop

I believe these are real, but it never hurts to ask for more pics.

phelan 11-03-2010 11:47 AM

OP, either myself or OMGWTFBBQ there can help you if you want a spotter to inspect the wheels before you commit :tup:

HKYStormFront 11-03-2010 11:58 AM

those are legit and at a good price including the tires, just need some new stickers

wishihadnav 11-03-2010 12:01 PM

i agree..those are real.

ClemsonWill 11-03-2010 12:16 PM

You better jump on these quick before someone else catches your post and swipes them.

FairladyZ10PG 11-03-2010 12:36 PM

Very good deal. Almost too good to be true. Brand new TE37s w/2 tires for $2500 is unheard of. Maybe you should call this guy and ask some questions. And you can trust BBQ and Phelan for inspection. These are good guys.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGWTFBBQ (Post 794020)
From the craigslist ad, it says the seller lives in Orange County. If it's the OC in SoCal, I'd be willing to go check them out for you. You don't even have to pay me haha. :tup:

That would be awesome, if/when he get's back in touch with me I will let you know....

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 794153)
You better jump on these quick before someone else catches your post and swipes them.

I agree!, I have called 2x already and left messages, just waiting for a call back, I will take them as soon as he calls me back.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan (Post 794115)
OP, either myself or OMGWTFBBQ there can help you if you want a spotter to inspect the wheels before you commit :tup:

I really appreciate the offers, if seller isn't interested in shipping them, maybe one of you guys can help me out.

I would pay in advance for the wheels and shipping and pay you for your time and effort.

Just waiting on the call back, hope he still has them.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 793947)
:iagree:

I have the same wheels and mine look just like that. I paid way more. :shakes head:

Did he mention why he powder coated the fronts?

Didn't say, my guess is too much curb rash, but I will ask..

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:39 PM

Ok guys here is the deal, just got off the phone with the seller, hopefully someone (Phelan / OMG) can help me out.

The guy has had the rims up for sale since mid-october and hasn't sold them because he preferred to trade buy can't find what he wants so now is willing to sell.

He is leaving tonight at midnight for a month out of town, so if at all humanly possible can I paypal someone the cash right now and they pickup the wheels tonight?

I know it is asking a lot if someone would be willing I will add $100 for their time.

The seller said the other option is he can leave them with his sister and someone can pick them up this week but that would be last resort because he'd prefer to have the cash before he leaves.

If anyone can help out a fellow 370z'er it would be huge, seems like a great deal and I'd hate to pass it up..

phunk 11-03-2010 02:47 PM

so you will pay 2500 for them... then you pay 100 for someone to look at them... then you are going to pay, what... 200 for them to get shipped to you? back out... buy new. the little you are saving at this point is not worth the risk of multiple involved parties and potential shipping damage with second hand packing. considering they are not 100% original also with having been recoated, no stickers and wrong stems... possibly they were repaired from major damage... just my two cents. the guy is gonna take your 2500 and leave for a month... hopefully he drops the wheels off to his sister the day before hes leaving which is today... hopefully his sisters bf doesnt steal them or some other drama.... sounds too messy for me.

Cmike2780 11-03-2010 02:52 PM

If it were me , I would want to see the wheels in person before picking them up no matter how good the deal sounds. If it means waiting another month, then so be it. At the very least, deal with the seller directly using Paypal or something that has a paper trail. Very difficult to trust Craigslist these days.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 794376)
so you will pay 2500 for them... then you pay 100 for someone to look at them... then you are going to pay, what... 200 for them to get shipped to you? back out... buy new. the little you are saving at this point is not worth the risk of multiple involved parties and shipping damage with second hand packing.

Hmm I haven't ever been quoted under $3900 shipped.

I figured for 2800$ I would get 4 Volks TE37 plus 2 brand new tires with zero mileage, so I save $1100 and get 2 tires.

I'm not a cheap guy but that seemed pretty decent to me, assuming the rims were good condition.

If the deal doesn't go thought I won't be heartbroken, will probably just move on a set of TE37SL's, but it seemed worth the trouble...

Snakebite202 11-03-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 794376)
so you will pay 2500 for them... then you pay 100 for someone to look at them... then you are going to pay, what... 200 for them to get shipped to you? back out... buy new. the little you are saving at this point is not worth the risk of multiple involved parties and potential shipping damage with second hand packing. considering they are not 100% original also with having been recoated, no stickers and wrong stems... possibly they were repaired from major damage... just my two cents.

I would like to think that the people who said they would check them out wouldn't screw him over. And even at 300 - 400 more he's still getting a helluva price at 2700/2800 as oppose to 3600/4000.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 794385)
If it were me , I would want to see the wheels in person before picking them up no matter how good the deal sounds. If it means waiting another month, then so be it. At the very least, deal with the seller directly using Paypal or something that has a paper trail. Very difficult to trust Craigslist these days.

That is where a fellow forum member could be trusted to inspect the wheels for me, and maybe I could paypal the forum member, since there are some people on this website who I would trust.

It's a matter of being worth the hassle for someone wanting to do it but I could certainly understand it being viewed as a pain in the ***.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakebite202 (Post 794391)
I would like to think that the people who said they would check them out wouldn't screw im over. And even at 300 - 400 more he's still getting a helluva price at 2700/2800 as oppose to 3600/4000.

^^^^^^^^
This

phunk 11-03-2010 02:59 PM

ya you would save a grand or more... but the super laps are less expensive and they will be brand new and guarenteed mint and a reliable transaction.

here is what makes this very sketchy for me...

1: hes leaving tonight at midnight
2: you would have to pay him or someone RIGHT NOW wheels unseen by anyone for this to happen in time
3: Wheels are passing through too many hands
4: I dont personally trust anyone to inspect parts for me, im pickier than other people
5: you are burdening someone with the task of packing them and shipping them to you in canada, which is a pain in the ***... and just cause someone is a member on this forum doesnt offer any guarentee that you will ever see the wheels or they will pack them correctly or in a legit time frame.
6: they have been refinished, and you dont have enough time to have them REALLY inspected to make sure they werent totally trashed before the refinish, because hes leaving tonight.
7: I would never spent 3 grand in an emergency HAVE TO BUY TONIGHT kind of deal... too much pressure makes it too sketchy and uncomfortable.

so... i mean, it could be the deal of a lifetime.. i just personally would pass on the transaction, i see amazing deals once a week.

phunk 11-03-2010 03:05 PM

i mean... $400-500 more for brand new super laps... or take massive risks in attempt to save a few hundo and get 2 free tires, just to have second hand, refinished, unknown stuff? passssssss :)

Jjaden 11-03-2010 03:06 PM

I totally agree with what you are saying and understand your concerns.

The leaving tonight issue isn't that huge of a concern to me because he said he could still do the transaction, it would just have to be done through his sister instead since he would be out of town.

I preferred to not deal with her and do it while he is still in town if possible.

As for trusting a forum member, there are certain members who have established themselves as trustworthy and I feel are reliable.

Finally I totally agree the packing is a pain in the ***, which is why I would be willing to pay them for their time, I feel $100 is reasonable for 1-2 hours work.

Having said all this, like I said earlier, if this turns out to be too big a hassle, I will go with the TE37SL's. I don't want to cause everyone a pain in the ***, and wouldn't have even considered it had not 2 members offered to go check the wheels out for me..



Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 794401)
ya you would save a grand or more... but the super laps are less expensive and they will be brand new and guarenteed mint and a reliable transaction.

here is what makes this very sketchy for me...

1: hes leaving tonight at midnight
2: you would have to pay him or someone RIGHT NOW wheels unseen by anyone for this to happen in time
3: Wheels are passing through too many hands
4: I dont personally trust anyone to inspect parts for me, im pickier than other people
5: you are burdening someone with the task of packing them and shipping them to you in canada, which is a pain in the ***... and just cause someone is a member on this forum doesnt offer any guarentee that you will ever see the wheels or they will pack them correctly or in a legit time frame.
6: they have been refinished, and you dont have enough time to have them REALLY inspected to make sure they werent totally trashed before the refinish, because hes leaving tonight.
7: I would never spent 3 grand in an emergency HAVE TO BUY TONIGHT kind of deal... too much pressure makes it too sketchy and uncomfortable.

so... i mean, it could be the deal of a lifetime.. i just personally would pass on the transaction, i see amazing deals once a week.


phunk 11-03-2010 03:11 PM

lastly... i would lose sleep until they got to me... worrying about how good the refinish turned out. I have had a lot of cars painted and a lot of things powdercoated and i have learned over the years what 90% of the world thinks looks like great paint/powdercoating, looks like complete *** to me. thats the last ill say about it.... of course the decision is yours and i shouldnt force my opinion on you... i just wouldnt want anyone to end up in the miserable situation i fear could happen.

Jjaden 11-03-2010 03:33 PM

I think I was getting too caught up in getting a good deal.

The great thing about winter rolling in here in under a month is I have plenty of time on my hands.

I'll wait this out, when the guy returns if a forum member is willing to check them out and take pics I can make a decision at that point and maybe even negotiate on the price.

If the deals falls through, it wasn't meant to be.

I appreciate everyone's help on this one....

I guess that's the problem when you've had your eye on a set of wheels for a few months and are always checking craigslist, when a deal comes a long you get jumpy.....

Big thanks to Phelan for getting back to me so quickly via PM and his willingness to help me out, also to OMG for offering to take a look at the wheels, also phunk for giving me a few pointers and making me consider other options.

wishihadnav 11-03-2010 04:26 PM

i'll do it for $200...lol jp...sent you a PM..

Waiz 11-03-2010 08:24 PM

Copied from another forum:

-ALL 19" sized REAL TE-37s come with embossing (Rays, Volk Racing, etc);
-ALL 20" sized REAL TE-37s come with embossing (Rays, Volk Racing, etc);
-ONLY SOME 18" sized REAL te-37s come with embossing-- there are some sizes that do NOT (i.e. the 18x9.5 and 10.5s in the Z +22 offsets)

In order to combat the fake Volks the following changes have now been made by Rays:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/...99c2c5d3_o.jpg

TMWS 11-05-2010 12:51 AM

i love forums because people are such jokers here.
who cares if they look exactly like the real thing.
unless your are getting them from an authorized dealer or someone that can prove that they bought the wheels from one, i would be cautious.
in bangkok every third honda jazz, every other toyota yaris(yar-it if your thai), almost every toyota alphard(it's a pimp *** 140k usd van for those of you who have seen very little in this world) and most of the civics', camrys', nissan teannas'(they tend to use works more of often) HAS A SET OF TE37 THAT YOU COULDN'T THE DIFFERENCE UNTIL YOU CRASH INTO A CURB LMAO. Too bad the shop there tell you its fake and charge you the fake prices but here in NA most people don't have that kind of courtesy or the buyer is just out to lunch. i will post pics next time im there. btw i have been to places in the city where the rent is 150 usd for 600sqft but every car in the parking lot has at the very least a brembo bbk. i thought those were real too, NOT lol

03Z33 11-05-2010 12:19 PM

My concern would be that there is no way the paint is going to match front to back since only two of the wheels were powdercoated. The Volk matte black is not like any matte or satin black powdercoat I've ever seen.

Waiz 11-05-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TMWS (Post 796943)
i love forums because people are such jokers here.
who cares if they look exactly like the real thing.
unless your are getting them from an authorized dealer or someone that can prove that they bought the wheels from one, i would be cautious.
in bangkok every third honda jazz, every other toyota yaris(yar-it if your thai), almost every toyota alphard(it's a pimp *** 140k usd van for those of you who have seen very little in this world) and most of the civics', camrys', nissan teannas'(they tend to use works more of often) HAS A SET OF TE37 THAT YOU COULDN'T THE DIFFERENCE UNTIL YOU CRASH INTO A CURB LMAO. Too bad the shop there tell you its fake and charge you the fake prices but here in NA most people don't have that kind of courtesy or the buyer is just out to lunch. i will post pics next time im there. btw i have been to places in the city where the rent is 150 usd for 600sqft but every car in the parking lot has at the very least a brembo bbk. i thought those were real too, NOT lol

I could tell the difference, so could you if you read my post.

TMWS 11-05-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 797765)
I could tell the difference, so could you if you read my post.

let me reiterate myself
those features that you posted can be made and are made during the extensive bootlegging process.lol. a single "A" bootleg will have those features

like i said when i get a chance i will post pics

i can agree with the fact that you should only purchase vr wheels from an authorize agent the rest of that crap can be made sorry to say.

Waiz 11-06-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMWS (Post 798396)
let me reiterate myself
those features that you posted can be made and are made during the extensive bootlegging process.lol. a single "A" bootleg will have those features

like i said when i get a chance i will post pics

i can agree with the fact that you should only purchase vr wheels from an authorize agent the rest of that crap can be made sorry to say.

You can dress up a tranny to look like a woman and they will still be a man with their clothes off.

Conversely, put the fake TE on a scale and that POS will be heavy from the cast forging as opposed to the forged lightweight wheel that the authentic will be.

TMWS 11-06-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 798715)
You can dress up a tranny to look like a woman and they will still be a man with their clothes off.

Conversely, put the fake TE on a scale and that POS will be heavy from the cast forging as opposed to the forged lightweight wheel that the authentic will be.

I agree with you.
The weighing them will most likey screen out a fake.
Thanks for agreeing with me that your post about the markings being an anti-counterfeiting measure is complete bs. It would probably work for some low grade counterfeits. I said single "A" meaning that it comes from a factory with ISO certification and that the wheels are actually aluminum. So those markings are no obstacle. but the whole weighing thing is pretty good, as good or even better then getting from an authorize dealer. there is no escaping that unless your scale is busted.


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