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rockhounds 10-05-2010 08:03 AM

Mi front tires wore down completely with 4,000 miles
 
I really need help guys. I got my car aligned few months ago and since then, my front tires have been wearing down too fast that it looks like slick now. The rear tires are like new since my 370Z Nismo is 2010 and has only 4,000 miles. I took the car to Nissan for re-alignment and they said the following:

Front Camber: -0.5 -0.9 before and -0.5 -0.6 after.

Front Caster: 4.8 -4.8 before and 4.6 -4.8 after.

Front Toe: 0.44 -0.72 before and 0.05 -0.05 after.

Rear Camber: -2.3 -1.2 before and -1.6 -1.5 after.

Rear Toe: 0.05 -0.48 before and -0.09 -0.09 after.

Would you think that these mismatching numbers are related to the issue I'm experiencing? I'm worried about replacing the front tires and the issue comes up again.

Thanks for your help.

ClemsonWill 10-05-2010 08:12 AM

Your front toe looks like it was way off. That would kill your tires pretty quickly.

Zerafian 10-05-2010 08:35 AM

Id like to know how the hell your toe got off that bad in the first place having just stock rims, toe rods, and camber arms. Bad toe is what will destroy a tire though so yeah thats whats causing your tire wear.

That front toe is nasty tho.

TreeSemdyZee 10-05-2010 10:26 AM

I'm surprised you could even steer the car with the toe that far off.
I'd sure make whoever did the alignment pay for new tires. They obviously didn't know what they were doing. They either mis-aligned or didn't tighten things down after they did the alignment. Either way, they screwed up.

kenchan 10-05-2010 11:19 AM

wow...did you run over a cow or hippo? :icon14:

SoCal 370Z 10-05-2010 11:21 AM

Was it a Nissan dealership that aligned your Z or another shop?

kenchan 10-05-2010 11:23 AM

why are you showing negative numbers on the AFTER? negative toe = toe-out.

you need positive no's...

i think your thrust angle is screwed up still... wat was the value of that? :confused:

Red__Zed 10-05-2010 12:24 PM

Holy toe batman!

azn370z 10-05-2010 01:27 PM

I agree it would be the toe. You want negative toe because on a rwd the toe will change toward positive when the car moves forward. If you can't get the alignment to oem setting it may mean something is bent and need to be replaced.

kenchan 10-05-2010 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azn370z (Post 752023)
You want negative toe because on a rwd the toe will change toward positive when the car moves forward.

:icon14: im pretty sure it's the other way around...

ClemsonWill 10-05-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 752090)
:icon14: im pretty sure it's the other way around...


:iagree:

azn370z 10-05-2010 03:59 PM

Negative toe means toe in, wheels point in
positive toe means toe out, wheels point out

kenchan 10-05-2010 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azn370z (Post 752329)
Negative toe means toe in, wheels point in
positive toe means toe out, wheels point out

:wtf2:

azn370z 10-05-2010 04:23 PM

Hmm I guess for some people a picture helps.

toe in - Google Search

kenchan 10-05-2010 04:35 PM

yah, i know wat a toe-in condition is. thanks for the link.

basically our suspension requires toe-in for stability. the toe goes out wards (negative) when suspension is compressed. some folks use toe-out condition on purpose for quicker steering input response, etc. but for normal driving you'd probably want 0.02 to 0.05 degree toe in on the front per side, about 0.05 to 0.12 on the rear.

but that's just me.

red6spd 10-05-2010 04:44 PM

Didnt you crash your Z???? Could explain alot.

kenchan 10-05-2010 04:48 PM

they didn't align the car after a crash? :icon14:

rockhounds 10-06-2010 09:44 AM

I crashed the back and Nissan was using the 350z specs for alignment since they told me they didn't have the 370z Nismo specs at that time. And know they say that's not the reason why my tires wore down. Really don't know what to do... any thoughts?

Thanks for your help guys

kenchan 10-06-2010 09:52 AM

your alignment shop should have 370z specs by now. if not, take a copy of the service manual. your alignment is definitely screwed.

Red__Zed 10-06-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockhounds (Post 753180)
I crashed the back and Nissan was using the 350z specs for alignment since they told me they didn't have the 370z Nismo specs at that time. And know they say that's not the reason why my tires wore down. Really don't know what to do... any thoughts?

Thanks for your help guys

No alignment specs would call for that sort of toe.

SoCal 370Z 10-06-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockhounds (Post 753180)
I crashed the back and Nissan was using the 350z specs for alignment since they told me they didn't have the 370z Nismo specs at that time. And know they say that's not the reason why my tires wore down.

WTF? Seriously, why on earth were they allowed to use 350Z specs on a 370Z? In my book they owe you tires. :shakes head:

TreeSemdyZee 10-06-2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockhounds (Post 753180)
I crashed the back and Nissan was using the 350z specs for alignment since they told me they didn't have the 370z Nismo specs at that time. And know they say that's not the reason why my tires wore down. Really don't know what to do... any thoughts?

Thanks for your help guys

Yeah. They're completely full of crap. There isn't a vehicle on the planet that uses that much negative toe. I've got the 350 numbers from an old alignment if you want 'em.

rockhounds 10-06-2010 03:18 PM

I took the car back to them few minutes ago. They will talk to Nissan about what's going on but if they don't take the responsibility about replacing my tires I will go on court for sure. Now I'm hearing some sort of crackling coming up from the suspension when I'm steering to the right... it could cause any damage to the frame/suspension overall? Thanks a lot guys for your help.

kenchan 10-06-2010 03:50 PM

yah, our tires are north of 1100 installed so definitely take it up as needed.

not sure about the crackling... is that when you physically turn the steering wheel to the right without moving forward? could be your strut.

TreeSemdyZee 10-06-2010 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockhounds (Post 753786)
I took the car back to them few minutes ago. They will talk to Nissan about what's going on but if they don't take the responsibility about replacing my tires I will go on court for sure. Now I'm hearing some sort of crackling coming up from the suspension when I'm steering to the right... it could cause any damage to the frame/suspension overall? Thanks a lot guys for your help.

Could actually be very bad. Not to freak you out, but my grandmother was killed when a tie-rod busted in the car they were driving. I would suggest finding an extremely reputable suspension place and have them inspect it for any damage. Get their evaluation in writing with pertinent info highlighted.


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