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dad 04-27-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy (Post 515073)
OK lets examine each one of these:

1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.

This one sounds reasonable, plausible and probable. So I will experience a decrease in the number of times I would need to inflate the tires.

Score a +1 for your bullet point.

I had to get two new tires(non z car,jfi)! New tires on the rear, old tires (but good tread) moved to the front. Rear new tires, were nitrogen filled(free, no charge, I didn't even request it).
That was 2 months ago, I check the pressure on the 1st of each month faithfully!
The front tires, I have had to add a pound or two of air each time. The rear nitrogen tires have maintained the same pressure.

SigPapa226 04-27-2010 05:14 PM

I use Nitrogen, but I don't inhale!

kevr6 04-27-2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 513328)
I could go scourer the internet for a source, but youll just have to take my word, I am a mechanic after all and have no reason to deceive you. Ive fixed many a wheel speed sensor because of the low tire light. The system isnt nearly as technical as your audi system, but it has been around for a while.

A ten second Google search isn't scourer. I deal with technicians all day everyday...who cares that your a tech. Your probably a shadetree tech anyway since your on these forums. You not an engineer that developed anything, so what good is your word against all these organizations and manufacturers who promote Nitrogen. That's my point!!

If you want to state your opinion then that's ok!! I keep repeating myself about first hand experience and nobody states that they've tried it and it didn't make some difference. No real comparison study. That's my basis for arguement. Not that I am a pro and you should listen to me!!!! :icon14:

Bottom line, you can listen to folks who sit in front of a computer and analyze things and make generalized statements when a legitimate question is asked or you can listen to first hand experience w/ actual comparisons.(based on initial skepticism)

DONE! You'll be happy to know I'm done here! I'm sure you'll need the last word! :rolleyes:

6spd 04-27-2010 07:31 PM

panties in a bunch much, jeez. you contradicted yourself anyway. my statements come from actual experience and whether you choose to believe it or not is your prerogative. this isnt some college class where i have to APA cite every damn statement i make.

now that he's gone, back to the topic. i guess the moral of the story with nitrogen is if you feel it is worth your money, go for it, if not, don't. just be aware that there is much hype surrounding this stuff.

DEVIL_Z 04-27-2010 07:48 PM

nitrogen sucks every new car i have ever bought had nitrogen. shi t flattens quick within a few days. and I was told its better then regular air. yahhhhh right..

SPOHN 04-27-2010 07:56 PM

Who cares? What can your car do on the track is what I care about.

IDZRVIT 04-29-2010 06:13 AM

The air I breathe has worked for me for 40 years. I check my tires for pressure about once a month on 3 cars and 2 bikes. Most times the air pressure hasn't dropped enough to show up on my guage. If it has dropped, I flash up my compressor and add the required amount. On one ocassion, I had new tires filled with nitrogen. Those tires lost pressure over time just like they were filled with the air that I breathe. Did I get ripped off? I don't know of any way to check if the tire actually has nitrogen or not. Is there an easy way?

ChrisSlicks 04-29-2010 10:48 AM

My wheels (on my car) sat all winter and didn't lose any pressure at all with regular air when measured at equal temperature. According to my "tire guy" most of the pressure loss occurs as the rims get a few years older and oxidation occurs on the surface of the aluminum preventing a perfect seal. There are various methods to fix this during a tire swap, but only the good shops seem to bother. Of course there are plenty of other ways to lose air pressure such as leaky valve cores, hidden punctures etc. Also note that using a tank air compressor with water trap filter will give better results than a portable tankless compressor.

6spd 04-29-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 518300)
My wheels (on my car) sat all winter and didn't lose any pressure at all with regular air when measured at equal temperature. According to my "tire guy" most of the pressure loss occurs as the rims get a few years older and oxidation occurs on the surface of the aluminum preventing a perfect seal. There are various methods to fix this during a tire swap, but only the good shops seem to bother. Of course there are plenty of other ways to lose air pressure such as leaky valve cores, hidden punctures etc. Also note that using a tank air compressor with water trap filter will give better results than a portable tankless compressor.

yes, perfectly said:tup:

kannibul 04-29-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid_G (Post 510299)
Scam scam scam.. Whats awesome is the "Discount Tire" and tire chain stores charge you for it..

oh and hahaha.. that .pdf you attached is painful to read..

"Nitrogen dissipates heat, reducing rolling resistance and therefore enhancing fuel economy."

What a crock..

Decreases rolling resistance...lol...

JUst like everything in JC Whitney adds 5HP and 10% better MPG.

Juleous 07-03-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 4r3s (Post 510665)
I only do 78% nitorogen

This made me laugh, not sure if anyone else got the joke?:bowrofl:

dad 07-04-2010 12:46 AM

The rear nitrogen tires have maintained the same pressure. Checked today, refer to post46.

pbs370z 07-11-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 510281)
nitrogen is more stable under different temps... i dont use it though.

I don't know what people mean when they say N is more stable.

Remembering high school physics: P1T1 = P2T2. (Correction? P1/T1 = P2/T2). In other words, you heat a gas up a certain amount then the pressure goes up a certain amount. Doesn't matter what gas you're talking about. Maybe they mean no Oxygen is safer and better (uh, less oxidation). Ya, I'll buy that.

Anyways, I just bought a Coupe w/Sport pkg today (yahoo!), and it has green caps on the valve stems. Does that mean they put Nitrogen in the tires, or are they just pretty green caps?

fullmonty 07-11-2010 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Juleous (Post 604918)
This made me laugh, not sure if anyone else got the joke?:bowrofl:

Hahahaha ya I did

Trips 07-11-2010 01:49 AM

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