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jlo370z 05-07-2013 07:23 AM

Vendors new internet sales tax
 
now that the government seems to want to tax us more, and change the way we do business, im wondering how will this have an impact on how you do business, or whom you do business with?

Chuck33079 05-07-2013 07:30 AM

It's not going to change who I buy parts from. If I buy something in a store, I'm paying sales tax. Now it's also going to apply to internet purchases. Oh well. I'll just bitch about it and order it anyway.

SurfDog 05-07-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2304075)
It's not going to change who I buy parts from. If I buy something in a store, I'm paying sales tax. Now it's also going to apply to internet purchases. Oh well. I'll just bitch about it and order it anyway.

You still will have to pay shipping, so all the government's "leveling the playing field" crap is just more interventionist ********. They are picking winners and losers (again) and stomping on a great part of our economy. Most taxes are unconstitutional already and the fed has no business... Oops sorry. Ranting again.

WhiskeyHotel 05-07-2013 07:45 AM

Yea, I don't buy on line because I save money on sales tax. I buy on line because the local stores don't have any of the sh$t I want.

theDreamer 05-07-2013 07:53 AM

At most it will cause companies to look at new ways to cut some cost.
Honestly, certain internet companies need to rethink how they do business. I can buy almost anything for computers, electronics, etc cheaper online, get it in 2-3 days and get free shipping. Now how is it that I cannot do that with many aftermarket companies for my car?

And don't mention size or weight because I have had TV's and large desktops with multiple monitors shipped for free in under 3 days.

Chuck33079 05-07-2013 08:20 AM

Internet vendors usually can make better deals and/or toss in free shipping. Plus, no one seems to stock 370 parts locally. The sales tax isn't really an issue other than being annoying. Good internet vendors will adjust their prices accordingly.

Mike 05-07-2013 08:55 PM

95% of my customers are mail order with my powdercoating. I don't think it will affect their decision to use me, but its going to be a nucking fightmare to figure out how to pay sales tax to all of the states. I use paypal for my credit card processing as well as regular paypal payments, so I'm hoping they will offer an integrated solution. Its a pain enough having to file georgia sales tax.

Red__Zed 05-07-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2304094)
At most it will cause companies to look at new ways to cut some cost.
Honestly, certain internet companies need to rethink how they do business. I can buy almost anything for computers, electronics, etc cheaper online, get it in 2-3 days and get free shipping. Now how is it that I cannot do that with many aftermarket companies for my car?

And don't mention size or weight because I have had TV's and large desktops with multiple monitors shipped for free in under 3 days.


It's all about scale.

jlo370z 05-07-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2305378)
95% of my customers are mail order with my powdercoating. I don't think it will affect their decision to use me, but its going to be a nucking fightmare to figure out how to pay sales tax to all of the states. I use paypal for my credit card processing as well as regular paypal payments, so I'm hoping they will offer an integrated solution. Its a pain enough having to file georgia sales tax.

if the tax was a flat rate across a state it wouldnt be so bad, but i heard on the news this morning there is some 9200 different tax rates per county out there, that you will have to correctly bill your customer and report.

Kayzee 05-07-2013 11:19 PM

Damn, my most expensive purchases are usually online. To think i dropped 5k on car mods recently and that i'd have to come up with another 500 for nothing is pretty angering

Chuck33079 05-07-2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jlo370z (Post 2305502)
i heard on the news this morning there is some 9200 different tax rates per county out there, that you will have to correctly bill your customer and report.

Sweet Jesus. It's a jobs bill for CPAs.

theDreamer 05-08-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2305390)
It's all about scale.

I agree, but some aftermarket car companies operate at these economic scales and are definitely adding revenue via the shipping cost. Now I can understand if UPS/Fedex/DHL charges them X price to ship an item and that cost is translated directly to the customer but many times I see a 5-10lb package costing 20 bucks to ship, no way that is the real cost even throwing in labor of printing a shipping label and such.

Red__Zed 05-08-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2305794)
I agree, but some aftermarket car companies operate at these economic scales and are definitely adding revenue via the shipping cost. Now I can understand if UPS/Fedex/DHL charges them X price to ship an item and that cost is translated directly to the customer but many times I see a 5-10lb package costing 20 bucks to ship, no way that is the real cost even throwing in labor of printing a shipping label and such.

if they don't get a discount, that's about right.

A 10lb (billable) box costs $17.36 to get from DC to NY. More if you are going farther. More if you want them to pick it up (and if you don't you have to factor in the cost of the drop-off). And more if the box bills for more than it weights.

Add in the cost of packaging/labor/etc and it's about right for most car parts dealers.

We've been spoiled by companies like Amazon, who pay almost nothing for shipping. From what I understand, UPS discounts their shipping rates by upwards of 80%--and FedEx discounts them even more.

MZ370Z 05-09-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2304075)
It's not going to change who I buy parts from. If I buy something in a store, I'm paying sales tax. Now it's also going to apply to internet purchases. Oh well. I'll just bitch about it and order it anyway.

My cigars are going to be much more expensive... :mad:

Mike 05-09-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jlo370z (Post 2305502)
if the tax was a flat rate across a state it wouldnt be so bad, but i heard on the news this morning there is some 9200 different tax rates per county out there, that you will have to correctly bill your customer and report.

Screw that. I can be a junior captain at the airline instead of a senior first officer and make 95% of what I make with the two jobs. It might be time to retire from powdercoating if its going to be that much of a hassle.

theDreamer 05-10-2013 08:00 AM

Even if this does pass, it will be probably 6 months to a year before they can even think of enforcing it. Add on top of that someone will sue which will delay it even longer.
I estimate a minimum of 2 years before this could even begin, add on top of that the IRS will want to meddle with this and we all know that will screw it even more.

Chuck33079 05-10-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2309146)
It might be time to retire from powdercoating if its going to be that much of a hassle.

Can you hold off on that for a few months? I was planning on sending you my calipers when it's time to deal with my brakes.

kenchan 05-21-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jlo370z (Post 2304060)
now that the government seems to want to tax us more, and change the way we do business, im wondering how will this have an impact on how you do business, or whom you do business with?

doesnt change anything for me because i pay use tax every year. been doing that for several years now because i buy tens of thousands every year from out of state (not just car stuff, house stuff too).

if local shops have the parts i want, in-stock immediately available, then they have no issue winning my business, but 99% of the time none of them do. they end up ordering it from their distributor which make no benefit to me vs buying from an online store at a lower competitive price.

i pay the basic sales tax if i buy online which is much lower than the local sales tax the shops are located. so it's still a win/win for me.

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Joe@ZSpeed 10-17-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2309146)
Screw that. I can be a junior captain at the airline instead of a senior first officer and make 95% of what I make with the two jobs. It might be time to retire from powdercoating if its going to be that much of a hassle.

I think we're OK Mike ;)

Marketplace Fairness Act Questions and Answers

Question: Will small businesses be protected from these new requirements?

Yes.

Online sellers with less than $1,000,000 in remote sales annually will be exempt from collection requirements. Remote sales are sales to customers in states where the seller does not already have a physical presence.

dmhenderson 11-01-2013 09:51 AM

Basically, this amounts to the government wanting a piece of major online retailers like amazon and best buy.

DEpointfive0 11-01-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2305378)
95% of my customers are mail order with my powdercoating. I don't think it will affect their decision to use me, but its going to be a nucking fightmare to figure out how to pay sales tax to all of the states. I use paypal for my credit card processing as well as regular paypal payments, so I'm hoping they will offer an integrated solution. Its a pain enough having to file georgia sales tax.

You pay tax on that? God bless your soul Mike


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Then again, your car is red/black...

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And says "ThePowderCoater.com" on the side...


God know's I wouldn't claim half, maybe 90% on my taxes, lol

Mike 11-01-2013 10:54 AM

I'm well in the 6 figures in revenue, have to keep it on the up and up. I do write off my car and track expenses as advertising though.

DEpointfive0 11-01-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2550718)
I'm well in the 6 figures in revenue, have to keep it on the up and up. I do write off my car and track expenses as advertising though.

Lol, good

Any business I own will operate at a loss, unless I hit 500k net. And by that time, 500k net will mean 1M, lol

Chuck33079 11-01-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2550750)
Lol, good

Any business I own will operate at a loss, unless I hit 500k net. And by that time, 500k net will mean 1M, lol

For two years. Gotta show a profit in the third, unless you want it to be declared a hobby and have your business deductions disallowed for the previous years. ;)

DEpointfive0 11-01-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2550756)
For two years. Gotta show a profit in the third, unless you want it to be declared a hobby and have your business deductions disallowed for the previous years. ;)

Change the name of the corporation every 2 years, bam done. You forgot I'm the bastard Iranian, lol

Chuck33079 11-01-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2550767)
Change the name of the corporation every 2 years, bam done. You forgot I'm the bastard Iranian, lol

As long as you're getting a new tax ID every two years you might be ok.

Mike 11-01-2013 11:23 AM

Once I upgrade to Captain at the airline in a year or two, I plan on scaling back about 80-90% and only doing business for the shops that I currently do work for, and operating at a loss for a few years. Been doing two full time jobs for 7 years now, and its getting old.

osbornsm 11-08-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2550781)
Been doing two full time jobs for 7 years now, and its getting old.

So you'll be powdercoating full time now !!! :icon17:


And i wonder if they're gonna tax mail order brides too.... hmmm...
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