yup, burned to the ******* ground lol

We can talk about that or I can post some logs..

John

Another vendor is offering something where if you do you like it you can return it.

I offer the same thing but dont need 5 guys buying tunes and saying they dont like it and wanting their money back.


I'm looking for a log now, Im posting it because that's what people seem to want.. don't know how the log proves anything..

John

Why wouldn't the guys like you're tune? Thought u were the best n biggest ecutek dealer?
Already being negative before u even try??? Uhh ohhh

That's a laughing matter to you? Wow.

Some people have expectations that aren't realistic , it's a NA car..

John

**** happens, no one got hurt, guy got paid with-in 5 business days, I'm not legally involved in anything, it's a screwed up situation , I just roll my eyes when people talk about it. People make it seem its like something its not.

I haven't talked about it too much because there is currently legal action going on between other partys*. That's all I care to say on the subject

John

Fair enough. I would have chosen to express myself differently considering the situation and the publicity, but that's just me.

Found some really good logs..

I have a stock car logged, then my final tune which shows actual ignition timing, and what the car would have ran is EcuTek wasnt on it

Give me a min

Sounds good.

What about the boosted guy? Think Guise is running ecutek? Would like to hear ur opinion on how good ecutek works on boosted vq's

:driving::eekdance: waiting ;)

Well, I was expecting a CSV, but this does show 30 degrees being commanded and logged, which is a touch more than I've ever seen my own ECU do under any condition. (At WOT above 6k RPM)


Curious how your much more linear timing curve affects low/mid range response, but you can definitely tell the Nissan code isn't at work there.

Looks like you can definitely get 2-3 more degrees of timing with EcuTek than you can hope for with Uprev. :tup:

What you can take away from this is how inconsistent the factory timing control is on these cars.

Nothing has changed mechanically on the car yet the factory ecu runs a different timing curve almost every time I pull the car.

For those NA guys this might not be a big deal because it's not going to blow up your motor, but on forced induction guys that extra 2 degrees of timing the ecu *might* add could be a problem.

With the EcuTek's RaceRom ignition control we are able to bypass the OEM timing logic which is in calculated burn time with real ignition maps that do what we want all while keeping Knock Control

John

Just to be clear though, the parameter "Ignition Timing ()" is a MEASURED/OBSERVED reading, not a commanded reading, correct?

Just like I can log commanded AFR vs the actual observed AFR.

Curious, this is on the dyno, yes? Dynojet?

I've never logged on a Dynojet, only a Mustang and on the street, so the loads are a lot different. Just trying to reconcile what the stock ECU commanded there vs what mine commanded in the same conditions.

Correct, Ignition Timing is what the motor is actually seeing after air intake temp comps and knock control.. its the final value ran NOT commaned

EcuTek has some more advanced datalog parameters that can only be logged with one of their flashes. One of those parameters is Ignition Timing Calculated, which shows what the car would have ran if you were using OEM timing control.

Was on a mustang dyno

John

Wow interesting.

Never had my car (stock) do anything more than 27 degrees on the dyno, 24-26 was the norm.

Now I can expect 28 regularly depending on coolant temp, which is a lot more stable with the huge radiator.

Wonder if the G's huge front cooling surface area has anything to do with that.

Anyway, thanks for all the info. :tup:

This car was the strongest baseline I've ever had..

So yes, this car ran a few more degrees of timing than the others.. That's the thing, these cars have a dynamic timing control, it can switch between 3-4 different timing maps that have all these crazy multipliers.. You change one table and the car switches to another set of tables.. which is why the timing is often not the the same.

Different ECU versions have crazier timing control than others.

John

Dammit, I can't see the log because of the firewall at work.

txt me and I'll send you a pic from my phone

203-856-9946

Thanks John. Shovel threw it my way. That does look nice. The boost control is still "coming soon", right?

Its a long story. John and I have had some struggles. Between **** breaking, being 4-5hours away, and some unfortunate life changes things have been moving slow. Im hoping to get back up there soon and get everything finalized. I just don't want to give my full review yet until then. Most of the slowness is just the fact Im custom. Were having to fix and change things that all of these other companies were able to do during the R&D phase.


John, if you still have it...Im sure these fellas would like to see my last dyno pull. I would've posted it but I left the print out at the garage.

I dont have it handy, I'll try to grab it next time I'm on the dyno.. maybe saturday

John

That's one of the many things

John

Told you to make that switch

2 part question- One, Ecutek allows VVEL adjustment? Is there gains to be made for boosted cars by dialing out some of the overlap?

Yes

I haven't touched it on a boosted car yet.. I dont feel like paying for a motor

John

That's the problem. Nobody, myself included, is willing to roll those dice. :rofl2:

It should make more power if we don't blow half the boost out the other side, but I'll be damned if I'm the first one to figure out where it blows up.

Im contemplating an ebay motor...found them for 2k already.

VVEL effects ignition timing big time with the oem ecu code.

I did a lot of testing on the NA car, wasnt super impressed with the results.

turbo car it could be different.. I rather work on other things first

John

Could u elaborate on what you mean by this? Are boosted guys gonna see gains or smoother n better drivability?

Boosted guys/gals are going to see a consistent timing curve, unless there is some kind of knock.

Take a look at the log i sent before, the cars timing curve is all over the place, even if you tune the car using OEM maps the car still has the control to change ignition timing for optimization.. which is meant for NA.

I personally rather have a car that has the same amount of power everytime I touch the gas

John

Sorry put this in the wrong thread? But I have no clue how to read this thing, John those timing logs looked good?

This is your car stock?

Yea bolt ons an stock tune , :) I made a little more than my UPREV tune
Don't have the RHFCS tho on my UPREV tune I have an over lay on here
Finally made it to the dyno "thread " WHP is in my sig

All I can say is WOW, I have been talking to John the last day, I he has helped me a lot, talked to me on the phone last night about the tunning timing tables and why it better than UPREV. Just wanted everyone to know he IS super helpful, An BTW I didn't have to buy anything from him, He genuinely help me out!! :)

Lets try and keep this thread going guys -

Is everyone in here putting their car in storage for the winter? Just about snowing over here right now

John

John, how much is your package to buy. I have uprev now thinking of switching can you convince me?