Motion Lab Tuned Nismo 484whp/400wtq @ 12.5psi w/ Vortech impeller on the Stillen S/C
 

Shop: Motion Lab Tuning
Dyno Type: Dynocom FX5000-AWD
Boost: 12.5psi
Fuel: 93OCT
Target AFR: 11.5:1
SAE Corrections: Default Corrections
Peak HP at RPM: 484whp @ 6500 RPMs
Peak Torque at RPM: 400wtq @ 5750 RPMs
Transmission: Stock 6speed
Gear: 4th
Engine Management: UpRev Osiris tuning suite
Engine/Power Modifications:

• Stillen supercharger kit w/ Vortech impeller upgrade
• DW 1000cc injectors
• DW 320LPH fuel pump
• GTM Resonated Test Pipes
• Berk Technology Cat-back exhaust
• GT-R Spark plugs
• z1motorsports clutch kit and lightweight flywheel
• 34Row SETRAB oil cooler w/ custom built lines.
• Turbosmart BPV

Here are the most resent results from a tuning session we had with the Nismo Z with the Vortech upgraded Stillen supercharger kit. We were loosing boost up on the top end during our last session so we tried to take some steps to make sure we were getting everything we could out of it. We replaced the belt and swapped out to the Turbosmart dualport bpv. Also since the last tuning session we switched to the GTM Resonated test pipes and the Berk Technology dual exhaust. The car sounds absolutely ridiculous now! Our customer Nate was amped up and from checking the forums he said we seem to have helped him create the highest HP supercharged 370z ever posted. The car pulled 484whp and 400wtq on the first pull. The graph looked decent but we continued to clean it up some. After working on it for another hour or so we rolled off the dyno with right around 465whp once the heatsoak took hold, but with a smoother graph and more power in the mid range thanks to the VVEL tuning.


Highest run HP/TQ w/ Boost Graph:
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8b9f9d20.jpg


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Thanks for looking!
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com
MotionLabTuning.com - Engineering Performance

Good results, will update the finished builds thread.

Can you elaborate a little?

So this Stillen SC kit is no longer a Stillen but a vortech correct?

I thought it was always a Vortech blower.

As you can see the graph wasn't perfectly smooth like some of the others we have posted. It might be tolerable This was our highest peak power run, but it was also one of the first pulls of the day so there was much less heat soak. We continued to adjust the VVEL, fuel, and timing tables after this initial pull. I'm confident the car would make even more power on a cool run at this point. However by the time the tuning session was totally complete the heatsoak was robbing us of roughly 15-20hp peak power, but with the additional VVEL tuning we were making more power everywhere else on the graph.

Yes this kit uses the V3-SCi trim blower. The 928Motorsport impeller does not fit this particular blower. Vortech however has a factory upgrade impeller that is larger than the one included in the out of the box stillen kit. This impeller seems to make good power increase over the 928Motorsport impeller, which we have also tuned, that puts out around 420-430whp.

It is and always will be a Vortech blower, there's just not much left that is Stillen about this particular kit outside of the intake manifold and their bracket :tup:


Thanks for the comments and questions guys!


Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Actually, I was hoping for a little more in depth expanation of the changes to the VVEL specifically. A lot of us boosted guys have been waiting (im)patiently for the results of tweaking the VVEL.

Ill see if my tuner can chime in additionally this afternoon for a more in depth explanation or what was done. We have been meaning to do a little write-up on it. Every Z we have been playing with we have been picking up power in the mid-range, and making the torque curve fatter. Great technology, I'm just not the right person to tell you what exactly was done and how the software works. Also once he is done in the dyno room I will be able to grab the other graph and overlay them to show the changes in the midrange.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

And now I have wood.

wow, 400 tq on Stillen kit, that's amazing.
So the only upgrade is the Vortech impeller kit, no other pulley, tubing, MAF upgrades, right?
is it possible to see the pre-VVEL dyno graph on this?

But job well done Motion Lab.


BTW, you've two CBE's listed.

From what I think OP said was its pretty much no longer a Stillen kit. The title will be confusing to some.

Cant wait to get my Z up there for y'all to work on! Definitely thinking about doing that impeller upgrade now. Do you think I should go with the Turbosmart BPV you guys used here?

We upgraded the original Impeller with the largest one that Vortech offers for the V3-SCi blower. We also swapped out the injectors and fuel pump to make sure we weren't running high IDC when approaching that 500hp mark. Along with the impeller he also already had the smaller pulley. We have not exceeded the MAF sensors yet, however I think during the last session we were getting pretty damned close.

Well we tuned it when it made 460whp and had already began to play with the VVEL. We were able to pick up even more with additional time on the VVEL calibration, but I would really need the original charts from where he made around 420 or 430whp to reflect the true differences in the mid range. Not sure if he still has that or not.

Also thanks for pointing that out I corrected the list. We moved from the NISMO to the Berk. We also swapped out the Motordyne ART Pipes for GTM Resonated test pipes.

Its still a Stillen kit regarding where it sits and the pipe routing. However since installing the original kit we have upgraded the injectors, fuel pump, supercharger impeller, supercharger pulley, and the BPV. Hes been modding the kit since he got it haha.

Dan,

The impeller upgrade made the power jump up pretty good for sure! He is also running the smaller pulley. I think adding the turbosmart into the mix isn't a bad idea. The Stillen valve isn't bad, its just not designed to be pushing as much boost. It would be a good addition to ensure we weren't leaking boost out of the BPV, but not %100 required for what we have discussed doing on yours currently. I think only until we were pushing 10+ psi did it present an issue. 9-10 psi it seemed to behave fine. The turbosmart also makes cool noises :tup:.

Also I will have your Quaife diff sooner than we thought. Itll be here Tomorrow! Ill send you some pictures when it arrives.


Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Original stillen blower with a modified wheel, stillen intake manifold, stillen intercooler pipe. Why would this not be considered a stillen kit? Kind of reminds me of the GTM 1.5 kit.

:icon18:. Well we will try and provide you with more wood-worthy info later!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

I was just joking regarding the kit. Obviously credit goes to Stillen because without their kit design he would have not had a nice Vortech blower in the engine bay to modify. There's not much left to do beyond a potential water/meth set-up to get some additional power out of the current kit.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

What? Did u not read the upgrades n changes made?

''Our customer Nate was amped up and from checking the forums he said we seem to have helped him create the highest HP supercharged 370z ever posted. ''

Well. This is the most over rated comment ever. My bud put down 515whp on dyno jet. No VVEL tuning or meth. GTM 1.5 Supercharger.

Just saying

What type dyno is this?

:iagree:

Ahh 516 don't cheat me Chris.lol

Probably means Stillen supercharger...

He does. Friend of mine.

Also, I think they have a Dyno Dynamics dyno. Seems to read quite a bit lower than some dynojets in the area, and maybe 1-2% higher than some mustang dynos.

in case you didn't know or can't seem to comprehend, most of the major components are still Stillen.

Nice job guys followed me LOL I made 460 on a AWD auto ;)
An how you made 70 more WTRQ an you guys didn't upgrade the MAF'S

You only have to find the tune the car likes and the HP & TQ will be strong.

This is similar to a Mustang dyno. It is a dynocom FX5000-AWD loaded dyno. It typically reads around %10 lower than a dynojet, but thats a general statement I obviously have no idea how the dynojet your buddy ran on was calibrated or what version of software it was using or if he has the load cell on it.

Congrats on your numbers. This car wasn't using any meth injection either, but it is in consideration for the future.

No need to be like that, the owner of the car and us realize that it is still a Stillen kit.:tup:

Your car took a lot more work to get to the same power level due to the higher drivetrain loss from the automatic, and AWD, drivetrain. Great numbers from your set-up!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

my comment wasn't meant for you Alex. You guys did a good job. :tup:

Why a 4th gear pull?

Thanx Alex for the reply, You guys are GREAT

I also have the turbosmart. DO you guys keep it on soft or hard? whats the difference? what is recommended?

Recommended setting is based on the amount of boost you are setup for and how much vacuum is being produced at idle. If the setting is too soft you will suffer from the Hyundai Genesis syndrome (seemingly making boost at idle/fluttery bov operation). Also the piston may not be able to remain closed at idle. If it's set too hard, the valve will not open enough (or at all in some cases). If this happens you will incur compressor surge.

So basically you want to start at the softest setting and with the car running, turn the tension up a bit passed the point where the piston remains closed at idle. Then have a friend rev the car and make sure that the valve opens during the vacuum fluctuations and you're set.

Thanks,
Steven Watson
StevenW@motionlabtuning.com

Ok cool makes some sense but you can't adjust that easy with the stillen kit with out having to take the intake completely off. Also I'm not understanding what compressor surge is either?

Hello Alex ...

Thanks for this post ...

I did almost the same thing with a few exceptions :
Most notably was not including the Turbosmart and the catback exhaust.
I have long tube headers instead of the Test Pipes.
I've had the stock Stillen SC'r on the car for 3 years and 30k+ miles.
Sent the SC'r back to Vortech for the complete rebuild.
The motor has 57k miles on it and was driven without malice.

The build was done locally here in NJ by a reputable tech ...

Picked up the car even though it had a few minor issues ... Cold Start which the tech said attributed to the injectors and he could tune out once I had some miles on the car.
Some throttle hunting and a few stalls also were there.

The tune yielded 483 whp and 378 tq @ 11.9 psi


Drove it a couple of hundred easy miles to break everything in ...
Checked the shop guru's to see if it was OK to take it to the drag strip.

Got the Go Ahead.

Arrived at the strip with a plan of running 4 passes making some adjustments along the way ... easing in to a full on pass.

1st pass I hit the rev limiter going in to 3rd ... a new shift light and it needed some adjustment ...

The pass went fairly well --- Until I went thru the traps at the top in 4th and 116mph.

Then I instinctively looked in the rear view mirror as I was about to brake.

Just as I lifted off the accelerator there was that ominous blue cloud of smoke coming from my pipes ...

That was the end of the day and the car is now back in the shop...

I'm looking at a new motor now ... but I still can't figure out what went wrong ... and certainly don't want to have this reoccur ...
The run was video'd by a spectator and it clearly showed the blue smoke AFTER the brakes ... none going down the track.
Search YouTube 370Z & Smoke for the pass ...

I have read many posts before committing to this upgraded build.

Any idea as to why the motor let go AFTER the pass as I lifted off the accelerator ???

Just need to be educated and pointed in the right direction ...

Thanks,

Thanks for checking out our work! I'll send you a message here as there is a lot to go over in this post. Talk to you soon!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Just a heads up for all following this thread ...
Alex at Motion Labs was a supporting force for my build ... a build that wasn't actually done at his shop.
It is an incredible testament to his credibility and concern for all of us 'Z' drivers to say the least.
Sometimes things just don't go according to plan when it comes to custom builds, and I am thankful for his input, experience, and willingness to smooth my ruffled feathers and mop up after a catastrophic failure such as I had experienced...
It says a lot about your character and dedication to us'n fellow enthusiasts!

:tiphat: Hats off to You !!!

Thank you, we are always happy to help a fellow enthusiast! Best of luck with continuing your project! We saw great results out of the Wiseco 9:1 pistons on a Vortech upgraded Stillen supercharged car not long ago. The additional timing in the mid range transformed how the car felt on the road. That combined with some high octane fuel or methanol injection would be pretty awesome! We only did pump gas while he was here so I would love to see results with better fuel!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

Great post with lots of useful information. Awesome work guys :)

NP man, thanks for checking out our results! Just PM me if you have any questions you need help with.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

:tup:

Fantastic work as always Alex!