Both our system and Cobbs system are license based. They use the handheld to bind the license to your ECU, we use the Cipher cable. With our system though you don't need to buy Cipher or a handheld device at an additional expense.

Osiris is $400USD retail, and can be tuned by any of our listed Pro Tuners for their fee. Cobb is $700USD retail and can be tuned only buy the resellers that have bought the licensing to do so.

Our system is not yet available for consumers on the 370Z, we're still updating interface software and doing more testing. We're already able to tune the G37 (first system to market from GT Motorsports available via their turbo kits) but we haven't released the full tuning version of the software to Pro Tuners or customers yet because we're still adding features and doing testing.

We will announce it on the forums and our website when Pro Tuners will have access to the software. We'd rather be the best software than the first commercially available software.

The capabilities of our system are far superior. We also add features continuously. We were the first to offer true forced induction support in the Nissan/Infiniti market. Technosquare had a very limited support for forced induction and it never really took off, most people used the Utec instead.

With our software people replace their piggyback/standalone unit and use the stock ECU because we have more reliability and better driveability.

When our software is released for the G37/370Z/GTR it will be the most powerful software available for tuning on these vehicles. We won't be the first to market on these vehicles but we'll be the replacement for whatever is available at the time.

I never received a license when i tuned with UpRev over @ Japtrix. or do i have to call and say im changing cars ?

^+1 we have done this for customers

The difference is the control the software has. The stock ECU in these newer Nissans is simply amazing. Leagues ahead of what the aftermarket builds as far as speed and capability.

We control more tables more accurately. We also give Pro Tuners and end user Tuners more access to additional features than anyone else. We also add features over time as customers have requirements that come up.

A Dyno Tune isn't just a dyno tune. If your tuner has more access and more absolute control the car will net more gain. Remember tuning isn't about power it's about efficiency. The more efficient you can make the motor run, the more power and the more mileage you'll net. One thing our customers have always raved about is the driveability. Anyone can add more fuel and push timing, but if you can't make the car drive better why bother? If I was spending $35k on a car, I wouldn't want it to drive like a busted old mid nineties turbo car.

It also depends on who your tuner is. We try and listen to feedback from customers as much as possible. We've cut off three of our Pro Tuners in the last 12 months because of customer complaints. If you look at our list of Pro Tuners you'll notice it grows constantly, and those names are some of the best in the industry.

As an aside, our software doesn't just work on the 350/370, G35/G37, Titan. it works on all Nissan and Infiniti vehicles that use the newer style ECU. We have customers with Versas, Sentras, Altimas, Patrols, Frontiers, Xterras, M35/45, FX35/45 running our software. No other company offers that kind of support for Nissan or Infiniti owners. Thats capability that no one else can offer, or even cares to offer. We also have Pro Tuners world wide and the list keeps growing.

The License is on your ECU. It can be pulled off and set back to stock by HP Logic if you're selling the car or taking it in for service.

Ok, so if i get rid of the car i have to go back to HP Logic and what would i receive back ? How much would i have to pay for this ?

We offer it both ways. The Pro Tuner can tune it for you, or if you want to tune it yourself you can buy that system also. We're far more flexible in our offerings than other companies also. That tends to be somewhat confusing to people as they aren't use to having choices. But it works for us.

Some people will buy the Osiris Tuner so they can adjust their car, but they will have a Pro Tuner set up the original tune on it. That way they can adjust their car for different tracks etc. They have the software available in the event something happens also. We have a tone of SCCA and NASA teams that use our software, and if a motor dies between events and they need to replace it, they will need to adjust that tune. Sometimes they don't have time to get a full new dyno tune between events, and we're their saving grace.

Other customers just want their car to run right, they don't care about having Cipher for data logging or diagnostics. They can go to a Pro Tuner, buy an Osiris License and a tune and be done. By far the cheapest solution on the market for that customer.

Also our system is upgradeable. Start with the Osiris License and a tune because thats what your budget allows, then add the Cipher at a later date. You can upgrade to Osiris Tuner even if you'd like.

as mentioned we can take the license off the ECU just give us a shout, we are no longer part of Japtrix, we are Horsepower Logic now and located in Royal Palm Beach you can see our contact info here HorsePower Logic

How about for a FI set up? Would it be worth going piggyback/standalone, or going with a cobb/uprev?

We have done Osiris with FI on 350Z and works great, we are planning on doing it with Cobb on a 370Z in the next few weeks so we will see how it performs in comparison.

So do we have any sort of ETA?

Yeah no kidding. I personally got a little chuckle when UpRev made the following claim:

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

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Technically, the product isn't out yet, so I don't know if he's violating rules or not.

I love the potential offered by the product, even though I'm not an owner. However, as much as I love what I have read about the product, I'm not too fond of the company.

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Another benefit of UpRev not posting as a sponsor - we can discuss things objectively without the poster getting all butthurt and threatening to have threads pulled/edited/closed by throwing around sponsorship weight.

On another forum I suggested that UpRev make Cipher open source, and still charge for the cable. Or at least open up the software to other developers with a core api. There are some awesome things the community could build if we had that low-level api already done for us. But the reaction was a typical knee-jerk "but we're in business to make money" response. That's a typical response from some one that is not in the software business. People in the software business have figured out how to still make money while giving certain things away for free decades ago.

My issue wasn't with the company's response. It was the tone and verbiage used; I was insulted. I speak to my 12 year old son with more respect than was present in the response I received from UpRev. That cost them a customer. That's the primary reason I haven't ditched the utec and gone the full Osiris+Cipher route.