My most expensive paper weight ever
 

So, after much consideration and thought I decided to go with a COBB AP for my engine management needs, originally I was going to buy from the guys at AAM, they were very very helpfull and always got back to me etc, plus cut a great deal, I could not purchase from them as my car fund is based of a UK CC, i.e. non USA based.
So I sourced my AP directly from COBB , now I realizse that the tables are limited but I wanted a head start on learning my vehicles ECU control.

So I thought I could at least get my WBo2 set up and start to adjust the vehicle to fine tune my own 'base map', then as the defs are released which enable more control variables I can just update firmware and tuning software accordingly, easy enough right?

Well, my AP would not install... no biggie, assumed a dongle or firmware issue, up loaded all the latests revs, still no good, contacted COBB (very helpfull) did some analitical stuff over the phone....
Long story short, my ecu is one of the 'unseen' before coded roms, and hence needs adding to the mix in terms of development, time line,,,,,,, FEB 10at the earliest.

So, I have a nice 600+ dollar paper weight on mydesk and am no closer to the engine managment I wanted.

NB - this is not a slate at COBB or the AP - I do like the products and have a lot of experience with COBB and there outlets, tuners, how ever I am surprised I can purchase a unit that will not function at all on the vehicle it was sold for........

Before it gets asked, yes I did consider UPREV but wanted an easy install / de install option and I am already used to COBB based software, I have used license based ECU reflashed previously and taking them off can suck.

Just a pre warning dudes.....
Happy Holidays

That sucks. I hope they get it figured out before Feb.

^ me to ;-)
Apparently, this is likely to happen until all rom id's have been accounted for, I pulled my stock ROM and sent it off so they can add it to the 'accepted' data base etc, its very unlikely they will send me an individual patch, I will have to wait until a full firmware version release.

As soon as I get back to the office I'll add the support for your rom and two others that I've received while I've been on vacation.

Joe

Joe - appreaite the assistance, please let me know when I am good to go with the update - in the mean time I have written my revised map and its waiting to flash...

I had a Horrible Experience with Cobb on my 06 350Z I had I will never use them again

None of the maps would work on the car and none of the updates took effect and had horrible customer service


DAN

Kastley! whats up bud!

hold out on the cobb man they are cracking the timing issue now...and since you already sent off your ecu rom image its only a matter of time before they get it back to you :tup:

look at it in a bigger picture...your helping out everyone else by doing it so its not a total loss and you and everyone else will reap the rewards for your patients!

Kdo is right, hang in there... will be worth it :tup:

same thing happen with the G and now it's the Z's turn

KDO - Hey Man - yeah, I am waiting, I have some maps editied up and my WB is going in (When my CB eventually shows up), I am happy with COBB's response but was a little annoyed at initial problem, that being said they have been very helpful and informative about the 370Z workings.
I am waiting patiently ;-)
Nogoodname - yeah - Its just teething issues for sure

Kastley85891 - Good luck with the project, keep us updated.

PS. Like your avatar!

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I think we should start taking bets on when the "official" COBB AP will be released for the 370Z. My bet is Spring 2014.

(sorry but I'm starting to get a little pissed).

+1

Latest - I got a Firmware beta download, but had an install issue still, contacted the support guys, they have re written and compiled a new Beta firmware, hopefully this evening I hsould have it.
COBB have remained V helpful through out, if it were not for xmas NY, I feel that I would be running it already.
I have had plenty of time to get to grips with the 'limited' parameters of the ROM, my AP manager has three ptm's ready for trial.
My CB is out for delivery today so will be installed tonight, the final parts for my home made intake will be here to day also so would be nice to get this thing tuned and dyno'd.
Will update accordingly

nice :tup: cant wait to here how the beta goes :excited:

home made intake :excited:

CB has been delivered, install tonight ,lets see how loud she is with test pipes and a dual exhaust...:-0
Interested to see just how restrictive that crappy Y pipe actually is.
Intakes are a good saving and use the stock MAF housing so a direct bolt on, should be a much smoother air path in total and a free'r flowing filter for sure, they will sound great regardless.

can you do a DIY thread with pics on the homemade intake setup? i'd be curious to see how it turns out Keith :tiphat:

^ Yes will do, its pretty sraight forward but requires a hack of your air boxes for the MAF tubes, I considered getting some MAF tubes made up that were a few mm over but decided I wanted to keep stock MAF's in the equation so I did not have to re scale for fueling, hopefully, what ever target I set it will find in current config.
I got my exhuast on last night in the nasty wind chill :-( fingers were dead by 22:00, it was worth it though, pretty darn loud, great on WOT and breaks loose all over ha ha, fun times.
I will be doing the intakes tonight time permitting and will take some snaps, all in the intake should run under 200 $ .
Hopefully I will get my AP up and running, I have a Ptm ready with leaner fuel and modification to throttle tables, limits and off course an 8200 redline.
L8rs

hellsya bra!!!

standing by mate!

its like a windows 7 hack...lol waiting for the results brother :D

Here the intake work from today, its so loud that is just nasty, great sound when coupled with my test pipes and CB, sick.
Heres some pics for now, I am happy, I will be fab'ing a bracket of some sort to help support filters but they are pretty solid as is, I was pissed at first to have recieved 1 White and 1 Black filter but WTH, it goes with the cars color scheme ;-)
Pics
Hacked up stock MAF tunbes
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...IMG_4386-1.jpg
45 deg 2.5 to 3in Si couplers
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4388.jpg
Test fit time with AEM dryflow filters being used
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4391.jpg
COBB post MAF tubes installed
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4390.jpg
Bit of cutting, shifting, one in
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4393.jpg
Both in - looks good enough
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4400.jpg
Nice fit
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4401.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4399.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4398.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...t/IMG_4401.jpg
Saved a few bucks and got some time out so I am happy.

May look at extending these through the front Stillen style, but thats another days escape...

On the AP, beta test worked, I am flashing this evening all being well. UPDATE - HOLY CRAP - this dam thing recognises my ECU but now I cannot scroll through menus downward, the only map I can select is anti theft, back to the drawing board.... AGAIN!
Cheers

Getting a new AP over nighted, hopefully time to flash this week, my lordy

It could be worse. Try owning a 06-10 Honda Civic Si. Cobb just came out with the AP for those cars a few months ago. :shakes head:

That's what ultimately pushed me to get a new car. Waiting for viable tuning solutions for years got old REALLY quickly.

I'm not trying to bash on Cobb or any other company, just stating my opinion. :rolleyes: Good luck to the OP in getting this issue resolved!

Damn big K! those intakes are sic bra!

thats some "mightyfine" work lol no pun intended wel ok maybe...:rofl2:

they look good really good! are you planning any type of heat shroud arrangement?


also the cobb tubing coming straight off the throttl bodies, does that tubong already have the vacume ports or did you have to fabricate them into the tubing?

im so sick of my takedas i believe i am going back to stock since this is a four day weekend for me...

between the gas mileage and the hot air being breathed in by the takedas i am at the end of that rope, so back to stock intakes for now.

i would be willing to do a asetup like yours as i could franken build both stock and takeda to get something simular to yours maybe...

Thanks Dude, I am happy, but boy they are LOUD
COBB post MAF tubes come with vac connections, straight bolt on, I would for sure get to work on the Short rams you have and build some thing up.
On my heat shielding, not at this time, I am gonna fab a little bracket to bolt that stage down, but eventually going to get some more tubing to extend through the front some where, either in the center Stillen sytle or down lower Injen style.

My replacement AP should arrive today - hope to finally have a rom on this car this evening. update Holy **** - they did not even ship one, I phoned to see if they had as UPS drove on by, sorry no we did not ship it, I have to laugh right now.

I made a good few initial changes to the stock rom, heres a snippet on the fuel target changes and 1 of the throttle maps.
Stock
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...elthrottle.jpg
Rev1
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...elthrottle.jpg

I will report via butt dyno testing , will put on dyno when happy

Question, the bigger the # the richer it becomes or does get leaner.
If you change from 100 to 96. did you lean it or make itr richer.

thanks.

The targets are Lambda based, I made it leaner 1 L = approx 14:7.1 in AFR scale

My targets shifted roughly high 11 afr targets to low/mid 12's

Quick ref - sorry for sizing
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...est/LtoAFR.jpg

I did something yesterday that you guys might find interesting. I took the NISMO rom from a 2010 and put it on our 2009 370Z had our tuners run it on the dyno to compare it to the base numbers. Guess what, no hp gain. I was so disappointed. I guess the 20 hp gains for the NISMO are all based on working with hard parts.

Joe

Joe - I spoke with TimB yesterday - he told me of this, very interesting, are there any 'actual' changes in the tables, anywhere?
I will going to the dyno in a week or so

Wow really thats some good info.. I know I remember seeing several threads about people wondering if that could be done.. Nice job.

I would give you a rep point if I knew how..

OK , I installed tonight with my rev1 rom, rev limit 8150 , throttle mapping changes, speed limit cancel, fueling changes.
Drivability AOK, its much perkier, pulls hard 6500 - redline, its wet here but had no worries inducing slidy tale action in second from throttle with the traction ON all the way into redline.
First impressions - a good start, will work more over the week end and get some logs time permitting.

Rev2 will be ready by a.m.

Yes the tune is totally different. I'm going to work with TimB to test this the 2010 tune at sea level on a 2009 car. I hope it makes more power at sea level.

Joe

great news K!

can you do me a favor and shoot me the info on the cobb hoses and clamps you used to do the intakes please...

i am liking the cobb more and more now :tup:

in for dyno runs

a guy in the forum did a ram-air type airscoop from the front grille, that might help with the hot air.. He fabricated tubes similar to the cobb pipes that lead to the CAI...

ya i think your talking about modshack...he did a diy awhile back...

So anyone heard any more updates on the AP???

I hope COBB is still working on it.

Yes we are still working on it. I've got a 2010 Rom to add to the firmware, but we are still working on the VVEL system. In order to produce "caned" maps we need to be able to tune the VVEL. Thats were the extra power is on these cars.

Joe

AWESOME!!!! VVEL tuning.....I seriously cannot wait for this. THANK YOU for the update.

(glad I bought the AP afterall)