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vividracing 02-03-2015 06:25 PM

Nissan 370z ecu tune by vrtuned
 
Vivid Racing’s VRTuned ECU flash product has just conquered the Nissan 370Z with this great increase done on our Mustang Dyno. The 3.7L 6speed manual transmission convertible was already equipped with a Stillen catback exhaust and K&N short ram Typhoon intakes. We first did a baseline of the car to test the difference with the ECU flash. The car was run in about 65F temperature on 91 octane doing a 3rd gear pull. Typical drivetrain loss for a rear wheel drive only car is about 10%. This 2010 370Z came stock with 337bhp which means the intake and exhaust added about 30 horsepower or this car and calibration was a bit stronger than normal. Only 22000 miles, all we really care about is what the difference is between our after tests and baselines. So our baseline test gave us 333rwhp and 273 ft/lbs of torque.

The ECU tune for the Nissan 370Z requires the ECU to be removed from the vehicle. The ECU is located behind the glove box, once the ECU is pulled, we separate the aluminum case of the Hitachi ECU and have to read and write the ECU in boot mode with pins connected to the programming pads. Once complete and the new program is flashed to the ECU, we then did the after test. One thing to note is with this ECU flash we can raise the rev limiter on manual transmission cars and also do a decat or raise the 02 limits for catless exhaust systems. Tested within hours of our baseline, the car then made 347rwhp and 282 ft/lbs of torque. The torque gain was pretty consistent throughout the full RPM test pull where the horsepower gains started to show at about 4500 rpm to redline. In addition to the performance gains, the throttle is much more responsive and the car revs out quicker.

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Masterbeatty 02-03-2015 09:32 PM

1) this is new software?
2) how come this is done in 3rd gear?

JC-Nismo 02-04-2015 03:22 AM

Very impressive.

reldas 02-04-2015 06:47 AM

Your dyno must read really high to get 333rwhp and 273 ft/lbs of torque before a tune. Also a 3rd gear pull that kinda shows a bit of inexperience, 370z should do 4th gear pulls. i know its a mustang dyno but that just seems off to me.

ANMVQ 02-04-2015 07:56 AM

Was just going to ask why it was done in the wrong gear ? Customer wanted to see a inflated number? Closer to 314WHP and 250WTRQ especially on a mustang.

vividracing 02-04-2015 02:23 PM

Thank you for the comments and feedback! :tup:

Firstly, let me clear up why we run in 3rd gear. In all reality, a dyno is a tuning tool. 10 different dynos on 10 different days will read 10 different numbers. We certainly understand folks using them to compare the power of their cars to others, however the primary use of a dyno is to confirm the delta. The gains. That's all we use ours for. We choose to dyno in 3rd gear for safety reasons. Every car that runs on our rollers is in 3rd. In many of the European cars, you have to be as 6th or 7th gear to be at a 1:1 ratio. The last thing we want is to have a car on our dyno doing 170+ MPH when all we really need to do is a quick 3rd gear pull to confirm the baseline and then the gains.

With that said, there are three things on this dyno sheet that should be examined. The gain of 14whp, the gain of 9wtq, and the improvement in the overall powerband while using the terrible 91 octane found here in AZ.

Any further questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to fire away. Happy to assist.

-Todd

FPenvy 02-04-2015 02:52 PM

347whp/282wtq?

ummmmmmm........ :bs:

I love you guys, but those mods don't equal that much power :bowrofl:

anyone can tweek the dyno to make whatever numbers they want plus the 3rd gear thing as well.

vividracing 02-04-2015 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3101822)
347whp/282wtq?

ummmmmmm........ :bs:

I love you guys, but those mods don't equal that much power :bowrofl:

anyone can tweek the dyno to make whatever numbers they want plus the 3rd gear thing as well.


Thank you for your input.

FPenvy 02-04-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3101850)
Thank you for your input.

i'm not trying to sound rude and thank you for the professional response to my comment.

but I would honestly love to see that car ran in 4th or 5th to see what the numbers change to. I totally get your safety reasons but there's thousands dynos in the country that do this everyday with no issue.

that number is just a bit much is all i'm saying.

good luck with the ECU sales :tiphat:

bleunetizen 02-04-2015 04:47 PM

While I could not care less about the numbers to compare, 10% gain over the entire range is a realistic and respectable figure.

Do you have true control over the ignition timing of the VHR motors?

It would be great if you could post a ignition timing log vs RPM, I am currently using Uprev but its ignition timing is limited by something hidden in the ecu that Uprev are yet to figure out. If your ecu can really adjust the ignition timing to a point where it can cause the motor to knock, then I am switching.

vividracing 02-04-2015 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3101854)
i'm not trying to sound rude and thank you for the professional response to my comment.

but I would honestly love to see that car ran in 4th or 5th to see what the numbers change to. I totally get your safety reasons but there's thousands dynos in the country that do this everyday with no issue.

that number is just a bit much is all i'm saying.

good luck with the ECU sales :tiphat:

Again, thanks for your input, we will continue to test our products the same way we've always tested them.

DEpointfive0 02-04-2015 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by reldas (Post 3101326)
Your dyno must read really high to get 333rwhp and 273 ft/lbs of torque before a tune. Also a 3rd gear pull that kinda shows a bit of inexperience, 370z should do 4th gear pulls. i know its a mustang dyno but that just seems off to me.

Your reply shows a bit of inexperience...

5th gear is 1:1

vividracing 02-04-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bleunetizen (Post 3101959)
While I could not care less about the numbers to compare, 10% gain over the entire range is a realistic and respectable figure.

Do you have true control over the ignition timing of the VHR motors?

It would be great if you could post a ignition timing log vs RPM, I am currently using Uprev but its ignition timing is limited by something hidden in the ecu that Uprev are yet to figure out. If your ecu can really adjust the ignition timing to a point where it can cause the motor to knock, then I am switching.

The tune adjusts fuel and timing, torque limiter, vmax etc. This is a bench flash so we focus on the horsepower and torque gains.

bleunetizen 02-04-2015 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3102006)
The tune adjusts fuel and timing, torque limiter, vmax etc. This is a bench flash so we focus on the horsepower and torque gains.

Yep, thats what ecu tune is all about.. my Q is, do you have total control over the ignition timing? ie, can you advance the timing so much that it goes beyond the sweet spot and start losing power and create knocks? I am asking because I know there is more power to be found in NA tune if Uprev can figure out on how to advance the ignition timing more that what it can currently do.

Amuse announced a few year or so ago that they found a new way of controlling the ignition timing/knock control and found more HP from the tune.. and they call their full exhaust + ecu combo a 400hp (flywheel) package!

vividracing 02-04-2015 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bleunetizen (Post 3102129)
Yep, thats what ecu tune is all about.. my Q is, do you have total control over the ignition timing? ie, can you advance the timing so much that it goes beyond the sweet spot and start losing power and create knocks? I am asking because I know there is more power to be found in NA tune if Uprev can figure out on how to advance the ignition timing more that what it can currently do.

Amuse announced a few year or so ago that they found a new way of controlling the ignition timing/knock control and found more HP from the tune.. and they call their full exhaust + ecu combo a 400hp (flywheel) package!

Our tunes for NA cars are extremely mild, true, you can advance the timing more but when testing on a customer's car our intention is never to push the limits.
I guess the philosophy there is to squeeze a little more out of the engine without any risks. I may not have all the answers to your questions, I will do my best to find out. Remember, I'm just a salesman here!

Juice14 02-06-2015 09:47 AM

Even if the dyno was done in 3rd gear and it showed gains then that's a positive thing. However the amount of HP that it gained is irrelevant, IMO we should look at it in percentage %.

Vivid should try and reset the ECU and do this tune in 5th gear at least to show us in the forum, Even if the final number is lower, people are more interested in the % gains. At least I am.

Agent K 02-06-2015 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3102136)
Our tunes for NA cars are extremely mild, true, you can advance the timing more but when testing on a customer's car our intention is never to push the limits.
I guess the philosophy there is to squeeze a little more out of the engine without any risks. I may not have all the answers to your questions, I will do my best to find out. Remember, I'm just a salesman here!

Sub'd...will PM you shortly.

vividracing 02-06-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Juice14 (Post 3103802)
Even if the dyno was done in 3rd gear and it showed gains then that's a positive thing. However the amount of HP that it gained is irrelevant, IMO we should look at it in percentage %.

Vivid should try and reset the ECU and do this tune in 5th gear at least to show us in the forum, Even if the final number is lower, people are more interested in the % gains. At least I am.

I am not sure if you read my explanation as to why we test in 3rd gear, but now the PPE headers are installed on the car so the number will not be accurate on just the tune anymore. I am waiting on new tires and we're going to align it for the customer. I don't know if time will permit to put it on the rollers again to get a final number with the headers. PPE has already published the gains on the headers, quite some time ago.

The client isn't at all interested in what the car will put down with all the mods. He was just helping me out because he is a good customer of mine and knew I needed a test car.

Our testing is done, the numbers are published along with the method used to obtain those numbers. I can understand for those who will disagree with the results. The tune is mild as I mentioned in my other post, the emissions code will not come up if you have long tube headers and catless pipes and the tune will automatically adjust to future bolt on modifcations. For me, that's well worth the price and downtime to have the ECU bench flashed.

ANMVQ 02-09-2015 02:11 PM

Here's a question why to you remove the ECU to Flash it? Why not with the tuner in the car on the rollers.

vividracing 02-10-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3106436)
Here's a question why to you remove the ECU to Flash it? Why not with the tuner in the car on the rollers.

This ECU cannot be flashed through the OBDII Port. Such is the case with various vehicles.

vividracing 02-10-2015 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3106436)
Here's a question why to you remove the ECU to Flash it? Why not with the tuner in the car on the rollers.

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redline10000 02-10-2015 08:32 PM

Does the flash offer any features like map switching, launch control or other stuff offered by other 370z ecu programs?

Chuck33079 02-10-2015 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3107575)
This ECU cannot be flashed through the OBDII Port. Such is the case with various vehicles.

I'm confused by this statement. Uprev has been able to flash the ecu through the obd port for years. Did I read this wrong?

vividracing 02-11-2015 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3108105)
I'm confused by this statement. Uprev has been able to flash the ecu through the obd port for years. Did I read this wrong?

I should have said our tune is not available for OBDII flashing at this time. This was our trial run on the VQ37 engine.

vividracing 02-11-2015 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redline10000 (Post 3108093)
Does the flash offer any features like map switching, launch control or other stuff offered by other 370z ecu programs?

Our tune does not offer any of those features.

Chuck33079 02-11-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3108805)
Our tune does not offer any of those features.

So, given that the software has fewer features than Uprev and requires the ecu to be removed, is it at least cheaper than Uprev? Otherwise, what's the point?

vividracing 02-11-2015 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3108856)
So, given that the software has fewer features than Uprev and requires the ecu to be removed, is it at least cheaper than Uprev? Otherwise, what's the point?

The point is to develop parts for the 370Z. At no point in this thread am I trying to compete with Uprev's product or other companies who focus solely on Nissan/Infiniti brand.

We offer tunes for many different vehicles and this was our first run at the 370Z platform. I posted this thread to inform the members of what we have going on at our shop and how it pertains to the vehicle they love.

Our tune produced gains over the factory tune IMO that's a win. We offer a complete catback exhaust for this car that sounds and performs great. We will have the test car back again and develop our own cold air intake for the car.

In the meantime I am here to lend support for members who want to buy parts. If they want VR Tune, Agency Power or any of the other brands I sell, my purpose is to promote those brands. I will offer up honesty, a fair price and great customer service to those who choose to do business with me.

Chuck33079 02-11-2015 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3108905)
The point is to develop parts for the 370Z. At no point in this thread am I trying to compete with Uprev's product or other companies who focus solely on Nissan/Infiniti brand.

We offer tunes for many different vehicles and this was our first run at the 370Z platform. I posted this thread to inform the members of what we have going on at our shop and how it pertains to the vehicle they love.

Our tune produced gains over the factory tune IMO that's a win. We offer a complete catback exhaust for this car that sounds and performs great. We will have the test car back again and develop our own cold air intake for the car.

In the meantime I am here to lend support for members who want to buy parts. If they want VR Tune, Agency Power or any of the other brands I sell, my purpose is to promote those brands. I will offer up honesty, a fair price and great customer service to those who choose to do business with me.

Fair enough. Something you might want to do is show how your product is different than the rest of the options on the market. The question about how it handles timing would be a good thing to get a real answer for. Either be better than the competition or undercut the competition's price. There's a market for both, but it doesn't seem like you're addressing either.

jooonnn 02-22-2015 04:58 PM

Could i get pricing on this? So this also remaps throttle as well?


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vividracing 02-23-2015 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jooonnn (Post 3119308)
Could i get pricing on this? So this also remaps throttle as well?


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