Nov Fastrack out!
 

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...-Nov%201-3.pdf

No changes in ST classes pretty much. The 2015 FRS RS 1.0 was moved to B-Street.

Have a good off season, see everybody next year in BS!

That sounds, good, but I need to look at the rules a bit better.....

370Z to BS, Nismo to AS
Oh well...
Even worse for the Laguna Seca Boss 302 being in a different class. SCCA really has a stick up its butt on special models.

GT3 headed for the exclusion list. Sucks for those guys gals. While letting GT-Rs in.

SCCA makes no sense.

At least H-stock Nissans look fun.

Sometimes I liken the SEB to the "popular" kids on the high school student body. In that they seemingly make decisions that are "popular" and rarely are founded on facts and data like you might expect.

Regarding the 370z move to BS. Looking at national level results between BS and CS the 370z looks like it will be able to hold its own in that class. Time will tell. Unfortunately there are far more S2000 drivers than 370z drivers and it wouldn't shock me to see the 370z moved into AS in 2016.

While I personally think it belongs in C, I think the 370z will be able to hold hit's own in BS on the national level where the courses are big and fast, and often held at good concrete sites.

However, it's going to be screwed over on tighter lots and on crappy asphalt, which unfortunately are very common at the regional level.

I understand them wanting to keep special models separate from the base models, even if it puts the special model in a class where it can't compete. You shouldn't have to buy hard to find/expensive models just to have a place to play.

Anybody coming to STR with me? :)

Just come play in ASP. The purple crack is so much more fun than street tires. Of course considering it looks like you're from San Diego that means you'll probably end up dealing with McCance with the classing changes for the subarus.

Since this was my first year and I'm still a beginner, the class change doesn't really bother me that much. There are a couple of local drivers in CS that compete at the national events and I'm about a second slower than they are and the same is true with the local BS drivers. The top 3 BS guys are from .5 - 1.5 seconds faster. So, the way I see it, either class I'm starting out a second behind so it really doesn't matter, I just need to get a litter faster.

I do plan to install a set of Koni yellows before the start of next season. I've still got 6-7 event left to do this year, so I'm working on closing the gap. :driving:

Jealous of you warm climate guys and your long autox seasons. I'm stuck waiting till April. :shakes head:

Yha but even april still suck because the pavment isnt warm untill 1:00 or later. Also in CT it was still snowing till mid april this year. :shakes head:

We were still dealing with the same things here in Ohio. The first local event we had this year it was just barely above freezing.

There's an RX8 (CS) guy on the SEB....:nutswinger:

As quick on the trigger as I am to flame club leaders when I think they've acted for personal benefit over that of the club - I don't think that's what happened here. The 370z isn't a small light car with 4cylinder power that gets by on its handling. It's bigger and heavier, but makes up for it with more wheel and extra acceleration. When viewed this way it doesn't "look like" the other CS cars, and the move makes sense.

No, I don't think any one individual has that much pull. At any rate, don't forgot we were the staple of this class for a few years, until the little pissers showed up. The SCCA likes to keep one dominate make per class, Vettes in A, S2000s in B, us in C, etc. Now as the S2000s age on the competitive curve, we can go up there and have some fun, and leave C for the little hipster d-bag mobiles. I do wish however we could find a better home in ST.

Peters won STR in a 350, and most would agree the 370 is even better so really, STR is not a bad place. Sure, we might like more wheel/tire, but every car there has shortcomings - the others would love to have our torque.

Granted, But...

1.) Peters is an amazing driver by all accounts...alienesc one might say.
2.) He switched to STU because he recognized the 350z as an underdog in STR due to tire limitations...now he is owning STU...much to the annoyance of a certain muti-time STU national champ from my region.

IMHO If you put a phenomenal (alien) driver in any remotely competitive car for a class, the driver will quickly rise to the top of the standings. Unfortunately it's these alien drivers that get cars classed in such a way that only an alien driver could ever win with them.

Um, no. He switched to STU because the 350z was reclassified in the class. You can't just go from STR to STU because you want more tire. The evo guys need to stop whining...they seem to struggle with the difference b/w being out-"car'd" and being outdriven.

My region has quite a few national champs and we race at topeka HP several times every year. Unfortunately to get tires, shocks, and sways on these cars to be competitive in stock class requires some serious money, however, switching to lighter 18s with a lower offset by the 6mm allowed, grippier tires, monotube shocks, decent front sway, lightweight rotors, a solid catback, and some high temp fluid and pads will make this car a killer in the B class...money though, money

I've seen people around here hate on the FRS and BRZ but those care cars are stupid fast when done right.

My mistake, your right. However, you cant deny that, in STU, where really the major difference is more tire allowance is going to hurt the 350z. Really my point is...

"Driver goes from winning a class where car has less competitive advantage to wining in class where car has more competitive advantage indicates that car was not the factor driving success...the driver was."

Light weight rotors are not allowed in Street...are they?<runs off to dig through rules>

Can't argue with the fact the STX prepped FRZ/BRZ are stupid fast. Pretty sure that car single handedly broke the STX index this year.

Fast being relative I 'spose. 2 piece rotors are perfectly legal in ST, so long as they meet the other guidelines (dia. and thickness).

As far as I know they're legal, unless something changed this year. And for our cars, changing the fronts to lighter ones will make a huge difference (so would 18" wheels - I'd even take 17s if some would fit over the front brakes)

I personally think they're trying to make a class solely for the FRS/BRZ just because of how many mods are already available for them. They won't be able to keep track of it all without having to redefine a lot. Then again, I've seen a completely stock BRZ come out to a race on the stock prius tires, and come out a half second faster than a really good driver in a roadster Z with front sway, exhaust, ventus RS3, and Konis.

NO performance (benefit) rotor replacement allowed in Street category. Oem or oem replacement only. But again, who's going to bring out magnifying glass and check your rotors during tech? You can join the other street class participants who cheats anyway and get away with any solid rotors. But if you get slotted or drilled ect, you're probably making it easy for other drivers to report you as they know Z doesn't come with drilled/slotted from stock.

Seriously, I know people in street class with racing seat, "undisclosed" suspension mods, engine mods, ecu tune, etc. Things that a naked eye can't pickup, people will do it in the street class.

I will have to agree with Jeff. 370Z can def hang in Bstreet. Usually, CS times are (in my region) about 1-1.5s behind Bstreet or sometimes CS is faster than BS. So the the diff isn't much. But as he said, Z will do fantastic on smooth surface with power courses. Z sucks in gravelly, crappy asphalt surfaces. Was this re-classing fair to Z owner? no. What they did to Nismo owners are even horrible. But I think Z won't be too far off the Bstreet competition. You just have to get some street legal add ons (as mentioned above). I just got my front sway and koni yellows and will get RS-3 in Feb. So in a way, thanks SCCA for the re-classing :driving: :p:icon17:

PS: I was absolutely blown away how well Z turns with konis and F sway. Thanks to those who helped me tweak the shocks with their number/setting. Here's my season finale. 2nd pos in CS (only .3s behind 1st place) with 8 competitors.

Ya, I know street classes can see some seriously sketchy setups. Whats the old saying..."if you ain't cheating, you ain't racing" or something like that.

I really hope the 370z will be a great BS car...but I really do think that if a good driver got into class with a C5 FRC Corvette that it would be game over. That car on paper is better in basically every category and is a proven performer in countless Solo events.

For Local PAX I really don't see me doing so awesome in my 370z...the FS and AS indexes will be a big problem for me as I have a national champ/Evo instructor driving a C5 Z06 in AS and a couple decent guys driving E92 M3's in FS. They really didn't need any index help this year, but they certainly got it anyway. On the bright side there is less chance of getting owned by STX prepped BRZ/FRS twins now that the STX index went up a bit.

I would like you guys to see how the last winter event went here. If myself and my co-driver ran in BS we would've finished 9th and 10th. Even the fastest CS driver would've been 2 seconds behind the BS winner.

Here's the results just scroll down to BS and CS:

Rocky Mountain Solo Series

With all due respect....you just need to drive faster. It isn't all the car. Bob Klinger ran about the same time as the FRC in the X class.

I hear you there, but it seemed like the car was on the edge already lol. It could just be my inexperience but my co-driver has been doing this for 3 years now and finished 11th in DS at Nationals this year, and he was pushing the car it seemed like to me.

It sounds like you need to be driving slower not faster ;). Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. If you slow down a bit you'll handle better and be a lot faster through the turns and especially slaloms. I've seen a lot of drivers leaving several seconds out on the course because they pushed too hard into one corner before a slalom and then were attempting to play catch-up for the rest of the run.

I know of a few cars, mostly Miata's that were cheating. Running full suspension and brakes but were still in the stock class. Joke was on them though since one of my friends was in a bone stock miata beating them. BS is not a popular class in my region so I did very well. My only real compition was from another 370 Nismo too. Now that this is out, I can start planning what I want to do for next year.