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I'm late to the response here. But congrats to all for trophies and wins. All hard fought and won. I only got a chance to introduce myself to Jeff...and I didn't get to see you all run because heat 3 was when I had to eat and get the car ready for heat 4 for the DPL class. Im trying to get my hands on video from the DP car which I will share as the perspective is really cool.
I'm still not sure if I will be focusing on driving the 370z for next year or Focusing on ESP in my Mustang. I guess it depends on what the SCCA SEB does with each of those classes for next year. |
This was my first full season with the Z and taking autox more serious, so I was hoping for at least top half. 38th of 55 kinda sucks. What sucks more is, the weekend before Nats, I beat the guy in 15th in Peru at the Hoosier Challenge. How does that work?
I did switch to 285 R-S3s from from 295 Rivals right before Nats as well. I haven't found the limit of the R-S3s yet, as they are much different than the Rivals. I have stock shocks as well, so I'm selling the Rivals to get some money back and will probably get Konis for next season Also, how is it fair you West Coast and Southern guys get to autox year round?! :confused: Hoping to see you all out there again next year...in BS maybe?? :hello: |
Meh, some of the mid west and east coasters get relatively close to me at locals and national events....then it spreads out a bit in Lincoln. Always works out that way....
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I went on to suggest that if they want to move the car out of a class it should be STR to STU since in ST form there would not be much difference between the 350 and 370. If your an SCCA member and a Z driver I encourage you to take 5min and speak up. |
If anybody is interested in purchasing a Z for BS, I have a '14 in Gun Metallic ready to go. Aligned, RS3s, revalved Koni yellows, Eibach and Hotchkis front bars, and exhaust midpipe. All stock parts too. 500 miles on the car.
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I'm convinced that there's someone on the SEB that has a personal issue with the 370z. Looking at the results from nationals I don't know how you can argue that the Z was the dominant car. While the Z took 1st, it was only by ~.3 sec over the two days. The RX-8 and the MX-5 both seemed to do fine against the Z. The ones who suffered were the Toyobaru's. This seems to points out that the twins should be moved to DS, not the 370z to CS.
I guess if enough people buy the same car and all cry loud enough about having the wrong car for the class the SEB will eliminate your competition for you. :shakes head: They could have at least one-lined the Z in BS instead of moving the Nismo to AS. How could they even think the Nismo could ever compete against older Vipers, 911's, C6 vettes, etc. Someone clearly had their head up their a$$ on this one. |
Looking at the results from nationals again, top BS times were very comparable to top CS times. This was the 370, NC, RX8 vs C5, s2k, and MSR.... the 370z-sport may still be competitive...
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Also, I imagine we'll find out when the FasTrack is released, but according to the post they're only moving the 370 to B and leaving the 350 in C.
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That said, Mark Andy runs a CS RX8, but I don't know where he stood on the matter. |
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If we gotta be in BS lets also get into STU. There are a bunch of other BS cars in the STU class why can't we be in there too? I just sent in a request, lets all do the same http://crbscca.com/?page=submitLetter.
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The springs and sways are what make it a clear upgrade from the base model. |
With 9.5s in front, 305 square might have been a legit option. Oh well.
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The sway bars argument I can't agree with though. Street class allows replacement of one, so replace the front bar with a stiffer one. This still leaves the rear bar which is stiffer on the Nismo. I would argue that this is actually penalizing the Nismo as it will make it more tail happy and harder to power out of turns. And let's not forget the Nismo is actually heavier than the base+sport. Yeah it has 18hp more but that is mostly due to the Nismo cbe which is something the non-nismo guys can replace anyways in the street class. Also does anyone have any actual real life data showing the Nismo's superiority over the non-nismos is autox? If you do, please share. |
The extra .5" front wheel width makes the 305 a reasonable choice - that's a huge advantage even if everything else was the same, which it isn't. Then there's the '15's shorter final drive...
If the regular 370 got moved in with the Nismo in BS, I probably would have traded up. I mentioned this on another forum, which was probably a mistake, as it wouldn't have surprised me if the Nismo had been overlooked if I hadn't mentioned it. Got a dark cloud of classing over my head, sorry it sprinkled onto the Nismo owners too :) |
I think I'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue. IMHO until real world data is available, a car (any car, not just the Nismo) should be classed on the soft side. I'll be the first to fall in line once a car shows dominance in a class to have it moved to a higher class. fwiw I define dominance as multiple drivers all doing extremely well in the same car not just one great driver walking away from the rest of the class.
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So, I am not shocked they moved the 370 to B Street. I feel worse for the Nismo, it is officially buried now that it's in A Street. But, a Base 370z with sport would not be competitive vs. a Nismo, so if I must drive in BS I'm at least glad it wont be against a Nismo. Having written multiple letters to the SEB on this classing issue and others I am convinced they don't listen to anyone but those who have enough clout as a national winning driver and/or have been active at national level for so many years so as to be known by name. It appears that at the national level Auto-X is being ruined by politics and popularity contests...very sad.
Over the past 6yrs of reading fast track and rules updates, etc. only about 33% of the time does the SCCA SEB seem to make a any rules decision that makes sense. Most the time only if the supporting data is so overwhelming that a raving internet fan boy can't refute it. Makes me think that we have boating enthusiasts making our car classing decisions. /end rant All that said, I don't think the 370z is overwhelmingly outmatched in BS...unless it's a Pro-solo now that the Audi TT is a BS<sigh>. I just hope that the B Street PAX gets a little softer so I at least have a ice cubes chance in hell at regional events next season. |
You must not know the politics at scca. It is quite pathetic
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Yeah SCCA's classing system and the politics of it is what drove me from wanting to put my Z in their road-course classes, ever. I was planning to hit NASA instead and just do their ST[321U] system that's based almost entirely on hp:weight (I don't think NASA does competitive Auto-X, though). On the other other hand, I'm now really thinking about ditching all the mess of modding a production car and just doing a spec racer class in SCCA, like Spec Racer Ford, maybe sometime next year. Way cheaper and easier in the long run.
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So, do 18's fit over the Sport brakes? Who's got the best price on an OS Giken? Will wait till Oct 20 to start buying stuff, but it's looking like STR is the place to go...
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I'll send you some OS Giken contacts on FB for the diff. Also make sure you talk to Mike Carpenter from Utah who already has his Z built for STR. He has a thread on this forum detailing his build: http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...-can-done.html |
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You could just go play in ASP. I hear running the purple crack is a good time. |
That's why I'm waiting till the 20th - last chance to publish 2015 class changes.
Re: ASP, already have a car that needs trailering. The Z was meant to be the drive-it-there-and-back ride. |
A move to STU would be even more of a reason to build the 370 for ST. That said, not going to happen. The evo/sti guys are already in a fret over the 350 and the 370 is a better car.
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