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martin82 12-27-2013 04:44 PM

that's correct, its on my JRZ RS pro, I didn't install the rear springs yet

GSS138 12-27-2013 05:45 PM

Mike on a scale of 1-10 1 being "perfectly drivable on street", 10 being "absolutely no f-ing way am I driving this thing to work". How would you rate your car for daily driver use, based on just the springs and ride quality-ignore everything else.

ENT-Z 12-27-2013 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2627122)
my Tein monoflex are 783 front and rear. Both Mike Skeen and Brian Kleeman loved the way my car handles when they drove it.

Glad to hear. My car is going in tomorrow to have the Tein Monoflex installed (with EDFC Active) and a bunch of SPL goodies. Looking forward to the start of the track season!

clintfocus 12-27-2013 11:14 PM

interesting input in this tread :P

synolimit 12-28-2013 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2625607)
That might be to stiff for our rear. Lol. Anyways due to the nature of are cars being tail happy a little softer is really needed. I'm seeing where some are removing the sway bar completely after a good Coilovers setup

I meant that for an OEM setup. What would 15-16k be? 8-9k in a true?

synolimit 12-28-2013 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2627077)
Even with stock vlsd, still manage fast laps, yes the diff is huge. Tires for us not so much in SoCal we run rs3 mostly and a few on Td's we don't run Hoosiers like NorCal or other areas.

Here are my rear spring dimensions that was asked prior 8"x2.25"x 450lbs

Doran said he hits 300* diff temps within 3 laps. Say the OEM VLSD never hit 250*. Is it possible it won't become sh*t from over heating? Just finished my diff cooler and can get the temp to drop 40*.

synolimit 12-28-2013 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GSS138 (Post 2627092)
Yeah that is kind of why I went the route of buying the Quaiffe diff first. Everything I read suggests that it is 1 of two things:
1. Not stiff enough springs
2. LSD.

I couldn't pass up the Xmas sale at Z1 lol. Got it for less than a grand. The OEM suspension all though not terrible by any means(for OEM it is quite good). Man it is way too bouncy. Scares the heck out of me at BRP from grapevine through club corner, and I feel I really limit myself at AAA and Big willow through the fastest parts, because once things start shaking, I back off. BRP the car hardly ever gets planted it seems with all the camber and elevation changes. Definitely need some faster springs as well.

Agree. Stock wants to bounce over little bumps and then "float" to the outside. Very scary! Can't wait to finish and get this bitch planted!

03threefiftyz 12-28-2013 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GSS138 (Post 2627337)
Mike on a scale of 1-10 1 being "perfectly drivable on street", 10 being "absolutely no f-ing way am I driving this thing to work". How would you rate your car for daily driver use, based on just the springs and ride quality-ignore everything else.

As a Mike also, 9.5. No radio, AC, delrin bushings, etc...

...there is a reason my car has no tags.

Mike 12-28-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz (Post 2627841)
As a Mike also, 9.5. No radio, AC, delrin bushings, etc...

...there is a reason my car has no tags.

mine also. I don't remember the last time I drove it on the street, as its been over two years, but I do remember it wasn't bad at all.

SPOHN 12-28-2013 03:25 PM

Took mine off the street also. The aggressive alignment I'll be running is track only. Car is being setup up for the best turn in possible. I'm going full out.

wrxrcr 12-28-2013 08:54 PM

Motion ratio is like .63 front and .50 rear , that might be flipped. What alignment settings do you guys recommend for autox, street tires probably z2s in a square 275 setup?

synolimit 12-29-2013 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2628260)
Took mine off the street also.

Pussy haha

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cossie1600 12-29-2013 01:05 AM

Are you really comparing a street car with a bunch of aftermarket add-ons to a full blown race car at LeMans?

synolimit 12-29-2013 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2628777)
Are you really comparing a street car with a bunch of aftermarket add-ons to a full blown race car at LeMans?

Kind of an insult to spohn no?

cossie1600 12-29-2013 02:44 AM

Not insulting anyone, just saying there is a huge difference between something that is nearly impossible to drive on the street vs. something that is not fun to drive on the street

synolimit 12-29-2013 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2628848)
Not insulting anyone, just saying there is a huge difference between something that is nearly impossible to drive on the street vs. something that is not fun to drive on the street

Not fun? I think that's in the opinion of the person. Wear a helmet and have fun.

GSS138 12-29-2013 02:09 PM

@Mike, with 783 up front and rear in a coilover you have:

front ride rate: 2.3 Hz
and rear rate: 2.1 Hz

2.3/2.1 = 1.09 I think this ratio is one of the most important things when doing the suspension voodoo math. I am using a number really close to that ratio with just lower spring rates and the OEM motion ratios. The hope is to get the same under/oversteer feel. Our OEM ratio is like .90 which is pretty standard OEM street car setup.

BY using 672 front and 504(OEM rears)

I will get 2.13 Hz/ 1.95 Hz = 1.09.

This will prolly be a little loose till I throw a wing on. I use .62 for front motion ratio, and .62 rear(oem), or .73(Coil position) as my motion ratios. If I was going full track I would prolly move higher like you guys, but it's gonna be a while before that happens.

03threefiftyz 12-29-2013 03:10 PM

Last I checked the front M/R was closer to .67 and .63 in the back (350z). .2hz front/rear is pretty safe. Keep in mind, most of the weight you drop off these cars comes from the back. Even playing around with ride heights, you'll still likely be 55/45 WD, at best.

GSS138 12-29-2013 07:11 PM

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You could be right 350. It is really hard to measure though with just a jack a flashlight and a tape measure. I am also trying to fluff it a little with the 285 square setup I have.

Had a request for the math on Frequencies, I am attaching a spreadsheet. It is protected(so that I don't f up the equations) but it is not password protected so everyone can see the math behind it.

You can change motion ratios, rates, etc. I am completely guessing on the corner weights though FYI. If you find a math problem in it let me know.

03threefiftyz 12-29-2013 07:49 PM

Another calculator option:

Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - Dynamics Calculator

wrxrcr 12-29-2013 08:29 PM

The motion ratio in the rear for independent spring shock is .5.

03threefiftyz 12-29-2013 09:01 PM

No, it isn't.

wrxrcr 12-30-2013 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz (Post 2629764)
No, it isn't.

For 370z, 350z or both. I often get confused with your posts as to which car your talking about, no disrespect intended.

03threefiftyz 12-30-2013 07:16 AM

The rear suspension is largely the same...

GSS138 12-30-2013 01:09 PM

I thought it was .5 at first as well, but you have to measure all the way to the end of the wheel hub. It is closer to .6

That is a great link will have to play around with it.


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