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gomer_110 03-05-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss_302 (Post 2198169)
The sway bars on a Nismo are stiffer than the standard bars and are factory, this may help getting around the rule limitations. Maybe going with an Nismo factory barat the front and an aftermarket rear adjustable might give you the combination you are looking for.
Its trial and error.

What you're suggesting breaks the rules. This is why the Nismo runs B-stock and non-Nismo runs C-stock. SCCA does not consider the two to be equal.

Crusty 03-05-2013 08:10 PM

Thanks Boss_302. I actually had the same thought, so today i called the dealer (parts dept.) and they tell me that the only difference in bars is between the touring model and sport package. My car has the sport package. Not sure where the confusion lies and So far i haven't found detailed info on the NISMO bars on-line. They also gave me a functioning phone number (though they were closed) for nissan motorsports. Apparently NISMO is "no longer part of nissan", but perhaps nissan motorsports is actually racing zcars. Haven't heard anything about NM in years, but back in the day they always had the best parts and most experience (for the most part) with my 240z. Be interesting to see when i call them back.

Crusty 03-05-2013 08:12 PM

Agreed Gomer_110. I'm only interested in changing the front bar.

gomer_110 03-05-2013 08:26 PM

Here's a chart someone showed me when I was looking at sway bars. Hope it helps.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/t...tox-sways2.jpg

Boss_302 03-05-2013 09:22 PM

Yea, I understand about the rules. Use to run formula fords. Sometimes we just drop the rear bar, but than we had other things to adjust,
One thing you can do is play with the tire pressures front to back, a couple of pounds either way could make a difference, alignment is important. You can get a tire pyrometer and measure the temperature across the thread and see if you are making full contact and fine tune the alignment accordantly

Shamu 03-05-2013 10:35 PM

For AX 245 font is way too skinny for our weight. Minimum of 265 or 275 up front. 295 or 285 rear on stockers is going to be best bet.

Crusty 03-05-2013 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2198457)
For AX 245 font is way too skinny for our weight. Minimum of 265 or 275 up front. 295 or 285 rear on stockers is going to be best bet.

I've wondered if anyone has tried same size wheels/tires (295's maybe) on front and rear of the 370 and the results. Sure would be nice to be able to rotate tires front to rear and have it work better at the same time.

Crusty 03-06-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 2198244)
Here's a chart someone showed me when I was looking at sway bars. Hope it helps.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/t...tox-sways2.jpg

WOW!! That's great, and it definately is a good reference. Thanks!

gomer_110 03-06-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusty (Post 2198515)
I've wondered if anyone has tried same size wheels/tires (295's maybe) on front and rear of the 370 and the results. Sure would be nice to be able to rotate tires front to rear and have it work better at the same time.

A number of people run square set-ups with either 285 or 295's. In order to rotate wheels front to rear you would need a set of wheels with the same offset (would need to be the offset required for the front) and spacers in the rear.

ChipsWithDips 03-06-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 2198244)
Here's a chart someone showed me when I was looking at sway bars. Hope it helps.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/t...tox-sways2.jpg

I installed Eibachs recently, and measured the weights. For what it's worth the weight calculations in that chart are a bit off. According to my measurements the weight ratio eibach/stock is 128% for front(pretty close to that chart calculation) but 193% for the rear, which is pretty far off from the 140% listed in the chart.

Eibach Front Sway: 4.52 kg
Eibach Rear Sway: 3.80 kg

Stock Front Sway: 3.51 kg
Stock Rear Sway: 1.97 kg

Also you could theoretically do a more detailed calculation if you measured the "lever arm" length of the various endlink setting holes and added that into the calculation. Shorter lever arm means less mechanical advantage, making it effectively stiffer. Though I don't know how much value there is in trying doing these calculations when really the inner diameter is only a guess.

ChipsWithDips 03-06-2013 08:54 PM

Anyways, I like the feel of the eibachs, so far I have only tried it on soft setting on front and middle setting on rear.

I was a little concerned when reading the eibach install guide, it basically said don't use the stiffest settings front or rear in the rain. My Z is my daily driver so it sees rain on occasion, should I be concerned about going stiffer in front? I guess I don't really see how less roll is going to make rainy conditions more dangerous.

gomer_110 03-06-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips (Post 2200271)
I installed Eibachs recently, and measured the weights. For what it's worth the weight calculations in that chart are a bit off. According to my measurements the weight ratio eibach/stock is 128% for front(pretty close to that chart calculation) but 193% for the rear, which is pretty far off from the 140% listed in the chart.

Eibach Front Sway: 4.52 kg
Eibach Rear Sway: 3.80 kg

Stock Front Sway: 3.51 kg
Stock Rear Sway: 1.97 kg

Also you could theoretically do a more detailed calculation if you measured the "lever arm" length of the various endlink setting holes and added that into the calculation. Shorter lever arm means less mechanical advantage, making it effectively stiffer. Though I don't know how much value there is in trying doing these calculations when really the inner diameter is only a guess.

Just sharing what another member shared with me. Guess from now on I'll have to post a disclaimer that there may be errors. Thanks for pointing out the error though.

ChipsWithDips 03-06-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 2200294)
Just sharing what another member shared with me. Guess from now on I'll have to post a disclaimer that there may be errors. Thanks for pointing out the error though.

Yeah I know, I saw that chart before I bought my sways also. I took it with a grain of salt knowing that the inner diameter was a guess(it says so on chart). Not sure who the original creator was. Its still a neat comparison given the limited data available.


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