Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1446875)

People can only comprehend things when they PM Jeffblue, not when they talk to Jeffblue in a thread. So if you want to comprehend, then please PM Jeffblue for a group buy on rearview cameras :icon17:

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1446810)

yea its pretty easy to get max torque when your max torque is 220tq at the wheels. the 335 has a very flat torque curve as well. and it feels very quick down low. at 5500 RPM is where the 370z starts to produce more torque than the 335. it's not about bragging rights. go drive around town in a stock 335, not necessarily trying to thrash every ounce of hp out of it, then drive the 370z the same way and you'll find yourself needing to give the Z a lot more gas to get it to feel as quick for normal driving. this is a debate about low end. the 370z stock is definitely faster than the 335, but just low end for normal driving it definitely feels dead down low.

a lot of times what makes a car feel fast isn't about how quick it is at full throttle, but how torquey it feels in just normal driving. the 370z never felt surprisingly fast in any gear at partial throttle below 4k rpm

honestly it doesn't even matter what you compare it to. you can't honestly tell me that at 3k rpm in 3-6th gear the 370z really feels like its just ready to unleash the fury. i mean how can you say a car that makes 190whp/220tq at 4.5k rpm has a nice low end? the 370z is very fun to drive but only within its power band. if you are below it it feels slow. i dont understand why this is such a hard thing to comprehend?

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1447179)

So... I went WOT at 10MPH in 2nd gear on my way home today...

I would hope the Z06 would do it better than the 5.0..........

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1447112)

I know what you are saying, its just not making sense. My z06 is very docile at low rpm in high gears, too. Of course an fi car feels different from an na car. Noone races from 2nd gear at 10mph, though. You might as well complain that the car sucks because it doesn't have a third row seat and a trailer hitch. Drive it how it was intended and it will be fine. As a side note, my friend says the 2009 shelby cobra he drive felt faster around town than my z06. I don't worry about 09 shelbys much, though. Of course, I have not raced one in 2nd gear from 10mph, either, so its superior low end is lost on me. As far as I know, this thread is about racing and maximum performance type driving, not how hard/easy it is to lug the vq series engine.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1446205)

Still, the powerband is very useful. Much moreso than peak dyno numbers suggest. the car reminds me of my fbody/ls1 car in how it applies power.

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1447275)

I wasn't talking about racing from 2nd gear at 10mph. you brought up the idea of having a useful powerband.



as far as im concerned, a useful powerband implies how a car feels in normal driving, not balls to the wall WOT pulls. when you step on the gas in the 370z at low RPM it is very, very tame. idk about you, but when i think of a 'useful' powerband, i think of how the car feels and responds in the useful rpm range. a car with power in the 'useful' range, which is really more between 3-5k rpm, will feel fast without having to beat the snot out of the car. the 370z isn't fast unless you drive it very hard. the 370z does have 332bhp but you can't USE it unless you are in the high rpms and basically say 'hey i wanna drive fast now.' that doesn't seem 'useful' to me

your point about tow hitches etc is totally irrelevant to what we are talking about.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1447283)

BMW offers the 335 with a diesel. I think you know what to do...

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1446800)

Cars with flat tq curves feel a lot slower than they are. Go race your 335 and compare. Second at 15mph in your z shouldn't be that bad. I found the car very livable at lower rpm. It gets nearly max torque at less than 2500rpm for crying out loud.

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1447406)

I'd rather have a car that is faster than it feels than one that feels faster than it is.

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1447402)

i thought we were talking about the 370z... have you nothing to say about the points i made?

Originally Posted by toxik (Post 1448289)

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1448312)

Jesus. Every time I remove you from the iggylist I get dumber for it. Back on it.

Originally Posted by toxik (Post 1448320)

haha yesssssss

Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1448524)

Honestly as i've said before I don't get on my car much and when I do it's not to redline.. but with the exhaust and the tp's it's a very cool feeling having the car just keep on pulling way into the rpm's.

For the guys who have moved their redline to 8100, does the car pull all the way up to that?

Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1448620)

hmmm... doesn't look like it huh? lol

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1447406)

I'd rather have a car that is faster than it feels than one that feels faster than it is.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1448779)

I don't necessarily agree. Cars that feel faster than they are can be quite fun to drive.

I think the Z is faster than it feels, but it still feels pretty dang fun :D

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1448779)

I don't necessarily agree. Cars that feel faster than they are can be quite fun to drive.

I think the Z is faster than it feels, but it still feels pretty dang fun :D

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1448807)

:iagree: The Z definitely is faster than it feels. It's a little boring in the acceleration department, but no one bought the car for that reason, right? Right? :ugh2:

As long as you keep the revs up it's good to go. 3k at a minimum. 4k or higher is better when you want to go.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1448779)

I don't necessarily agree. Cars that feel faster than they are can be quite fun to drive.

I think the Z is faster than it feels, but it still feels pretty dang fun :D

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1448779)

I don't necessarily agree. Cars that feel faster than they are can be quite fun to drive.

I think the Z is faster than it feels, but it still feels pretty dang fun :D

Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1450030)

Originally Posted by Skeeterbop (Post 1450116)

I would say it is a quick car. It fairs well in acceleration and does very well for itself in handling. All this argument over the torque curve seems silly to me. yes 220lb/ft of torque doesn't seem like much, but in our cars it is very deceptive. the torque curve looks flatter than any gasoline or diesel engine I have ever seen. You never get that strong shove in the seat but it definitely gets moving very quickly. Also if your in second doing 10 mph, you probably aren't driving it too hard, so I don't see the issue here. Maybe they could have made a tune available for those that wanted the shove in the seats, just neuter the low rpm band and let it get to normal in the middle of it.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1450299)

After all I ended up buying one instead of a used Cayman S, which I was 100% ready and able to buy. It's a solid car.

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1452219)

Fix'd :tiphat:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1450300)

Well, you're in a normal driving situation at that point. No one just cruises at low speed in 1st gear (at least they shouldn't).

Unfortunately with the Z, even though it makes say 220 lb-ft at 2,000 RPM, it's only got something like 160hp at that point pulling it along. If you really want to get a move on you better be at 4k or above. Which is fine. It takes some adjustment to learn to drive that way (program a downshift into the brain when you want to move)... but some people (myself included) prefer a car with usable power at any RPM above 0. :icon17:

That's for street driving of course. On the track where you are winding it out all the time I am not concerned with how much hp/torque I am making at 2-3-4k even... because I'll be up at the top of the power band almost 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1452229)

Are you implying that I couldn't afford a new Cayman S? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1452241)

Hell, no. I'm implying that you talked to a Cayman S owner right after his 10K service bill :icon17:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1452240)

How are motorcycles relevant to this thread?

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1452248)

Honestly? I made a dude in a black 911 Turbo cry like a schoolgirl last week on the I-95 Exit 4 on-ramp. Not one to usually do this ****, but he had a CBE that was quite loud and he pulled up next to me at a stoplight and wouldn't stop revving his motor. Ever see that Xerox commercial with the guy in the wind tunnel when he looks over at the bean counter who just asked him to translate 300 pages into Portugeuse by tomorrow morning? That was the last thing the Turbo owner saw. :xmaslol: