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KingZee 12-16-2011 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1452323)
I guess I don't understand the Nismo purchase in the first place. You were given a Z06. Why not buy a set of lightweight rims with RComps and make that a track beast on weekends? A Z06 with r-comps will toast any Z you can find.
:iagree:

vividracing 12-16-2011 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1452323)
I guess I don't understand the Nismo purchase in the first place. You were given a Z06. Why not buy a set of lightweight rims with RComps and make that a track beast on weekends? A Z06 with r-comps will toast any Z you can find.
2 words.

Overhead Cams.

SPOHN 12-16-2011 04:22 PM
What diff cooler are you recommending/ running? I feel I'm not having issues there but I haven't put a temp gauge on it either. I'm getting ready to change out my fluid and was pondering with adding Nismo diff cooler cover. And if it's worthy on any level?

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1447451)
I'd drop the catback exhaust mods, shift knob, etc. Set of long tube headers, up rev tune, Get a set of good coil overs like Motons or JRZs. kW3 s are decent for a budget shock but arent close to good 3 way adjustables, nice 35 mm progress front bar, no need for differnt rear bar, oS Giken LSD, 34 row GTM oil cooler, set of real race seats like recaros, race tech or Sparco FIA certified, good set of harnesses, harness bar or rear roll bar, some lightweight 18 inch wheels with Hoosier r6s or Good Year RS dot race tires. Good set of brakes. AM performance oil pan, nice Momo race steering wheel, surge pump (to address fuel starve issue), Rear diff cooler. 4.08:1 final drive ring and pinion gear set. Lightweight flywheel, clutch, upgraded throwout bearing,, etc, top notch racing fluids. Use the rest of your money to stay on fresh tires and fluids.

Z isn't going to be a Z06 beater but it will be fun.

m4a1mustang 12-16-2011 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 1452708)
2 words.

Overhead Cams.
And?...

Red__Zed 12-16-2011 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 1452708)
2 words.

Overhead Cams.
:icon14:

FL 4Motion 12-16-2011 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 1452708)
2 words.

Overhead Cams.
:icon18:

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1452710)
What diff cooler are you recommending/ running? I feel I'm not having issues there but I haven't put a temp gauge on it either. I'm getting ready to change out my fluid and was pondering with adding Nismo diff cooler cover. And if it's worthy on any level?
curious as well, but I don't think our car is tracked hard enough to warrant a diff cooler, just more frequent fluid changes. I picked up a nismo diff cover, for whatever it's worth, just for the little bit of extra cooling it offers (unfortunately, w/o taking before/after temp readings, not sure how much help it will be doing).

Mike 12-16-2011 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1452323)
I guess I don't understand the Nismo purchase in the first place. You were given a Z06. Why not buy a set of lightweight rims with RComps and make that a track beast on weekends? A Z06 with r-comps will toast any Z you can find.
I had a C6 widebody, both NA at 400rwhp and supercharged 550rwhp, with r-comps. It might have been faster, but it wasn't as fun or rewarding as the Z on track.

Skeeterbop 12-16-2011 10:05 PM
Would this count as a track beast? It was racing at the Continental Tires World Challenge Series race @ Road Atlanta as part of the support series races during the Petit Le Mans weekend. It finished 6th in class, despite not being fully prepped to the limits of the rules. It was prepped for a lower specification in a different series. From what I can remember it had the obvious brakes/oil cooler/ exhaust upgrades. It also had a custom setup for the fuel pump to avoid starvation. I was honestly surprised at how close to stock it was. I would stick to the previous guys posts and upgrade the brakes, add an oil cooler and spend the rest on track time with a good instructor.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6164/6...e2286b08_b.jpg

Skeeterbop 12-16-2011 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by corbin09 (Post 1447840)
Pics or Shenanigans
I'm pretty much thinking the same, but I am willing to entertain the questions no matter how hard i find it to believe that the OP has both a C6 and a brand new Z (a NISMO that he bought with his money) and has an extra 20k to spend. If I had been given a Corvette when I was 16 I wouldn't have been going out to get another car. If I had 50k I was going to dump on a car and mods, I would have just dumped the money into the birthday present and have a sick C6.

spearfish25 12-16-2011 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1452991)
I had a C6 widebody, both NA at 400rwhp and supercharged 550rwhp, with r-comps. It might have been faster, but it wasn't as fun or rewarding as the Z on track.
I've heard other people say similar things about the vettes. I guess that after doing track days and watching the vettes smoke me on the Road America straights, I find myself very curious about ownership. I was actually strongly considering swapping the Z for a used 2006 Z06 that a guy in my building owns. I suppose the grass always seems greener, but having a faster car doesn't mean it's more fun to drive. (e.g. a Miata)

KingZee 12-17-2011 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1453173)
(e.g. a Miata)
Nice doors

sfearl1 12-17-2011 07:55 AM
Let's see pics of the Z and Z06...

ChrisSlicks 12-17-2011 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1453173)
I've heard other people say similar things about the vettes. I guess that after doing track days and watching the vettes smoke me on the Road America straights, I find myself very curious about ownership. I was actually strongly considering swapping the Z for a used 2006 Z06 that a guy in my building owns. I suppose the grass always seems greener, but having a faster car doesn't mean it's more fun to drive. (e.g. a Miata)
I have many racing friends with Corvettes, and several of them are Z06's. They destroy me on the straights so I enjoy the challenge of catching them in the braking zones and the corners (running equal tires). On the more technical tracks it is usually a pretty close race lap time wise, but any track with long straights is a killer. Because of the extra speed they are even harder on brakes than we are.

Mike 12-17-2011 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1453173)
I guess that after doing track days and watching the vettes smoke me on the Road America straights,
When we went last year, that was the first time I ever missed my C6 with the supercharger.

spearfish25 12-17-2011 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1453425)
When we went last year, that was the first time I ever missed my C6 with the supercharger.
Well that makes me want the Z06 less knowing that the enjoyment factor leans to the Z in other circumstances. It's just very enticing when you see them rip past on the straights.

cossie1600 12-17-2011 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1453173)
I've heard other people say similar things about the vettes. I guess that after doing track days and watching the vettes smoke me on the Road America straights, I find myself very curious about ownership. I was actually strongly considering swapping the Z for a used 2006 Z06 that a guy in my building owns. I suppose the grass always seems greener, but having a faster car doesn't mean it's more fun to drive. (e.g. a Miata)
The car is not as precise in handling as the Z thanks to the soft suspension and the massive torque off the corner. It actually feels more like the 350 than the 370 in terms of its rawness. Personally, the amount of power freaked me out because I realize the faster you go, the harder you are going to fly off the track if you ever run into that situation....

Sharif@Forged 01-03-2012 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1445162)
Pads + lines + fluid + oil cooler.

Buy a helmet. Sign up for some HPDEs.

Go slowly. Listen to your instructor. LEARN.

Once you get a good feel for the car and become more confident in your abilities you can start evaluating what you would like to do with the car to make it better.
This pretty much sums it up. It's probably surprising to hear someone that makes a living selling parts and services for the 370Z, to say this but it's the absolute truth. The speed will come with experience and training and then we'll of course be ready to sell you all kinds of neat parts. :) But initially, all that one really needs is a good set of brake pads, brake lines, fluids, and an oil cooler.

Before investing in more equipment, you need to get to the point that your tires are squealing like angry witches pretty much ALL the time you are cornering. Only when you hear the angry witches will you know it's time for better wheels, tires, suspension, and so on.

Let us know if we can help. We are on track somewhere at least once a month in the South East and Mid Atlantic regions.

sfearl1 01-03-2012 07:15 PM
^^ love that advice! "squealing like angry witches", classic!

cdoxp800 01-03-2012 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang http://www.the370z.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Pads + lines + fluid + oil cooler.

Buy a helmet. Sign up for some HPDEs.

Go slowly. Listen to your instructor. LEARN.

Once you get a good feel for the car and become more confident in your abilities you can start evaluating what you would like to do with the car to make it better.
Very well said

I had me some angry witches Z Nationals. I had Never driven a track before. The instructor was fantastic. I learned so much. My only upgrades on my Z was Rotora 6/4 BBK, Swift Springs and Sway bars.
I am planing more trick time this year. I watched Sharif flying around the Track. The Man can drive... I am sure I will see you again this year Sharif.

ImportConvert 01-03-2012 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1453173)
I've heard other people say similar things about the vettes. I guess that after doing track days and watching the vettes smoke me on the Road America straights, I find myself very curious about ownership. I was actually strongly considering swapping the Z for a used 2006 Z06 that a guy in my building owns. I suppose the grass always seems greener, but having a faster car doesn't mean it's more fun to drive. (e.g. a Miata)
I love my Z06, but I'm trading it for a 370Z. You have some truth in that paragraph.

ImportConvert 01-03-2012 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1453489)
The car is not as precise in handling as the Z thanks to the soft suspension and the massive torque off the corner. It actually feels more like the 350 than the 370 in terms of its rawness. Personally, the amount of power freaked me out because I realize the faster you go, the harder you are going to fly off the track if you ever run into that situation....
Say...what? "soft suspension"? I own a Z06, and have been in/taken the 370Z w/sport on several test drives and have a friend with one. His 5-series BMW w/ Sport (or whatever BMW's suspension is called) corners flatter in his opinion/experience. I think the 370Z rides WAY softer than my Z06.

Sharif@Forged 01-04-2012 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cdoxp800 (Post 1474682)
Very well said

I had me some angry witches Z Nationals. I had Never driven a track before. The instructor was fantastic. I learned so much. My only upgrades on my Z was Rotora 6/4 BBK, Swift Springs and Sway bars.
I am planing more trick time this year. I watched Sharif flying around the Track. The Man can drive... I am sure I will see you again this year Sharif.
Definately. Since the weather is usually cold and miserable, I typically use Jan and Feb to recharge my brain, and my bank account..haha. Then back at it in March. See you out there soon.

SPOHN 01-04-2012 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged (Post 1475178)
Definately. Since the weather is usually cold and miserable, I typically use Jan and Feb to recharge my brain, and my bank account..haha. Then back at it in March. See you out there soon.
March 12 Road Atlanta Chin:tup:

sig11 01-04-2012 04:02 PM
I'm thinking about doing Skip Barber 1/28-1/30 at Road Atlanta. How miserable will that be? :P

SPOHN 01-04-2012 04:15 PM
I just signed up for ZNationals and this year there doing there track day at Barber. Aim for that.If your anybody that's the one to hit.

Mike 01-04-2012 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1475860)
I just signed up for ZNationals and this year there doing there track day at Barber. Aim for that.If your anybody that's the one to hit.
I can't believe you registered before I did! Thought I was going to be the first non Z1 person to do it

SPOHN 01-04-2012 08:17 PM
As soon as it was posted on FB it emailed me and I was on it. Now I have to go to work tomorrow get some days off.

cdoxp800 01-04-2012 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1475860)
I just signed up for ZNationals and this year there doing there track day at Barber. Aim for that.If your anybody that's the one to hit.
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1476285)
I can't believe you registered before I did! Thought I was going to be the first non Z1 person to do it

I registered today to. LOL

Mike 01-04-2012 08:41 PM
saw you on there too! Can't wait

cossie1600 01-04-2012 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1474929)
Say...what? "soft suspension"? I own a Z06, and have been in/taken the 370Z w/sport on several test drives and have a friend with one. His 5-series BMW w/ Sport (or whatever BMW's suspension is called) corners flatter in his opinion/experience. I think the 370Z rides WAY softer than my Z06.
I had a z51 c6, the suspension is soft on it.....

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5647/lipwe.jpg
Shot at 2011-08-22

Scraping from too much under cornering and braking

Viksz33 01-04-2012 10:26 PM
As everyone has said buy good brake lines, fluid, and pads. As well as a oil cooler. But the best mod for performance you can get besides the driver mod is an LSD and good tires along with plenty of track time.

Shamu 01-04-2012 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1476285)
I can't believe you registered before I did! Thought I was going to be the first non Z1 person to do it
Where do you register?

ImportConvert 01-05-2012 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1476474)
I had a z51 c6, the suspension is soft on it.....

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5647/lipwe.jpg
Shot at 2011-08-22

Scraping from too much under cornering and braking
Weird. None of the Z06's or ZR1's or Grand Sports at spring mountain did that while I was there, even on a hot lap with an instructor (not the demo lap, private lap, only car on the track), but maybe they had all been ground down by previous laps?

Still, I don't think the suspension is anywhere near as soft as the 370Z, just a lot more force on it from the more powerful car/harder braking/etc. and the lower ride height all playing more role than suspension.

SPOHN 01-05-2012 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1476617)
Where do you register?
Z Nationals Event Website

Skeeterbop 01-07-2012 11:51 AM
Still patiently waiting for some pics of the NISMO and C6 :tup:


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