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Bshields22 12-10-2015 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by totopo (Post 3364960)
On a like ~90 degree day at acs I hit like 230 on warm up, 265ish after first full lap (usually best time) then close to 280 after 2 more full laps, where the engine is noticeably slower, then ran a cool down lap after 3 green laps which usually got it to the 260-265 range. The stock oil cooler definitely does not cut it. I would strongly recommend you plan to have cool-down laps unless you are stuck behind traffic. For a 20 minute session I think I got usually like 5-6 full laps in, not counting first warm up and ending half a lap after checker. So I did warm up, 3 laps, cool down, 1-2 laps, checker i think. Probably better if you plan warm up, 2 laps, cool down, 2-3 laps, checker. I would also recommend you treat your warm up lap like a warm up and not to go crazy and overheat your engine on a useless lap.

According to motoiq, 280F is bad

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edit: apperently can't link to motoiq? just search for their 370z project car.

See, I can imagine a 90 degree day raising old temps, usually right now, especially in Jan when i begin my "tracking season", ambient temps never exceed 65-70 so i bet that will help a small bit. If I find that im getting to the 260-270 mark rather easy i will def do a cool down lap. Maybe its just me, but i think the guys (like you and maybe some others) are way more intense on the track than I am. I usually run 2:12's at autoclub and consider myself a casual track day guy. some of these guys are brutal which im sure makes the oil temps scream! Plus maybe 7AT dont get the engine as hot because the RPMS might not get as wild as a 6MT? just a theory....

Bshields22 12-10-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ban25 (Post 3364906)
With a 34-row cooler in my '09, I typically peak out at 240F on the track, including at ACS. Before that, I was hitting 300F and experiencing severe limp mode. Obviously the 2012+ model years have improved cooling, but I would still be concerned about hitting 260F+ because you are likely to get some reduction in performance even if it's not full on limp mode.

Whats times were you running at ACS. I had a base stock 09 7AT and never hit limp mode. I was kissing the 265-270 every now and then but never really got close the 280. i ran 2:10-2:12 times

street2soul 12-10-2015 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bshields22 (Post 3365029)
In my '09 Z i don't recall ever going passed maybe 265ish and same with my '12 Z however my only track day was wet so i pushed it about 85%. I may do one track day all out to get a baseline before I make a commitment. btw, is your video all out like that with oil temps still 260?

keeping this pace for around 10 laps~ 20 minute in the summer time will brings it to 270ish but it plateaus there. maybe if i ran more than 20 minute 100% i would go over, but never experienced it so far.
in this video weather was a cool~55-60F so i was maxing out no more than 260F.. i actually think cooling got better after several track events.. almost like "Track break-in".. maybe i have a freak oil cooler..

street2soul 12-10-2015 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by totopo (Post 3364960)
On a like ~90 degree day at acs I hit like 230 on warm up, 265ish after first full lap (usually best time) then close to 280 after 2 more full laps, where the engine is noticeably slower, then ran a cool down lap after 3 green laps which usually got it to the 260-265 range. The stock oil cooler definitely does not cut it. I would strongly recommend you plan to have cool-down laps unless you are stuck behind traffic. For a 20 minute session I think I got usually like 5-6 full laps in, not counting first warm up and ending half a lap after checker. So I did warm up, 3 laps, cool down, 1-2 laps, checker i think. Probably better if you plan warm up, 2 laps, cool down, 2-3 laps, checker. I would also recommend you treat your warm up lap like a warm up and not to go crazy and overheat your engine on a useless lap.

According to motoiq, 280F is bad

*****************************************/id/2720/project-nissan-370z--keeping-it-cool-with-a-csf-radiator-hps-hoses-and-a-nissan-motorsports-oil-cooler.aspx

edit: apperently can't link to motoiq? just search for their 370z project car.

true. if you start grooving on trackdays, sooner or later will need an oil cooler.. i need to stop being lazy and get an oil cooler

carlitos_370z 12-11-2015 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by street2soul (Post 3365109)
true. if you start grooving on trackdays, sooner or later will need an oil cooler.. i need to stop being lazy and get an oil cooler

hahaha! like i said.. i test already my stock oil cooler and work great enough at least for the track that i run here on PR... But already have my Stillen 25 rows oil cooler and can wait to tested :driving:

Tomorrow im going to install new rotors, brake pads brake fluid... Almost ready for January track day and test how much hold my new oil cooler. :tup:

street2soul 12-11-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by carlitos_370z (Post 3365301)
hahaha! like i said.. i test already my stock oil cooler and work great enough at least for the track that i run here on PR... But already have my Stillen 25 rows oil cooler and can wait to tested :driving:

Tomorrow im going to install new rotors, brake pads brake fluid... Almost ready for January track day and test how much hold my new oil cooler. :tup:

Lol I'm installing new rotors, brake pads fluid this weekend too. This thread made me just pull the trigger on 34 row oil cooler.. i'll be homeless by christmas

carlitos_370z 12-11-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by street2soul (Post 3365424)
Lol I'm installing new rotors, brake pads fluid this weekend too. This thread made me just pull the trigger on 34 row oil cooler.. i'll be homeless by christmas

Looooooool! nice bro! see it this way.... that is your own personal Christmas Gift ;)

BTW what brand of rotors and brake pads do you go?

Im going to install the EBC USR Ultimax rotors, EBC yellowstuff brake pads and Motul RBF600 as brake fluid :) can wait to see how this setup are going to work in the track and in my daily :stirthepot:

street2soul 12-11-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by carlitos_370z (Post 3365440)
Looooooool! nice bro! see it this way.... that is your own personal Christmas Gift ;)

BTW what brand of rotors and brake pads do you go?

Im going to install the EBC USR Ultimax rotors, EBC yellowstuff brake pads and Motul RBF600 as brake fluid :) can wait to see how this setup are going to work in the track and in my daily :stirthepot:


I heard good things about yellowstuff. not too noisy for DD and bites really well on the track. is the Ultimax rotors 2 piece or 1?
I got OEM blanks, Carbotech XP10 front and RBF600. it's always been the recipe that works for me on the track! Lol my friend suggested getting Duralast blank rotors from Autozone for $38 a piece, but I haven't seen anyone really reviewed them for track purpose. but we go through rotors pretty quick and maybe i'll try them out next time

carlitos_370z 12-11-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by street2soul (Post 3365448)
I heard good things about yellowstuff. not too noisy for DD and bites really well on the track. is the Ultimax rotors 2 piece or 1?
I got OEM blanks, Carbotech XP10 front and RBF600. it's always been the recipe that works for me on the track! Lol my friend suggested getting Duralast blank rotors from Autozone for $38 a piece, but I haven't seen anyone really reviewed them for track purpose. but we go through rotors pretty quick and maybe i'll try them out next time

Mines are 1 piece :) hahaha! if someone make the review for the Autozone blank rotors please have to let us know cause in rotors i spend a few $$$ lool! I was reading about the Carbotech bro and i almost buy those pads but i buy the EBC yellowstuuf to match my EBC rotors... next time im going to try it :tup:

Bshields22 12-11-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by street2soul (Post 3365105)
keeping this pace for around 10 laps~ 20 minute in the summer time will brings it to 270ish but it plateaus there. maybe if i ran more than 20 minute 100% i would go over, but never experienced it so far.
in this video weather was a cool~55-60F so i was maxing out no more than 260F.. i actually think cooling got better after several track events.. almost like "Track break-in".. maybe i have a freak oil cooler..

Sweet! I should be expecting similar temps then. Exactly what I needed to know. Thanks man!

ban25 12-11-2015 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bshields22 (Post 3365033)
Whats times were you running at ACS. I had a base stock 09 7AT and never hit limp mode. I was kissing the 265-270 every now and then but never really got close the 280. i ran 2:10-2:12 times

I run 2:08 at ACS. Even at 260, the engine's going to be slower...it seems to me that you start losing performance gradually at 240F and it gets really severe, to the point of restricting RPMs, at 260-280.

totopo 12-11-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bshields22 (Post 3365033)
Whats times were you running at ACS. I had a base stock 09 7AT and never hit limp mode. I was kissing the 265-270 every now and then but never really got close the 280. i ran 2:10-2:12 times

I was running 2:05-6 with passenger on OEM tire (stock everything) :D, but nowhere close to that record 2:01 posted T_T. Engine is significantly less peppy and just doesn't rev when it gets >260.

From what it looks like on this forum, the oil cooler definitely does something, so if you were fine without it, you should be even better with it (unless you have more mods on this one?)

And hmmm, next time I should just not engine brake as much, maybe just brake and downshift at last second. But my brakes also overheat after 3 laps T_T


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