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phunk 05-09-2013 11:55 AM

The Greddy oil pan is a gimmicky pan. Don't get me wrong i like the company and many of thir products. But the baffles in that pan aren't going to do anything productive. Keep in mind that the oil pickup is in the middle of that, sucking the oil out. So all those baffles can do at best is restrict oil from getting to the pickup... Because any oil they are "trapping" is going to have been sucked out immediately.

A functional baffled pan, unless you have good depth to work with (not a VQ), has to have moving parts. One way doors, like the pan this thread is about.

phunk 05-09-2013 11:58 AM

Not sure if I ever mentioned it on this forum or not.., and it doesn't apply to the VQ at all but is interesting none-the-less... Some years back I used to only build vipers. The factory race viper called the "competition coupe" had a oil pickup kit that we would order to install on street vipers converted to race duty.

It was a swinging pickup! It had a little rudder build into the pickup head and a swivel joint at the top of the tube. It would follow the oil around inside the pan! Pretty trick although I always wondered how many years it would last until it seized up. The viper engine has the worst oil pan setup a racer could ask for as it has a massive floor plan and very shallow... With no room to go down due to ground clearance.

Rusty 05-09-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2308265)
Not sure if I ever mentioned it on this forum or not.., and it doesn't apply to the VQ at all but is interesting none-the-less... Some years back I used to only build vipers. The factory race viper called the "competition coupe" had a oil pickup kit that we would order to install on street vipers converted to race duty.

It was a swinging pickup! It had a little rudder build into the pickup head and a swivel joint at the top of the tube. It would follow the oil around inside the pan! Pretty trick although I always wondered how many years it would last until it seized up. The viper engine has the worst oil pan setup a racer could ask for as it has a massive floor plan and very shallow... With no room to go down due to ground clearance.

At one point in my life. I drag raced Mopars. That swinging pick-up has been around since the late '60's. I've used it. ;)

Nixlimited 05-09-2013 03:15 PM

GTM is now selling a baffled high-capacity oil pan. Check it out.

wstar 05-09-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 2307934)
Don't forget the stock oil pump, it is a weak link with high temps and constant high RPM's. The billet replacement is $342 part # 15010-RRZ3C1 ordered through courtesyparts from Nissan Motorsports. It looks like it is a bit of a bitch to replace since you have to pull the timing cover and chain to get to it. See Repair manual section LU-10.

Oh! I thought they still only had one that fit the 35DE/HR engines, or did it end up being the same part? In any case, good find. Maybe I'll do that and a pre-emptive water pump replacement next time I have a chance to dig that deep on the car, maybe later this year.

ChrisSlicks 05-09-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2308738)
Oh! I thought they still only had one that fit the 35DE/HR engines, or did it end up being the same part? In any case, good find. Maybe I'll do that and a pre-emptive water pump replacement next time I have a chance to dig that deep on the car, maybe later this year.

It's in the Nissan Motorsports catalog listed as "new" and is for the VQ37VHR. Whether it's actually the same part or not I'm not sure.

Yes I was planning on doing the water pump at the same time "since I'm in there" but really don't have any desire to be in there any time soon :p In other words I want the results but don't want to do the work. :rolleyes:

Sh0velMan 05-09-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 2308785)
It's in the Nissan Motorsports catalog listed as "new" and is for the VQ37VHR. Whether it's actually the same part or not I'm not sure.

Yes I was planning on doing the water pump at the same time "since I'm in there" but really don't have any desire to be in there any time soon :p In other words I want the results but don't want to do the work. :rolleyes:

Is there any kind of upgraded water pump, or are we talking about just putting in a new OEM pump for the fresh seals and whatnot?

FAstGreg 05-10-2013 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2308700)
GTM is now selling a baffled high-capacity oil pan. Check it out.

Any links, picture or price ? Interesting to know if N/A version will be available, thanks:tup:

wstar 05-10-2013 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2308989)
Is there any kind of upgraded water pump, or are we talking about just putting in a new OEM pump for the fresh seals and whatnot?

That's all I was talking about: just refresh everything before it goes bad instead of waiting for failure. I doubt there's a true "upgrade" available, but it's possible once you dig around that there are multiple manufacturers of replacement pumps, and some are better quality than others. A somewhat-related example: instead of going to direct to Nissan, you can get wheel hubs (front and rear) from a couple of different aftermarket bearing/hub mfgs of varying quality and durability...

ChrisSlicks 05-10-2013 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2309453)
That's all I was talking about: just refresh everything before it goes bad instead of waiting for failure. I doubt there's a true "upgrade" available, but it's possible once you dig around that there are multiple manufacturers of replacement pumps, and some are better quality than others. A somewhat-related example: instead of going to direct to Nissan, you can get wheel hubs (front and rear) from a couple of different aftermarket bearing/hub mfgs of varying quality and durability...

Right, no upgrade on the water pump that I'm aware of. They seem to hold up fairly well and failure isn't catastrophic like it is with the oil pump.

Any opinion on the various hub manufacturers? I ended up ordering my new hubs through Nissan since the price was the same, not sure who's Nissan contract parts supplier is.

wstar 05-11-2013 01:49 AM

Timken's supposed to be pretty damn good, and (as of recently) they make both front and rear hubs for our car. I think Moog does at least the rears, maybe front too, but I suspect Timken's better. You can look up the Timken hubs here: http://www.showmetheparts.com/timken/

ChrisSlicks 05-11-2013 07:09 AM

Yeah, I've been using Timken for years without issue on other vehicles, also saw that Beck/Arnley is making hubs but they are more budget line I think. I wouldn't be surprised if these hubs Nissan sent are actually Timken, but I couldn't find any identifying marks.

I've only heard one complaint from a owner about Timken, and that was with a 25 year old Corvette running race tires. She said that the Timken's started out good for her but then they hadn't been holding up in recent years. That is just one part out of millions though.

L33T Z34 07-16-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2308738)
Oh! I thought they still only had one that fit the 35DE/HR engines, or did it end up being the same part? In any case, good find. Maybe I'll do that and a pre-emptive water pump replacement next time I have a chance to dig that deep on the car, maybe later this year.

The 350Z (vq35hr) and 370Z (vq37vhr) have the same OEM oil pump assy, part number: 15010-JK20D. After reading a few threads on here about catastrophic engine failure due to revving to 8k+ RPM, I will definitely upgrade to the NISMO oil pump assy, 15010-RRZ3C1.

SPOHN 07-17-2013 05:53 AM

Not sure why you would want to rev that high? There is no extra power being made that high in the revs.

ChrisSlicks 07-17-2013 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2407317)
Not sure why you would want to rev that high? There is no extra power being made that high in the revs.

With the right mods you can be making good power all the way to 8k. To come out ahead you simply need to be making more power up top than you would at your usual RPM return point, i.e. if you make more power at 8k than at 5.5k then you have more power under the curve and your new return point would be 6k.

SPOHN 07-17-2013 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 2407324)
With the right mods you can be making good power all the way to 8k. To come out ahead you simply need to be making more power up top than you would at your usual RPM return point, i.e. if you make more power at 8k than at 5.5k then you have more power under the curve and your new return point would be 6k.

That's true. But in order to make more power in that range will require cams.

SS_Firehawk 07-17-2013 07:58 AM

Or new IM with shorter runners and tuned headers for that rpm range, or an centi SC that has room to spin a bit more.

Sh0velMan 07-17-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2407411)
Or new IM with shorter runners and tuned headers for that rpm range, or an centi SC that has room to spin a bit more.

Pretty sure the stock one is tuned to like 9K RPM or something ridiculous.

It's cam timing and head flow that limit the top end on these cars.

And Chris (Spohn) all you have to do is make more power @ 8K than you do @ 5.5K and you automatically win.

Almost everyone makes more power @ 8K than 5.5K, even with zero mods (other than raising the limiter).

Shamu 07-21-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2407383)
That's true. But in order to make more power in that range will require cams.

While agree that we need more exhaust cam I may have some data that disputes lack of ability to make power above 7500 rpm with stock cams. And our cars with 4.09 rear end benefit greatly from higher redline. Not to mention shifting into even higher power band when you go into next gear. Unless you invest in close ratio tranny gears having higher rpm redline helps with our Grand Canyon tranny gearing.. Short shifting sucks with our stock gearbox.

chrischhorn 07-21-2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2407383)
That's true. But in order to make more power in that range will require cams.

ummmmm.....my max power is made at 8k.....

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps6a39da07.jpg

Shamu 07-22-2013 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischhorn (Post 2413125)
ummmmm.....my max power is made at 8k.....

I must be seeing things because "experts" on this gossip site said no way no how could u make power all the way to 8 grand. :roflpuke2:

But then this is same place where guys are slapping turbos on track cars with stock internals. Lol!

chrischhorn 07-22-2013 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2413171)
I must be seeing things because "experts" on this gossip site said no way no how could u make power all the way to 8 grand. :roflpuke2:

But then this is same place where guys are slapping turbos on track cars with stock internals. Lol!

I would set my car on fire if my car only made 317 with a turbo......Just saying :roflpuke2:

wstar 07-22-2013 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2413171)
I must be seeing things because "experts" on this gossip site said no way no how could u make power all the way to 8 grand. :roflpuke2:

Drunk again or what? I hate your attitude about half the time. Find a better site and go hang out there, instead of trolling here?

SPOHN 07-22-2013 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2413179)
Drunk again or what? I hate your attitude about half the time. Find a better site and go hang out there, instead of trolling here?

I totally agree.

And Shamu how soon we forget you too where FI. You going to call me out have the balls to say my name. It's not your car. Don't worry about it. I have the money to test the limits and suffer the aftermath as you do to with some of your bogus upgrades. You've been suspended here once I guess you don't learn? Your attitudes does suck! You have no respect for anyone here. IMO it seems as your car and the way you do things is so superior.

dastaco 07-22-2013 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2413201)
I totally agree.

And Shamu how soon we forget you too where FI. You going to call me out have the balls to say my name. It's not your car. Don't worry about it. I have the money to test the limits and suffer the aftermath as you do to with some of your bogus upgrades. You've been suspended here once I guess you don't learn? Your attitudes does suck! You have no respect for anyone here. IMO it seems as your car and the way you do things is so superior.

I still laugh thinking about him telling BJ how to drive Laguna only to have BJ thrash Shamu's lap time... despite having a heavier non-FI'd car. At the end of the day Shamu is a lot of hot air, big opinions, but no delivery. Best to let him troll all by his lonesome.

Rusty 07-22-2013 06:52 AM

I'm staying out of this. It will only come to no good. :(

Shamu 07-22-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dastaco (Post 2413225)
I still laugh thinking about him telling BJ how to drive Laguna only to have BJ thrash Shamu's lap time... despite having a heavier non-FI'd car. At the end of the day Shamu is a lot of hot air, big opinions, but no delivery. .

Uhhhhh my Laguna lap time was in full interior, street legal, stock motor 3512 lb car/ driver with A6s on stock wheels at a 90 db track day with my stock muffler. Was fuel starving on T4 on that fast lap too. Hope a full on race car in a race going 10/10 ths smashed my lap time?

And clarification I didn't tell BJ how to drive I just indicated Laguna was a power course and that I thought he'd have a challenge with power cars. He did very well regardless but fact stands its a course that puts premium on HP and brakes.

Believe what you like. Sorry that I don't share your opinion and speak my mind.

Shamu 07-22-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2413201)
I totally agree.

And Shamu how soon we forget you too where FI. You going to call me out have the balls to say my name. It's not your car. Don't worry about it. I have the money to test the limits and suffer the aftermath as you do to with some of your bogus upgrades. You've been suspended here once I guess you don't learn? Your attitudes does suck! You have no respect for anyone here. IMO it seems as your car and the way you do things is so superior.

I have lots of respect for people like Travis and others here just not few talking heads that seem to dominate many of threads here. My mild street legal supercharger install was truly stop gap until I had the 370z built into race car. I i did a couple laps on track and it was clear to me forced induction was a loser for a long term track car. Now that I'm building race car there's no way in hell I'd go FI with stock internal motor? I'm looking at NA 4.0 stroker build with dry sump. I don't need to spend $10k on turbo kit install to know it isn't well advised for a long term track car. But hey you have money to burn and more power to you! You'll have a cool ticking time bomb and I'm sure you will have a ...."blast"! I don't have money to waste and majority of work I have done on car is still there - not a lot of experimenting for me as I'm pretty conservative with my money. Sorry but I'm a born skeptic. And sorry if I rub some suspect characters here wrong way. I wont stop expressing my honest opinions. If you don't like what I post there is a simple solution just check ignore button. :confused:

travisjb 07-22-2013 10:06 PM

^ thanks man... back at you - good contributions and ppl need to relax getting horns locked b/c someone states an opinion... eg I have an FI with stock internals and no big deal if Shamu doesn't think that's the path (but **** does he know? - j/k :icon17:)

takjak2 07-22-2013 10:16 PM

Shhh Shhhh

On topic: so pretty

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/n...-dsc_3105s.jpg

travisjb 07-22-2013 10:37 PM

lol, yes, the oil pan... so baffled and high capacity


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