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justin_boy 05-13-2021 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3995102)
Well the tubes are threaded for the spring adjustment. If the lock nut is tight. You don't have anything to worry about. You will have more than enough threads for contact for the load.

That is right. What I’m asking is the aluminum as durable as the steel in terms of bending?

also even if I got the steel dampers I would have to make sure the double nut at the bottom is tight right?

i have the choice to switch still

Brendan 05-13-2021 10:44 PM

Probably not but not in any way that would be appreciable. The main reason other dampers are made of steel is for cost.

Rusty 05-13-2021 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by justin_boy (Post 3995112)
That is right. What I’m asking is the aluminum as durable as the steel in terms of bending?

also even if I got the steel dampers I would have to make sure the double nut at the bottom is tight right?

i have the choice to switch still

You're not going to bend them. They're not a MacPherson strut, which is load bearing.

Rusty 05-13-2021 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendan (Post 3995117)
Probably not but not in any way that would be appreciable. The main reason other dampers are made of steel is for cost.

Not really. My 3" custom valved King shocks on my Power Wagon are steel. I picked steel over aluminum for strength. The remote reservoirs are aluminum on them. Those shocks are over $5,000 for 4.

justin_boy 05-14-2021 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3995121)
Not really. My 3" custom valved King shocks on my Power Wagon are steel. I picked steel over aluminum for strength. The remote reservoirs are aluminum on them. Those shocks are over $5,000 for 4.

lol so why is it not applicable on the 370z? is it because of the way our suspension is set up?

Rusty 05-14-2021 01:13 AM

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lol so why is it not applicable on the 370z? is it because of the way our suspension is set up?

The Z is not experiencing the same forces as my truck offroad. I got around 16" of suspension travel. The shaft diameter is close to 3/4".

justin_boy 05-14-2021 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3995132)
The Z is not experiencing the same forces as my truck offroad. I got around 16" of suspension travel. The shaft diameter is close to 3/4".

Gotcha! Thank you for taking the time and explaining it to me like I’m
6. Okay so now I have peace of mind. I’ll stick with the aluminum damper body. Saves a pound each corner of unsprung weight and dissipates heat much quicker which apparently is important in double wishbone suspension

justin_boy 05-17-2021 02:49 AM

been thinking about changing the order to 18k front 16k rear, but im worried transitioning will be compromised. what do you guys think about that

Hotrodz 05-17-2021 12:32 PM

You need to consider that auto cross and circuit setups are different. Springs are easy items to change out. You have no aero. You also need to consider the track surfaces you run on. Bumpy and uneven surface are unforgiving if you spung too stiff. Smooth surfaces you can go stiffer. Do you like running curbs or not. Little things to consider. I would start were the majority do and then make adjustments as you get better and have a better idea of what might work best for you.

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justin_boy 05-17-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3995423)
You need to consider that auto cross and circuit setups are different. Springs are easy items to change out. You have no aero. You also need to consider the track surfaces you run on. Bumpy and uneven surface are unforgiving if you spung too stiff. Smooth surfaces you can go stiffer. Do you like running curbs or not. Little things to consider. I would start were the majority do and then make adjustments as you get better and have a better idea of what might work best for you.

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yes i see. I mostly run streets of willow and button willow but mostly 80% towards buttonwillow. Button willow is an amazing track, pretty smooth as you know yourself im sure lol. only bad part on the track is riverside and you have to avoid a couple curbs cause the car gets squirrelly over some curbs anyways. but i feel like there are some curbs (bus stop, phil hill, the esses) that love being eaten even with high spring rates. correct me if im wrong. also want to eventually do auto club fontana which is pretty smooth and chuckwalla i heard is great as well

i made the change to 18k front/16k rear, just cause i have the personality to always be like "shoot, shoulda went more" , and i can always get the 16k/14k if i find these too aggressive like you've said before

Hotrodz 05-17-2021 04:11 PM

Your ride, your money and you get to do whatever you want!

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Brendan 05-17-2021 05:58 PM

You might want to order set of helper springs for the fortunes as well. When I went that high a rate I lost a bunch of droop since the springs don't compress as much. Having more droop allows the car to stay better composed over rough surfaces. I needed to go to a 5 inch rear spring to make space but you can use the 7 inch front. Fortune should be able to sell you the helpers you need on their site but if not dm me and I can show you my setup.

Rusty 05-17-2021 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3995446)
Your ride, your money and you get to do whatever you want!

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Flat rock skipping across a pond comes to mind.

justin_boy 05-18-2021 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3995446)
Your ride, your money and you get to do whatever you want!

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haha i messed up didnt i

justin_boy 05-18-2021 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3995478)
Flat rock skipping across a pond comes to mind.

lol glad you guys are having fun at my expense

btw forgot to mention ill only be running r compound 100 tw tires as well

Hotrodz 05-18-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by justin_boy (Post 3995510)
haha i messed up didnt i

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Originally Posted by justin_boy (Post 3995511)
lol glad you guys are having fun at my expense

btw forgot to mention ill only be running r compound 100 tw tires as well

Not making fun of you and there is no messing up. You get to make your own choice as in picking a flat stone to skip across the pond. Some skip some don't and then you get to make another choice. We have been around a little while and we are still skipping stones across the pond. :tiphat:

cv129 05-18-2021 10:21 AM

Trial and error is always part of suspension setup. Have fun with it!

I wish it’s as easy as changing settings on a video game, or have a full crew to do the adjustment in an instant (air jacks built into the chassis, center locks, real time data, blah blah).

Just let me dream on….

redondoaveb 05-18-2021 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3995559)
Trial and error is always part of suspension setup. Have fun with it!

I wish it’s as easy as changing settings on a video game, or have a full crew to do the adjustment in an instant (air jacks built into the chassis, center locks, real time data, blah blah).

Just let me dream on….

.....on the fly adjustability :rofl2:

Rusty 05-18-2021 11:24 AM

Get everything dialed in for one track. The faster you go, the slower it feels. :driving: Go to a different track, and think of what an evil handling car you have. It wants to put you into the first fence you see. :eek: Everything feels like it's in hyper speed. Back to square one.

justin_boy 05-18-2021 01:48 PM

haha okay! so I did 16k/14k and left it at that. i also bought the 18k's because as cygnus told me, they are interchangeable on the fortunes. they use a 7" 60mm with an adapter in the rear for a 65 to 60. correct me if im wrong

justin_boy 05-27-2021 02:08 PM

alrighty boys

i canceled the 510's. wait time was becoming insane and some other stuff came up.

decided to go with mcs tt1 true type

figuring out rates but i think ill start with 14k front 6k rear.

i know its been discussed before but last time was a couple years ago.

just curious as to anyone having issues with the shock tower holding up?

if you guys have done any reinforcing what kind?

Rusty 05-27-2021 04:13 PM

At first I though you was going to say fudge it. Went out a got JRZ 4 ways with remotes.

justin_boy 05-27-2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3996554)
At first I though you was going to say fudge it. Went out a got JRZ 4 ways with remotes.

Haha don’t tempt me I’m feeling nutty

Rusty 05-27-2021 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by justin_boy (Post 3996605)
Haha don’t tempt me I’m feeling nutty

You got about $12,000 laying around?

Hotrodz 05-27-2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3996606)
You got about $12,000 laying around?

LOL, yep their 1 ways are 4k.

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DarkJak 05-28-2021 12:38 PM

I run 7k rear without reinforcing the shock tower. Now running rear aero with the NLR wing. Towers are still in good shape after a few years and a dozen plus track days with the true rear.
Several offs and lots of rumbles, too.

Hotrodz 05-28-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJak (Post 3996653)
I run 7k rear without reinforcing the shock tower. Now running rear aero with the NLR wing. Towers are still in good shape after a few years and a dozen plus track days with the true rear.
Several offs and lots of rumbles, too.

This a case of if it ain't broke don't fix it! It easy enough to fix if does go bad over time.

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justin_boy 06-04-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3996606)
You got about $12,000 laying around?

haha i barely had what it took to get the mcs

justin_boy 06-04-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJak (Post 3996653)
I run 7k rear without reinforcing the shock tower. Now running rear aero with the NLR wing. Towers are still in good shape after a few years and a dozen plus track days with the true rear.
Several offs and lots of rumbles, too.

sweet i appreciate it

thank you

justin_boy 06-04-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3996665)
This a case of if it ain't broke don't fix it! It easy enough to fix if does go bad over time.

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youre right, ill just check it often


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