Seethru. What you should do. Do a trackday or 2 with a bone stock car. With the VDC on. On used up tires. Push the hard as you can. Try to get the rear to step out. Feel what it's like to drive an unrulily car. It's call experience. Then slowly make your changes as you get faster with more track time. If you throw everything at the car all at once. You will have a big hole in your learning. If you make all the changes at once. There is a good chance that you will not get any faster. I've seen guys do one trackday. The next time I see them. They went out a bought a set of JRZ 4 way coil-overs. :yum: Have no idea on how to set them up. And spend the rest of the season trying to figure out why they never got out of the beginner group.

:iagree: It's like when bad drivers with no track experience go out and buy a Lambo or Porsche 911S to learn how to drive fast.

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ok guys just gonna spend 5 years with traction control on and then i'll come back to this thread

Do want you want. It's your money. We are just trying to tell things from our experience. A lot of the guys who chimed in have years of track experience. My track time goes all the way back to the mid 70's. I've seen guys like you jump in with both feet and then bail out before the season was over. Asked them why. It started out as fun, but then realizes that they was in over their heads in learning car set up. Couldn't figure why they wasn't getting faster. And no longer enjoyed it. Want to know what is an ego destroyer is. Passing a Miata coming out of a turn. Then only to have it pass you on the brakes going into the next turn. And if there is a series of turns. He lost you. You won't even see his tail lights.

I think all of us here understand that the basic longevity/safety mods don't really affect how the car drives. Oil cooler, brake fluid, brake pads.

It's different than taking a stock car, before you've driven it, and removing the electronic aids, adding a bunch of camber, making it stiffer, and throwing power at it hoping it makes you a faster driver.

Ok

I usually do mods because they interest me. Since I'm waiting till I track it a bit more before I swap wheels/suspension and other things that permanently change handling.
I need to find small things to do to change stuff.
Cool thing about something like this is it's just a switch and I can turn it off.
So I can directly compare the experience with TC off, Tc on, yaw off.
Which is helpful so I can understand what each setting is doing. And it alleviates my boredom.

I think that Z-tech module with easy on/off button looks pretty simple!

I still rarely shut mine off, I've learned to drive fast with it. I think I have put down some fairly decent lap times on street tires. If anything it keeps me more comfortable to drive closer to the limit more often.

I agree. Ssfirehawk has a custom Tc set up and it’s magic. I was highly impressed with it on the track last spring.

custom TC is the reason I'm so interested in motec. After watching Sasha Anis talk about it on the speed academy channel

I had my 370z tuned & did not feel any difference. I put a sprint booster on my car & I cant believe the difference it made the power I felt. I spent thousands of dollars to gain more power. What a wast of money. All I needed was a sprint booster. I already know it dose not give you any more HP then the car already has BUT it give you the power the car already has instantly. There is just one problem I have now. After two years driving with the sprint booster it stopped working & no one seems to know what the problem is & Im out of money to find out plus I dont even know where to take the car to find out why it dose not work any more even if I had the money. I have 3 sprint boosters so I know it not the sprint booster that is not working.

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Any competent tuner is capable of adjusting your vehicle throttle input so that it is identical to a sprint booster module. All sprint booster does is increase the voltage to trick the computer into thinking the gas pedal is pushed down further than it actually is. A tuner can do the exact same thing. The problem with doing it this way is the reduction of precision of the throttle input. What's the point of having a full pedal throw when you program WOT into the first 1/2 of the pedal travel. Which is why you don't see any tuners doing this.

Obviously your tuner didn't even touch the throttle response because you definitely would have noticed a difference.

On my first track day I beat far more experienced drivers and it had nothing to do with skill and was only because I was in a faster car with better handling. A car which I had already modified to be faster. I even got within a second the time a guy with 2 years experience on the same course got with his stock 370.

A lot of the advice here that you can't go faster without seat time is just wrong.

Who said that?

I don't think that's what anyone is trying to say. More that the stock car is plenty capable for a novice driver. And it is a better value to spend money on seat time with an instructor than on modifications. Seat time is just more valuable in general - you can take it with you to another car. And for a novice, most people would recommend the seat time before going hog wild on mods with limited initial return value.

Put that experienced driver in your car and see how much faster he is. And how fast would you be in his stock car? I think that data might give you a reasonable indication of the value of mods vs seat time.