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Hotrodz 02-02-2018 02:07 PM

Wild Horse Pass Bondurant Course
 
This past Sunday second session HPDE3. My buddy wanted me to get some video of his 2014 1le Camaro. He is 485whp/432tq and I was running on Map 2 488whp/454tq. You can really get a feel for the low end torque of the v8. I could not use 2nd gear in the slow turns as the torque comes on too strong and I end up spinning the tires so I stay in 3rd. In the time attack competition he prevailed by .02 keeping me off the podium. :shakes head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOvL3jWHBx0

Rusty 02-02-2018 10:23 PM

:driving: :tup:

Hotrodz 02-02-2018 11:42 PM

Both me and my partner in crime were told by the group leader that we were done in group 3. LOL! Time to play with the big boys and girls.

Hotrodz 02-10-2018 09:51 PM

One more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvjIC1evimM

takjak2 02-12-2018 01:13 PM

If you're not HPDE 3 or better, don't read this. My comment is for Hotrodz and not meant for HPDE 1 or 2 beginners.

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I always want to see the Zs be faster, so I will tell you what most HPDE coaches won't. Especially with your level of power, you need to actively "set" the car much quicker so you can get back on the gas hard(er). You have very smooth hands, which is good for HPDE, but on the exit of many corners you should snap back to straight as soon as possible. In HPDE it feels good to maintain those lateral G forces while you unwind, but to beat the clock you'll need to be more aggressive.

Hotrodz 02-12-2018 02:07 PM

[QUOTE=takjak2;3729839]If you're not HPDE 3 or better, don't read this. My comment is for Hotrodz and not meant for HPDE 1 or 2 beginners.

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I always want to see the Zs be faster, so I will tell you what most HPDE coaches won't. Especially with your level of power, you need to actively "set" the car much quicker so you can get back on the gas hard(er). You have very smooth hands, which is good for HPDE, but on the exit of many corners you should snap back to straight as soon as possible. In HPDE it feels good to maintain those lateral G forces while you unwind, but to beat the clock you'll need to be more aggressive.
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:iagree: Takjak2 thanks for the advice as I believe you are spot on. I have worked really hard at being smooth and not upsetting the car and feel that I am efficient at that part of the game and as you noticed I lack speed coming out of low speed corners. It is my next area of focus as I know I am leaving quite a bit of time out on the track.

hotprops 02-12-2018 04:32 PM

hotrodz ,some nice driving in those 2 vids.some 40+ years ago i was into some scca formula v and ford at places like the glen and bridgehampton ,limerock .your z car is a real performer in good hands. makes me want to go out and get some real tires and rims .a nizmo catback ,and a rev tune .and beat the sh.. out of it .i am very close to sebring now. o to be young again.just had the z delivered 6 weeks ago and i am having a blast .need to find a safe place .be well and carry on you are very smooth.and you gave me a taste of what these z cars can be capable of of .thanks

Hotrodz 02-12-2018 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hotprops (Post 3729893)
hotrodz ,some nice driving in those 2 vids.some 40+ years ago i was into some scca formula v and ford at places like the glen and bridgehampton ,limerock .your z car is a real performer in good hands. makes me want to go out and get some real tires and rims .a nizmo catback ,and a rev tune .and beat the sh.. out of it .i am very close to sebring now. o to be young again.just had the z delivered 6 weeks ago and i am having a blast .need to find a safe place .be well and carry on you are very smooth.and you gave me a taste of what these z cars can be capable of of .thanks

Thank you sir, I really appreciate the compliments. My brother call me a late bloomer because I did my first track day a year ago this September. I a young 57 and having the time of my life. Lots of great inspiration here on the forum. One of the guys I hang with is a 72 year old instructor the drives a c6 Corvette. He was last years TT Big Bore points champion. He said I "can't go as hard and fast as the rest of the field but I never miss an event. I just love being on the track." I put my arms around him and said; I want to be like you when I grow up. I though that was pretty cool and we both had a good laugh.

As Steve McQueen said..."Racing is life, everything else is waiting!"

Rusty 02-12-2018 10:00 PM

You're still a slow poke. :stirthepot: :driving: :rofl2:

Hotrodz 02-12-2018 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3729976)
You're still a slow poke. :stirthepot: :driving: :rofl2:

A slow poke is better than no poke!

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Rusty 02-12-2018 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3729985)
A slow poke is better than no poke!

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You got a ton of poke in the car, don't know about you. :rofl2:

AlWakRa 02-13-2018 03:30 PM

Wow very smooth in your steering inputs, hope to get this well with steering, although as mentioned, you struggle with power delivery, I feel the track is a little bumpy and this is a factor ;)

Rusty 02-13-2018 04:11 PM

When you get into a rhythm where everything seems to slow down. Then you know you're going fast. :driving:

Hotrodz 02-13-2018 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3730176)
Wow very smooth in your steering inputs, hope to get this well with steering, although as mentioned, you struggle with power delivery, I feel the track is a little bumpy and this is a factor ;)

I'm still trying to figure some things out being boosted. A couple the turns I should be down shifting to 2nd gear, but I stay in 3rd because I spin in 2nd gear even when the r888 are up to temperature and that day the track temps in the morning were in the 50s. I actually spun out coming out of the turns after 4 laps of warming up the tire. I hit the throttle and next thing I know I'm sideways.

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Spooler 02-13-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3729976)
You're still a slow poke. :stirthepot: :driving: :rofl2:

Hey may be slow but he sure as hell smiling the whole way.

AlWakRa 02-14-2018 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3730243)
I'm still trying to figure some things out being boosted. A couple the turns I should be down shifting to 2nd gear, but I stay in 3rd because I spin in 2nd gear even when the r888 are up to temperature and that day the track temps in the morning were in the 50s. I actually spun out coming out of the turns after 4 laps of warming up the tire. I hit the throttle and next thing I know I'm sideways.

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It is the exact problem that my friend faced with his C6Z06, he installed heads and cam and he got around 650whp @ dyno, he said even in third the car isn't hooking on r888r, next thing he did was to get Hoosier A7 for the track :yum: but we have a flat track, I am sure it is harder to do with the turbo spool in the track you attend. I am sure you will do much better in tracks with higher speed turns.

Hotrodz 02-14-2018 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3730338)
It is the exact problem that my friend faced with his C6Z06, he installed heads and cam and he got around 650whp @ dyno, he said even in third the car isn't hooking on r888r, next thing he did was to get Hoosier A7 for the track :yum: but we have a flat track, I am sure it is harder to do with the turbo spool in the track you attend. I am sure you will do much better in tracks with higher speed turns.

:iagree: Next season I may will probably get a set of Hoosier since I have two sets of race wheels.

Spooler 02-14-2018 07:43 PM

Hotrodz, How are you getting on the throttle? Do you know where your spoolup threshold is? What RPM. One trick is to enter the turn faster, at higher RPM and under boost, and stab on and off the brake to keep the car on boost while still mashing the throttle. This will keep the car from going through the spoolup threshold that unsettles the car in the rear when exiting. The bad, your car has got to stick in the middle of the turn at a faster speed. Turbo cars can be a pain in the butt to drive correctly. Try some different stuff from more experienced folks at the track. Someone has to know what can help you get through the turn and exit at a good speed.

Hotrodz 02-14-2018 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3730594)
Hotrodz, How are you getting on the throttle? Do you know where your spoolup threshold is? What RPM. One trick is to enter the turn faster, at higher RPM and under boost, and stab on and off the brake to keep the car on boost while still mashing the throttle. This will keep the car from going through the spoolup threshold that unsettles the car in the rear when exiting. The bad, your car has got to stick in the middle of the turn at a faster speed. Turbo cars can be a pain in the butt to drive correctly. Try some different stuff from more experienced folks at the track. Someone has to know what can help you get through the turn and exit at a good speed.

Boost come on early at about 2500 or so there is no real way to ease in to it. Hopefully some day there will be boost by gear so no boost in first or second but so far no go on that. Hard to find boosted rear wheel drive cars at the track. Most are front wheel or AWD cars. I will try your heel toe method and see if that helps. I really am hoping the new NT01's prove to be sticky enough to hold the power.

Spooler 02-14-2018 09:34 PM

Yikes, 2500 is way early. No wonder they call a stage 1 FI kit a torque monster. If that is the case you may consider going faster in the corners that you can and waiting to roll on the go pedal until you are just about out of the turn. No wonder you are having trouble. Bigger turbo's will help that. LOL

Hotrodz 02-15-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3730619)
Yikes, 2500 is way early. No wonder they call a stage 1 FI kit a torque monster. If that is the case you may consider going faster in the corners that you can and waiting to roll on the go pedal until you are just about out of the turn. No wonder you are having trouble. Bigger turbo's will help that. LOL

That is why I am considering stage 2 turbos when I build the engine. Seb can't keep the tq down and has told me more than once that my motor is one if the torque-iest motors he has tuned. She make power!

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NextLevel 02-28-2018 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3727164)
Both me and my partner in crime were told by the group leader that we were done in group 3. LOL! Time to play with the big boys and girls.

Love it! Considering you flew by traffic by 30+mph each pass I'd say they so as well! Good stuff Bob, keep it up!


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