370z crashed at VIR? member here?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrA2_ivOtWM

i was cringing the whole time.... ewww :crying:

out-of-car shot? or maybe from the bimmer?

Uploaded by MightyBobo o_O

wow... you're correct!

http://images54.fotki.com/v556/photo...8_25_36-vi.jpg

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Here's the thread: http://www.the370z.com/mid-atlantic-...v-16-17-a.html

Haha I saw this like a month ago from the man himself. ;)

at least it only looks superficial

Wow, that sucks.

I remember spinning my Mustang at VIR. Luckily I didn't hit anything... but it was a bit of a scare!

Found the other camera :) but :( for the car

...and this, my friends, is why I'm too chicken to turn off VDC when I'm at the track. Granted the driver's reaction to counter-steer the slide was too slow and insufficient. Easy to be a judge from a desk watching a video though. Sorry about the car and experience, but glad the repairs are going well. http://www.the370z.com/mid-atlantic-...v-16-17-a.html

:crying::crying::crying::crying:

I honestly don't understand why that happened. I have raced VIR many times, including working the flags at that turn, and to have him hit driver's right at that location, front first, is an akward point of impact for that turn. He should have lifted and/or countersteered, and at some point slammed on the brakes. Most spins happen down the hill drivers left. It almost looks like he had a stuck throttle or he didn't counter steer.

Awe that is aweful, but looks like the damage isn't too bad. Consider it a lesson learned. :( At least you hopefully have it out of your system.

How much track experience do you have? Who was your instructor?

Some of us who are newer to the track aren't quite as quick on the countersteer (I'll speak for myself here). I looped it at Infineon over Turn 2 on cold tires (first turn out after lunch) and I did basically the same thing. I kept my foot too far into the throttle a bit too long and didn't countersteer quickly enough when it started to come around. I am also used to midengine cars where the consequences of lifting can be worse than keeping your foot steady.

Luckily for me I stayed on track, only rolling off to let people by, but I can see how this would happen.

He was being told to trailbrake around that corner on his first track day ... that should've been slow in power out his first time there..

Needed to countersteer more and faster to try and save that.

My advice... sign up at iRacing.com and practice, practice, practice!

that sucks so bad

watch his RPM gauge and you will notice he was way to high of a gear for that turn and should have down shifted I think at mid turn his RPMs were at 2500-3200 which to me is way too low for any type of throttle response or recovery. Also his line that he took was more conductive to oversteer and I think the combination of that and his breaking technique sent him in that direction. But that is just my opinion from what I could gather from the incar video... what do yall think?

Looked like he was at about 5k rpm when the slide first started and then the RPM dropped into the 3k range during the slide. Not sure how that would have contributed. However after watching it over and over, it looks like he took that corner way too hot given how sharp that corner was. When I first watched, I thought he slide on a gentle left-right transition. Watching again, that was essentially a 90 degree right hand turn. No way he was going to pull that off at those speeds.

Sorry Bobo!

Trailbraking or not, he turned in way too early for that particular corner. You need to hug the 2nd half of that apex to make the turn correctly and set up for the next corner.

I'm boggled as to how this happened. It looks like slow motion in the video. Seems like he should have been accelerating at that point.

Yeah, I don't think he came in too hot, if so he would have gone off driver's left, not right - I've done it, the momentum throws you off the track, down the hill. And trailbraking at a first HPDE is not a problem; as an experienced driver, there is nothing wrong with promoting/teaching that early on. I do agree he turned in too early, and he forgot the all important, when in a spin, 2 feet in. It is a track day, not a race, so once you are out of control, don't risk trying to power out of it, just hit the brakes.

As for iracing.com, I agree to do that, it actually has my race car as an option (spec racer ford), and I have tested that system before and it is probably the best out there.

At least he had a positive attitude, and will fix it, and hopefully have fun again.

Yeah watching the in-car footage again and again, he most definitely wasn't coming in too hot. I swear besides turning in a tad early (if that) it looks as though he hits some oil or something.

Strange but there will be other track days!!!!

I think this most accurately summed it up. Obviously, I don't think anyone is critisizing the driver, but we can all learn from mistakes and make this a teach-able moment as our President is fond of saying. :) When you track your car long enough, it's only a matter of time before you go off-roading and hit something....hopefully something soft.

Here is one of my laps at VIR a couple months ago. Forward to 1:40 to view the same section of track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-xvHyuTXs
Just a hair later on turn in, gradually apply power and the car will naturally track to the outside.

It's hard to gauge speed in the video, but I am inclinded to think there may have been something on track or slippery. Either way, a quicker lift of the throttle, a faster correction and/or full lock braking if needed would have kept the car off the barrier. Live and learn, and get back in the saddle quickly.

And this is why I have a dedicated race car - I just don't want to wreck my DD. Think about all of things that could happen: you spin, someone spins you, you hit someone whose spun, you have a car failure, a tire failure, .....

Here is my racetrack DD

That's all fine and dandy but mostly the point of driving your DD (even if it's not really a DD as in my case) at the track on a day of hotlapping is really to see what your individual car will do and what you are comfortable with. If I had a dedicated race car, I would be doing just that... racing. Hotlapping and racing are two very different things.

^^ I agree, but it is a lot of wear/tear on a car that you hope to drive the next day, every day, which is the point I am making. Plus the red mist will always get to you, as this example shows, and now you are in a rental car. You can always find the limits of your car in slower speed events like auto-x (did that for 5 years), and really tighten your driving skills, and find the limits of your car, in the typical speed range you would be in on the roads.

If you really looked at the dollars you put into a DD to put it on the track, you could easily buy a dedicated race car - there are cheap ones out there, and I guarantee you will have just as much fun, and it will be safer. I have seen too many DD's wrecked at an event, either poorly instructed, or poorly insured, and the car is totalled, and the driver is injured - no 5 point seat belts, no rollcages, firesuits, fuel cutoff, HANS, etc.

yep, my 370 is pretty much my dedicated track car, but I do drive it on the streets also. My C6 is my back up street car, but I'm not sure how long its gonna be until I totally strip and cage the Z, and take it off the streets altogether.

I'll give it until the New Years. :bowrofl:

no, a little longer than that, since its street season for a couple months! No track days until march or april.

That's what happens with yalls' fancy synchro rev :)


Mightybobo:

Get it fixed up and go back out to have some fun!

Im sure Sharif may have a few track days he could pull together for you lol

in all reality he is probably gonna be tied up with my build, his Track 370z and the GTR :happydance:

Sharif is gonna be a busy boy :D

ouch! at least you're ok...I've spent some time um...sliding on my butt at VIR...except I race motorcycles there so the crashes are a little bit scary at times. My worst was crashing at turn 7 (North) so fast that I slid all the way to South! I was fortunate that I just slid and my bike did to...what sucked is that I was gridded last and made it all the way to 12th at the time of the crash, I passed a guy late and we bumped...I had to bin it to keep us both from crashing. 40th to 12th would have been good enough I guess...

Be safe!

Sebring Jan 2-3 with Chin Motorsports. Lets start the year off big a bang! :tup:

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going to Colorado with wife's family that week :(

excuses, excuses. :)

I took your advice and all I can say is thanks. I havent stoped since the first day I joined. A great learning tool.

ROFL - how did I JUST find this thread? Probably like how it took AK forever to find the original thread :-p

I DEFINITELY took that corner much faster than I had ALL of my other sessions, I can promise you that. I didnt apex the initial left hand turn far enough, and I cut too far in on the next right. Every other session I was flying through there compared to everyone else, so I felt I had a very good handle on it. Obviously, I let it get to me and I tried it a bit hotter than usual. Unfortunately, a "bit" ended up being more like a mouthful I couldn't handle heh.

BTW, you all arent the only ones who are thinking I should have gone left at that point, but I honestly think it came back to the right into the guardrail because I didn't sense the oversteer quickly enough to countersteer. If I did, It probably would have flipped around.

I should have the car back in a day or two - shops taking its time on repairs, mainly due to holiday-time shipping issues, and Im ok with that.

Oh, cant remember who said it, but Im not particularly scared of an incident like this...it helps having a dedicated DD and truck to tow the car to the event and back :)

So when is your next track day? We will be at VIR for a special GT-R private track event on Feb 22rd (Monday) if you are interested in coming. Jump back on the horse! :) About 10 cars on VIR full course at a time. :)

Oy, 10 cars? Nice - compared to the 30+ I had to put up with...we had traffic up the *** (which, on a 3+ mile course, sounds ridiculous if you ask me).

I'm jumping back on the horse as soon as its financially possible. February is probably way too soon sadly. More than likely, somewhere around June-ish Im guessing. My first one back in the saddle will probably be the ITR Expo (if it happens this year, at least...).

I cant wait to get back out on the track, it was an amazing time!