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wishihadnav 05-03-2010 12:19 PM
i was hoping that Shayne could catch him, n he almost did in the 2nd, but Floyd is too damn quick and skilled..cant wait for the Paquio fight!

sylenze 05-03-2010 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 522961)
i was hoping that Shayne could catch him, n he almost did in the 2nd, but Floyd is too damn quick and skilled..cant wait for the Paquio fight!
as a pacquiao fan i am scared for him to fight mayweather... he won't be able to deal with mayweather's wrestling (which is part of boxing not a knock at mayweather)... but nonetheless it will still be a classic fight... pac's movements vs. mayweather's boxing... the only person right now i think will win against mayweather hands down is cotto, who is being trained by emanuel steward... a fight which won't happen because mayweather would not want to fight him and he moved up on weight...

wishihadnav 05-03-2010 02:10 PM
it'll be a very tough fight for Manny..Floyd has a slight speed and size advantage on him...Cotto is out of the question...after his disappointing fight with Manny there's no way in hell Floyd's camp would consider him (not enought draw)...they want Manny, actually they want the Money..haha!!..the only option for Floyd at this point would be Manny or pack on 10/15lbs n square off with pavlick, spinks or williams...Dont think it will happen but you never know.

370Zsteve 05-03-2010 02:31 PM
Manny vs Floyd this November count on it! Follow the money!

wishihadnav 05-03-2010 02:44 PM
^haha hopefully...man i hope Floyd gets knocked out tho..his head has gotten too damn big...im not hatin but that fool changed his name from "Pretty Boy" to "MONEY"...lmfao!!!..if n when this comes off it'll be the biggest fight of the decade...

wishihadnav 05-03-2010 02:49 PM
Oh im gonna pick a winner now and say its Manny...Floyd did look good on sat but look who he's fought since he "came outa retirement"...De la Hoya (washed up)...Ricky Hatton (super washed up)...Marquez (washed up)...n Shayne (NOT washed up but 38)...Floyd's camp does pick fights well..hahaha!

sylenze 05-03-2010 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 523127)
Manny vs Floyd this November count on it! Follow the money!
espn is reporting that pac is supposedly softening stance on blood testing... wAAAAAAAAAAAAAt! i hope nobody votes for him... but am still scared... gonna be epic fight...

vash_241987 05-03-2010 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sylenze (Post 523415)
espn is reporting that pac is supposedly softening stance on blood testing... wAAAAAAAAAAAAAt! i hope nobody votes for him... but am still scared... gonna be epic fight...
lol, yeah well my dad told me that he hopes pac doesn't give up on boxing for the philippine politics....which is not that all great...

HT Rambler 05-03-2010 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vash_241987 (Post 522866)
Cause he does not have to!!!! Why succumb to your oppents wants? As the vid stated Jr. was afraid of losing, why didn't he ask blood test from marquez and other fighter? If he is so good, why worry about a filipino that has no skill (as his father stated) and force him to do a test? Its not required by NV to take a blood test. Its a ******* mind game for mayweather he likes to get under peoples, so why do it if its just for own pleasure? They take test after the fight so if pac was PED then he could be disqualified. All these mayweather fans are saying that pac is hiding something just cause Sr. brought it up, damn fool can't make up his mind, says the pac sucks, yet now the clearly states that he is using PED. If Sr. was SOOO ******* certain that us filipinos had a magical drug then produce it (which they probably have used since they are so knowledgeable of the drug)

Quote from The Ring magazine April 2010:

Jr. "because we know the philippines got the BEST enhancement drugs."

So my question to you is what is this PED that we make? Where it is? Can you find a sample? Maybe its just really good coffee that the us filipnos make? Maybe its the balut that we have?

Its filipino pride dude, why be forced to do something that you don't have to do? Maybe the pride has to do with being under different dictators and countries oppressing the people?

It def. would have been easier if pac just did the test, but it pac not me


cliff notes: Pac did not do blood test cause he doesn't have to. Jr./Sr. should provide a sample of this "PED" that filipinos make.

P.S. sorry dude, but you got my blood boiling, lol ;)
Of course he does not have to , but the question is does he want to. :tup:
His father said this, Bert Sugar said that , he pissed me off , he pissed aunt Ester off ..yada yada yada. Now if you really want to fight bring it on . Whats the big deal about taking the test after and not before ??? This is how it works pac wins then take the test it comes up positive guess what all the naysayers say ???? Yep it was riigged , in the meantime pac is champion it's all over the news etc...
He's not worried about a fillipino with no skills. The fillipino certainly is not worried about the no skills all mouth , his daddy said this , aunt ester said that Mayweather. Besides who's scared of a scary fighter ?? Not the pacster !!

HT Rambler 05-03-2010 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 523147)
Oh im gonna pick a winner now and say its Manny...Floyd did look good on sat but look who he's fought since he "came outa retirement"...De la Hoya (washed up)...Ricky Hatton (super washed up)...Marquez (washed up)...n Shayne (NOT washed up but 38)...Floyd's camp does pick fights well..hahaha!
don't forget about the other 42 others :bowrofl: Don't slight those helpless soles. Oh yea remmember the Delahoya bout haters were even saying he won at the time.
Now list the pac's bouts and pick out a good top 5. Oh yes don't count the ones he lost??:eekdance:

ct63084 05-03-2010 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HT Rambler (Post 523586)
don't forget about the other 42 others :bowrofl: Don't slight those helpless soles. Oh yea remmember the Delahoya bout haters were even saying he won at the time.
Now list the pac's bouts and pick out a good top 5. Oh yes don't count the ones he lost??:eekdance:
Undefeated dont' really mean anything. If you look all throught out boxing history the best ones lost a couple of fights.

Ali- 5 losses-56 wins
duran- 16 losses- 103 wins
Joe louis- 3losses- 63 wins

If undefeated record is what floats your boat then Chris John should be the best boxer in the world.

Pacman top opponent
Ledwaba- Best bantamweight at the time
Barrera- HOF
JMM-HOF
Morales-HOF(fought this three legends back to back to back and tune up fights in the middle inlcuding trilogy with moralez)
David Diaz- decent
ODLH- Made this dude quit on the stool
hatton- Should have call the cops cause this was a murder scene
Cotto- demolished

PBF
Diego Coralles- HOF
Joe Luis castillo-HOF best fighter and fight floyd ever fought
Then he falls off from there
Gatti-
Judah-wack
Baldomir-LOl
ODLH-HOF(i had PBF winning this one, but a close one though)
Hatton- Best fight he fought since jose luis
JMM-HOF dominated(made this dude climb up from 135 to 147, then floyd comes in overweight)
Mosley- HOF dominated

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 01:14 AM
Man I can go on n on about floyd but basically he's only had one real fight n that was with castillo...evryone else was either washed up or overmatched...where was he when all the welters were actually in their prime??..he waits till they washed up...hahah..he's a joke..end of rant/

HT Rambler 05-04-2010 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ct63084 (Post 523612)
Undefeated dont' really mean anything. If you look all throught out boxing history the best ones lost a couple of fights.

Ali- 5 losses-56 wins
duran- 16 losses- 103 wins
Joe louis- 3losses- 63 wins

If undefeated record is what floats your boat then Chris John should be the best boxer in the world.

Pacman top opponent
Ledwaba- Best bantamweight at the time
Barrera- HOF
JMM-HOF
Morales-HOF(fought this three legends back to back to back and tune up fights in the middle inlcuding trilogy with moralez)
David Diaz- decent
ODLH- Made this dude quit on the stool
hatton- Should have call the cops cause this was a murder scene
Cotto- demolished

PBF
Diego Coralles- HOF
Joe Luis castillo-HOF best fighter and fight floyd ever fought
Then he falls off from there
Gatti-
Judah-wack
Baldomir-LOl
ODLH-HOF(i had PBF winning this one, but a close one though)
Hatton- Best fight he fought since jose luis
JMM-HOF dominated(made this dude climb up from 135 to 147, then floyd comes in overweight)
Mosley- HOF dominated
Undefeated means absolutely zero , an undefeated champion means you dodged all the good fighters , waited untill they died or could not box then you jump in and became the champ. Money can't box but he seems to be pretty smart :tup:
Why didn't pac be smart and do all the same things instead of loosing fights ??? All those bumbs you got up there never even heard of them (there is a reason for that). ;)
Reminds me of my friend die heart fan for his team always calling out these names of players that i never heard of (but they are superstars) yea right !!

ct63084 05-04-2010 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HT Rambler (Post 524145)
Undefeated means absolutely zero , an undefeated champion means you dodged all the good fighters , waited untill they died or could not box then you jump in and became the champ. Money can't box but he seems to be pretty smart :tup:
Why didn't pac be smart and do all the same things instead of loosing fights ??? All those bumbs you got up there never even heard of them (there is a reason for that). ;)
Reminds me of my friend die heart fan for his team always calling out these names of players that i never heard of (but they are superstars) yea right !!
I'm sorry then, from that post i could tell that you are just a mayweather fan not a boxing fan. You never heard of Joe louis best boxer ever, you never heard of barrera, morales and JMM. All I gotta say is wow, those three is what kept boxing up. Lol damn bandwagoner, this dude comes here arguing mayweather is the best and never heard of barrera, morales and joe louis.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 09:03 AM
There's no doubt that Manny has taken the tougher fights..its not even close...btw if u don't know who Joe Louis is then u have no business posting in this thread..hahah...probly the greatest heavy weight of all time.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 09:27 AM
Man an undefeated fighter means nothing in boxing..honestly look at chavez jr..he undefeated...he F'n sucks!!...it all about who u fought.

ct63084 05-04-2010 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 524216)
There's no doubt that Manny has taken the tougher fights..its not even close...btw if u don't know who Joe Louis is then u have no business posting in this thread..hahah...probly the greatest heavy weight of all time.
I consider joe louis to be the best boxer ever no one even comes close, probably sugar ray robinson or duran. Dude was fighting every month. Had his first loss to schmeling and dude had a rematch and whoop schmelling in 2 minutes. If you guys don't know your history schmelling was a german during a nazi era, after he beat louis the nazis claimed that his win solidify their aryan race as the best, then at the rematch nazi's kept on saying no way in hell joe louis is going to win, then at the rematch joe louis whoop this dudes *** in 2 minutes and schmelling was only able to get off like 5 punches or so that right there is legendary.

Edit: I also forgot to mention sugar ray robinson 173 wins- 19 losses. I thought it was a crime that i forgot to mention him.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 01:41 PM
i'd probably take Ali as the greatest over Louis because of his resume...Ali didnt' fight evry month like Joe but he had the tougher fights...

j.arnaldo 05-04-2010 02:19 PM
Now it's Mayweather or Pacquiao?---IF it ever does happen.
And, yes, Ali is my choice for the best heavyweight ever.

ct63084 05-04-2010 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 524509)
i'd probably take Ali as the greatest over Louis because of his resume...Ali didnt' fight evry month like Joe but he had the tougher fights...
yeah you can make a good argument with Ali he was pretty good also. But i gave it to Joe louis because fought every one in his division never ducked anyone he made 25 defenses of his title, was a world champion for like 10 something years knocked out opponents like nobody's business, and on top of that he served in the army during ww2 and fought people for free to raise money for the army. He lost once during his prime it tells you what kind of competition he had back then and avenged it for the nations honor. I personally think he will have a better record if it wasn't for the war. The sad part about his story is that he fought and raise money for the govt during the war, then the end IRS told him the he owes the govt 500,000 i think he should be one of those rare occurance that the irs should have gave a free pass. Then louis continued fighting to pay his debt and eventually at end on the twilight of his career fought marciano and lost. Dude is the ultimate american hero IMHO.

ct63084 05-04-2010 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo (Post 524566)
Now it's Mayweather or Pacquiao?---IF it ever does happen.
And, yes, Ali is my choice for the best heavyweight ever.
You can make a good argument with Ali but i think most people will have him at 1 because of all the media press he had compare to louis, and all of the promotion he had "thrilla in manila","rumble in the jungle" those were some good promotions. But ask any hardcore boxing fan (me), and any experts most of them will have louis as number 1 heavyweight.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ct63084 (Post 524585)
yeah you can make a good argument with Ali he was pretty good also. But i gave it to Joe louis because fought every one in his division never ducked anyone he made 25 defenses of his title, was a world champion for like 10 something years knocked out opponents like nobody's business, and on top of that he served in the army during ww2 and fought people for free to raise money for the army. He lost once during his prime it tells you what kind of competition he had back then and avenged it for the nations honor. I personally think he will have a better record if it wasn't for the war. The sad part about his story is that he fought and raise money for the govt during the war, then the end IRS told him the he owes the govt 500,000 i think he should be one of those rare occurance that the irs should have gave a free pass. Then louis continued fighting to pay his debt and eventually at end on the twilight of his career fought marciano and lost. Dude is the ultimate american hero IMHO.
Yeah i cant really argue against you for puttin Louis at 1...For me its Ali, Robinson, then Louis in that order...Louis had alot of notible fights like schmelling, con, braddock..but Ali had alot of dangerous fights like forman, frazier, liston, norton, spinks..etc...For me, and alot will disagree, Ali is the GOAT.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 03:49 PM
..."ALI boom ba ya!!!"..hahahah!!!

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 03:56 PM
im glad there's another true fight fan on here!!..one fight that never came off that would of tested Floyd for sure woulda been with Kostya Tzyu...MAAAN he ducked kostya....this was before the Hatton fight...he played it safe n stayed feather until all the fightrs lost a step...wata F'n lil bish!!

I hope Manny knocks the ish outta him!!!

ct63084 05-04-2010 07:33 PM
I'm an avid boxing fan, I got started when i watched barrera vs hamed. I use to hate hamed and when barrera schooled him oh man was the best day ever. Then from then on my interest grew and started watching documentary about sugar ray robinson, joe louis, duran etc. For a while it was only barrera and morales that was carrying the lower weight division, if anyone want to see one of the best fight ever watch barrera vs morales. Many people would say gatti vs ward which was awesome but it was a pretty sloppy fight, but the barrera vs morales was good technical back to back boxing. Yeah kostya was the man @ 140 dominated that division for a while lol remember this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX4VysAzRII

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 08:11 PM
I remembr watching that fight live n I couldn't stop laughing for an hour!..hahaha..funny thing is I ran into zab n tyson at dre's in vegas a couple years back n all could think about was that ko!!..lmfao..

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 08:15 PM
Yeah prince naseem was a fkn clown..I was glad to see barerra hand it to him..I've been watching fights pretty avidly since the 80's...hagler..hearns..duran..sugaray n the always entertaining tyson..haha..I miss those days..

ct63084 05-04-2010 08:35 PM
Unfortunately I'm too young to see those fights live. I could watch it on youtube or something but it just doesn't capture the same excitement when the fight is live. I can't imagine how crazy it was watching the hagler vs hearns first round, best round in boxing.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 08:44 PM
I missed that fight live...hitmans jerrycurl juice drippin n flyin evrywhere!!..hahah..bettr fightrs back then imo...now that I think about it I wonder what would happen if floyd squared up with sweet pea in his prime?..that would one technical bout..ahaha

ct63084 05-04-2010 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 525153)
I missed that fight live...hitmans jerrycurl juice drippin n flyin evrywhere!!..hahah..bettr fightrs back then imo...now that I think about it I wonder what would happen if floyd squared up with sweet pea in his prime?..that would one technical bout..ahaha
Lol technical is an understatement. I tell you this though pernell I think is the best defensive fighter i've seen fight, that's including floyd and he would bang if needed. Dude was the man he also fought some legends and got robbed ie chavez fight. I personally think he would whoop on pacman and floyd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVPXllSAJ6g

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 09:30 PM
Yeah I saw that fight..sweepea won that...but that happens all the time n that's why I don't place big bets on fights...the worst was hollyfield/lewis...that chyte pissed me off so bad I stopped watching for a while..

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 09:43 PM
Teddy talks about this all the time and he's right...we need to dump the alphabet soup n get 1 regulated sanctioning body...I like when fightrs unify the belts but its too damn crooked..that's why we lost a lot of fans to mma.

ct63084 05-04-2010 10:00 PM
Don't even get me started on that we should only have one belt per weight division. The main reason we lost people to mma is you can't watch boxing anymore, you have to pay to watch a decent fight ie the super six tournament I havent been watching that because it's on showtime. In MMA flip the channel to spike and they give you some decent main events.

wishihadnav 05-04-2010 10:27 PM
Haha yeah u do get to see a lot of mma for free...we need manny vs floyd!..I actually met manny at a party he threw in downtown lastyear...n about 4/5 yrs ago I met floyd in a club in hollywood trying to pick up on my friend sonia..that fool even gave her his number..haha

ct63084 05-04-2010 10:43 PM
It might seem like i hate floyd I really dont' i use to be a huge fan especially when he fought a close fight against castillo and fought a rematch and dominated him then i don't really know what happened after that. I really don't get him he could easily beat almost everyone in the welterweight division, but he always ducks any challenges that could threaten his record after the castillo fight. For god sakes he picked baldomir over margorito.

wishihadnav 05-05-2010 11:52 AM
im not hatin on Floyd either but he ducks too many fights...he wanted nooo part of margarito...but that's what floyd does..he only takes the fights he knows he can win..that's why he stalling out on Manny..

wishihadnav 05-13-2010 11:20 AM
Arum said Nov 13th??..lets see if it pans out.

PapoZalsa 05-13-2010 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wishihadnav (Post 525813)
im not hatin on Floyd either but he ducks too many fights...he wanted nooo part of margarito...but that's what floyd does..he only takes the fights he knows he can win..that's why he stalling out on Manny..
I thought it was Pacquio due to the drug or blood test...:stirthepot:

wishihadnav 05-14-2010 05:05 PM
manny wants to fight...it fell apart because floyds camp started talking sh-t and making accusations that manny was on steroids...nothing new here..just more head games...Floyd looked damn good against Shayne but he'll lose this fight...he knows it to..haha..

wishihadnav 05-14-2010 05:08 PM
it'll be the first time in his career he'll be coming in as an underdog..vegas will side with Manny...this is very disturbing to floyd...self proclamed best pound fer pound fighter..el guapo..haha!


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