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Saudi Arabia outlines Jeddah F1 track changes for 2022 race
The promoters of the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix have outlined further details on the planned track changes to the Jeddah Formula 1 track ahead of next month's race. Luke Smith By: Luke Smith Feb 28, 2022, 4:24 AM Saudi Arabia outlines Jeddah F1 track changes for 2022 race The Jeddah Corniche Circuit hosted its first race last December, but drew criticism from drivers over its safety due to the number of blind corners on a high-speed street track. Last year's race was interrupted by two red flags and a number of crashes, prompting GPDA director George Russell to tell Motorsport.com that the track was "lacking a lot from a safety perspective and a racing perspective". Saudi Arabia will host its second grand prix in four months on 27 March, serving as the second round of the season. The event's CEO, Martin Whitaker, said last month that tweaks would be made to the track to aid driver visibility. With one month to go until the race, a further update has now been given on which corners will be adjusted to improve sight lines by moving barriers and widening the circuit in places. "It has already been confirmed that some minor tweaks will be made to the circuit to help improve driver sight lines from the cockpit by improving visibility in several of the circuit's corners including Turns 2, 3, 14 and 21 where the barriers will be moved back between 1.5m and 2m," reads a statement from Saudi Motorsport Company, the race promoter. "Likewise, the barrier on the right-hand side of Turn 27 will be moved back by around 1.5m to widen the track at this point. In all cases except Turn 27, the track limit/edge will remain the same. "In addition, further modifications will also be made to Turns 4, 16, 22 and 24 after consultation with the drivers who requested a smoother barrier on the apex so that they can potentially brush it as they pass. "To accommodate this, SMC is installing a steel plate which will effectively wrap around the concrete barriers given them the smooth surface they require to favour the lines the drivers take around the record-breaking course." The blind corners on the circuit caught out several drivers throughout the grand prix weekend last year, particularly in practice and qualifying when they were on a mix of fast and slow laps. The second red flag of the race was caused by a crash involving Russell and Nikita Mazepin exiting Turn 2. Russell took evasive action to avoid a clash between Sergio Perez and Charles Leclerc, which blocked the majority of the circuit, but Mazepin ran into the rear of the Williams through the blind corner. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/s...-race/8571694/ |
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How new F1 gearbox rule reduces Saudi Arabian GP crash grid penalty jeopardy A largely unheralded change to Formula 1’s gearbox regulations has removed some of the jeopardy associated with a heavy pre-race crash around the tight confines of the Jeddah track. Adam Cooper By: Adam Cooper Mar 24, 2022, 12:12 PM Under the 2022 FIA sporting regulations there is no longer a penalty associated with a change of gearbox after the start of running on a Saturday. Street and temporary tracks like Jeddah, Melbourne, Monaco, Baku and Montreal – where it’s all too easy to heavily damage a car – are no longer such a tightrope walk for teams and drivers. Speculation about whether a heavy rear or side impact could trigger a gearbox change and potential a penalty, at least in the early part of the season. This is because until last season drivers had to use a gearbox for six consecutive events, with an event defined as Saturday and Sunday only – on Fridays they could use a practice gearbox that was outside the main allocation. What that meant was that a heavy impact in either FP3 or qualifying often led to a gearbox change for the race and a five-place penalty. The system has changed for this season, and there is now a pool of gearboxes that can be swapped around in much the same way that there is a pool of power unit components. Penalties now only kick in when the limit for the year is exceeded. Henceforth gearboxes are now classified as “restricted number components” or RNCs. In fact they are divided into two elements – firstly the gearbox case and cassette, and secondly the gearbox driveline, gear change components and auxiliary components. A driver is allowed to use four sets of each of those two elements for a 22 or 23 race season (there is a sliding scale based on the number of events), and if a driver takes a fifth element, a five-place grid penalty will result. If a driver changes more than once on single race weekend only the second example can be kept in the pool and used in subsequent race weekends, so there can be no stockpiling if someone is already at the back of the grid. In addition, Friday is now considered as part of the whole event, so practice gearboxes that were not subject to penalties if damaged and changed are gone. However, each team can also play what are in effect four “jokers” meaning they can use a gearbox outside of the allocation on four Fridays during the season in FP1 and FP2. The reason for that is to give teams (or its gearbox customers) a chance to test updates that they would not otherwise be able to run on track. However, it also takes away a little bit of the pressure to get through a whole season of 23 full weekends with just four gearboxes. Indeed on Friday in Bahrain both Sergio Perez and Esteban Ocon did exactly that, with a document from the FIA confirming that “the following drivers have run a gearbox assembly outside of the RNC allocation during P1 and P2 of this Event.” The new pool system also means that drivers no longer get a free gearbox change at the next race if they retire. That means drivers outside the top 10 will no longer be encouraged by their teams to park in the closing laps, because there will be no benefit to so doing. Teams are allowed to undertake maintenance or make repairs in order to extend the life of components, although only if “the nature of the work to be carried out has been approved by the FIA and communicated to all competitors.” In addition the FIA requires that the “competitor takes all the necessary measures to satisfy the FIA that the provisions of this article are fully respected. This may include, but is not limited to, an accurate record of the repair work that gets carried out, photographs, the recording of part numbers, etc.” The damaged car of Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB16B, on a truck The FIA adds that “change gears, dog rings and reverse (excluding final drives or reduction gears) may be changed under supervision for others of identical specification at any time during an event provided the technical delegate is satisfied there is evident physical damage to the parts in question.” What the new system means is that at least in the first part of the season F1 drivers won’t pick up gearbox penalties as a result of accidents. On the other hand if a driver does have reliability issues and gets to the end of that four gearbox limit, then the penalties will start to kick in. And given that, as mentioned there will be no “free” gearboxes handed out after retirements, in the pitlane as a whole more gearboxes are likely to have to do their full mileage allocation, potentially making it more likely that we will see some failures at some stage. And accidents could still play a role. If a driver gets to the last few races with only one usable gearbox, perhaps after failures have seen the other examples binned, crash damage sustained on a Friday, Saturday or even in a race could lead to a penalty if a fifth box has to be used. The bottom line is that as with the power units, the threat of gearbox grid penalties has now been moved to later in the season. In other words as the title battle is potentially hotting up it adds an extra layer of intrigue to those final races. |
Nice a sensible change!
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Red Bull: Fuel system vacuum triggered Bahrain F1 GP exits
Red Bull has established that a vacuum within its fuel system triggered its double retirement for Max in last weekend's Formula 1 Bahrain Grand Prix. |
Hulkenberg to replace Vettel again in Saudi Arabian F1 GP
Nico Hulkenberg will remain at Aston Martin for this weekend's Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, with Sebastian Vettel sidelined for the second Formula 1 race in succession after contracting COVID-19. |
Peace in F1 is restored lol
Hulkenberg and Magnussen move on from "suck my balls" moment Formula 1 drivers Nico Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen have buried their differences five years after their infamous "suck my balls" confrontation at the 2017 Hungarian Grand Prix. |
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Oil depot fire in Jeddah has lead to a closed door meeting between FIA and teams / drivers.
Hmmmm. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...uI24mXUzkCLZf0 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix: Fire breaks out at Jeddah oil depot ahead of F1 race weekend F1 said in a statement: "The position at the moment is that we are waiting for further information from the authorities on what has happened." A fire erupted at an oil depot in Jeddah on Friday ahead of the F1 Grand Prix race scheduled to take place in the Saudi Arabian city, with Yemen's Houthis rebels acknowledging that they had launched a series of attacks on the kingdom. A large black smoke cloud could be seen from the F1 track towards the end of first practice, and Max Verstappen reported on team radio that he could smell "burning" from the cockpit of his Red Bull car Practice continued as normal - as did qualifying for F2 - and there is no suggestion that Sunday's race will not go ahead. An F1 statement said: "The position at the moment is that we are waiting for further information from the authorities on what has happened." Saudi Arabia and the state-run oil giant Saudi Aramco did not immediately acknowledge the blaze, though it appeared to be centered on the same fuel depot that the Houthis attacked in recent days. The cause of the blaze was not immediately known. F1 drivers have not yet spoken to media, although near the end of first practice Verstappen said on team radio: "I smell a bit of a burning feeling. I am not sure if it is my car, or another car." His engineer Gianpiero Lambiase replied: "We are happy it is not your car." Attack is latest in a long-running conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen Analysis by Sky Sports News' Craig Slater "We're still awaiting official confirmation regarding exactly what this blaze is and perhaps more significantly what has caused it. "But clearly, you can see those thick black clouds of smoke somewhere between 10-15km from the circuit itself. "From local media we understand the blaze is at an oil refinery and the al-Masirah satellite news channel run by the Yemenese Houthis group who are in dispute with Saudi Arabia, there has been a long-running conflict within Yemen, in advance of this Grand Prix human rights groups in this country explaining to me that they viewed Saudi Arabia's incursions into Yemen in an attempt to tamper with the politics there akin to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. "This has been a long-running conflict and rocket attacks have been part of it. "Four days ago there was a rocket attack targeting this oil refinery in advance of the Grand Prix itself. "A couple of years ago around the Formula E event held in Saudi Arabia there was another rocket attack and it caused, temporarily, those Formula E teams to have to postpone their return to the UK. "We're still waiting on official confirmation that this blaze has been caused by a rocket attack. "What I would have to say in context to all of this is this happened towards the end of first practice which continued to its conclusion and while the smoke was filling the sky the Formula 2 qualifying also continued. "So does that give us some kind of early indication that those in control of this event don't see there is clear and present danger threatening the circuit? "However you would question what happens next if it is confirmed this is some kind of attack so close to the circuit there in Jeddah." |
Practice continues. $$$
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F1 tells drivers Saudi GP will go ahead despite nearby attack
Formula 1 chiefs have made clear to teams and drivers that the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix will proceed as planned despite an attack on a nearby oil facility. |
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F1 needs to discuss future of Saudi Arabian GP, say teams Formula 1 teams think there needs to be discussions after this weekend about the long-term future of the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix. Jonathan Noble By: Jonathan Noble Mar 26, 2022, 9:25 AM “I think there was a missile attack during the FE race at the beginning of last year, and there were no worries about coming here at the end of last year. So the situation for this weekend hasn't changed at all. “I think the discussion should have been done before. And now will be after, but not during the event. As long as we have the confirmation that security is there, then we are safe.” Haas boss Gunther Steiner said: “It's not the moment to discuss if it is right or wrong to be here at all. I think that is coming in the future, and will be discussed. The FIA and FOM will look into it and then it will be decided what will be done. |
Interview with Otmar was very eye-opening, IMO. “Reasonable people make reasonable decisions when they all have the same information.” Quite the answer to Ehat made the drivers decide to stay and race?
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P3 showed these guys moving quick hitting the 1.29s, so I’m excited to see what times qualifying brings. Bottas was surprisingly quick. We will see how tire management and strategy affect the actual race, but this may be another RB vs Ferrari battle. Sounds so new and refreshing :driving: |
I love the helmet cam. All the glare and whatnot to make it a Michael Bay movie. Add that this circuit is so narrow, it's just so...fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdwKSs0tFIo GJ Checo, but I'm still pulling for the Clercman |
Saudi race in 2023 needs to disappear. I'm all for challenging tracks, fast tracks, etc.... But, the layout of this track is too dangerous IMO, even with some of the barriers pushed back. Saudi Arabia also has basically zero human rights laws, and the attack that happened on the Aramco oil depot 7 miles away is asking for problems, regardless of who launched the attack... Just an unsafe place to be. Anyway.............. Hoping for a Checo win!
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Steiner: Rush job to fix Schumacher’s F1 car risked Australia hopes
Haas boss Gunther Steiner says a rush job to fix Mick Schumacher’s car for Formula 1’s Saudi Arabian Grand Prix risked derailing his team’s prospects for the next race. |
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Singapore is amazing. Go. |
The speeds reached at Monaco do not compare to the Jeddah circuit, and Singapore as adequate runoff. I said it last year, this track is sketch, they can bin this race.
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Damn. Charlie almost had it. Great finish.
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Not a fan of simply running off and keep racing. You leave the circuit you should lose time and remember not to. I have zero issues with Jeddah. They just need to soften the walls.
The flow is amazing and we saw a nice race today. No one should be rewarded ever for leaving the circuit. Grass and kerbs should replace run off areas. There is wayyyyyyyyy too much. |
Sucks how Checo's fortunes turned.
My homeboy LeClerc didn't quite net it. But so far a lot of racing to go. We'll see how long we get to have this close wheel-to-wheel at the front. |
The DRS needs to Go!!!!:tup:
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Formula 1 races would be "very boring" if DRS was taken away, reckons world championship leader Charles Leclerc. Jonathan Noble By: Jonathan Noble Mar 28, 2022, 4:49 AM The fight for victory at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix between the Monegasque driver and Max Verstappen was swung by the effectiveness of DRS. As well as it setting up some cat-and-mouse games between Leclerc and Verstappen at the DRS detection zone before the final corner – as they each tried to trick the other in to being ahead – the overtaking aid proved critical in most of the overtakes in the race. While there had been some hope that the F1 2022 rules overhaul would allow good racing without such reliance on DRS, drivers feel that it still an absolute must. Leclerc, who finished second behind Verstappen at Jeddah, reckoned without it, there would not be much action right now. “I think DRS needs to stay for now, otherwise the races would be very boring,” he said. “As much as following has been better from last year to this year, and it's a very positive step, I still think it's not enough to get rid of the DRS. “It's part of it and I actually quite enjoy it. It's part of the strategy for each driver in terms of defending and overtaking, and it's part of racing for now.” Charles Leclerc, Ferrari F1-75, Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB18, battle for the lead Saudi GP winner Max Verstappen reckoned that DRS provided him with the only means of being able to get past Leclerc for the win. “If I didn't have DRS today I would have never passed,” he said after the race. “I think we are still too sensitive for that. And of course, some tracks are easier to pass than others. But for me at the moment, if DRS wouldn't be there, I would have been second today.” While the switch to ground effect cars was aimed at making the racing better, drivers still feel there are elements of the rules package that hold them back when it comes to battles. Verstappen added: “I think the cars are better to follow, it just depends on the tyre. Like the hard tyre was capable of following closer, the other compounds – and this depends on the track – but they just fall apart. As soon as you follow for a few laps, they just open up. “Also the weight of the car pushes you over the tyre edge. So, this is something we need to look at for the future.” Carlos Sainz Jr reckons, however, that maybe the effectiveness of DRS could be looked at – as the boost from it was quite strong in Saudi Arabia. “Without DRS, it is almost impossible to overtake nowadays,” he said. “What it has improved is the predictability of the car in following and it's given us a much more predictable balance, and the ability to stay closer through the corners. “But without those three or four tenths that DRS gives you in each straight, it would be impossible to pass - also because the slipstream is lower than last year. “We might need to consider making the DRS effect a tiny bit lower though, just so we don't have the delta states that we see nowadays, that some overtakes are maybe a bit too easy.” https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/le...t-drs/9392610/ |
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Again, a rough draft, but seriously why have they not bothered with this? Also, Jeddah is a purposely built track that finished in 2021. Why not use the energy absorbent barriers to start with? They knew exactly what they were doing creating a race that would cause red-flags. It's a trash circuit. |
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Assuming F1 returns to Saudi Arabia in 2023, it will be at a different (purpose built, road course) track that is still under construction in Qiddiya. EDIT: I read one report that Jeddah Corniche may be extended for another year or three based on Qiddiya not being ready - don't know how much weight to put on that. F1 has a 15 year deal with the Kingdom, so I think that all of the posturing of drivers, saying "maybe we shouldn't be racing here" was a bit naive. There are a lot of places that would qualify for that comment! |
watched the race and it was enjoyable.
-- Alpine drivers racing with each other -- Hamilton drive from the back (Thou he partly responsible for the pit mix up) -- KM Haas drive to score points again -- The fight for the lead, enjoyable - but I could do without Max comments of possible violations (come on Max, just drive) -- DRS zones a bit of a joke here, and the games that went on with it... -- Bottas good to see that he has a half way decent car |
Queen Latifi does what he is known for again...
change someone else's race result. Every race, he's in a wreck. Torpedo a barrier....his automatic response on comms "I don't know what happened". He is so bad and has to go. Williams you need to wake up. |
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Idiot Horner wants easier passing for Max LOL. Too bad he had to work so hard. Shut up and race. Funk off - complaints are 99% of his press words.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ho...games/9450256/ Horner: F1 should look into DRS placement after Saudi GP 'cat and mouse games' Red Bull team boss Christian Horner believes Formula 1 should look at the placement DRS detection lines in order to avoid the "cat and mouse games" seen in Jeddah. Realising the power of the DRS on Jeddah's long city streets, Leclerc purposefully started easing off the throttle well before the last corner, forcing Verstappen to overshoot ahead of the DRS detection line. That meant Leclerc would get the DRS advantage on the following main straight, easily enabling him to retake the lead. Verstappen quickly caught on to the Monegasque's tactics and at his next attempt the Dutchman locked up his tyres trying to stay behind Leclerc ahead of the final hairpin, both drivers actively seeking to avoid being in the lead. With four laps to go Verstappen finally passed Leclerc to win the race after what he called "playing smart tricks", with Leclerc admitting he was "half throttle trying for Max to overtake me and for me to have the DRS". "It worked once and then the second time, he understood so he braked very early and then there was a bit of a mess, but I think it was it was fun," he added. While their duel was entertaining to watch and both protagonists saw no issue with it, questions were asked about whether drivers deliberately trying to avoid overtaking each other is the type of racing that F1 should encourage. When asked by Autosport if the DRS games being played were getting silly, Red Bull F1 chief Horner acknowledged that F1 should look into where the DRS detection lines are drawn to avoid "a game of cat and mouse". "The DRS is so powerful you could see that there was a game of cat and mouse going on between the drivers, where they'd actually brake to a point that they actually accelerated into the corner," Horner said. "I think maybe we should look at where that DRS detection zone is for future years. You definitely want to avoid being in that situation." |
Maybe F1 should look into the games played by Red Bull's lead driver behind the safety car, too!
If it weren't for Charles being a decent guy, one touch of the brake pedal would have had Max pass under the double waived yellows and get at least a 5 second penalty. Honestly, Max played the same game with Lewis in Abu Dhabi and I'm still amazed that Lewis didn't brake really hard when the Red Bull was right along side. |
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