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xdeslitx 08-23-2010 07:53 PM

Not getting up to temp with oil cooler?
 
Anyone from SoCal running a 25 core oil cooler have any problems with not getting their cars up to operating temps?

I know it doesn't get that cold here. I am just wondering if I'll be needing an oil cooler with the thermostatic plate.

Thanks.

zero 08-23-2010 08:10 PM

I am running GTM Comp. Oil cooler kit. Normal driving the oil temperature is about 180. I took it to the canyon run this past Sunday, driving in 2nd and 3rd (mostly in 2nd), and the oil temperature was peaked up around 220. Triple's Z can confirm this. I got the same setup as his :tup:.

Trips 08-23-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690365)
I am running GTM Comp. Oil cooler kit. Normal driving the oil temperature is about 180. I took it to the canyon run this past Sunday, driving in 2nd and 3rd (mostly in 2nd), and the oil temperature was peaked up around 220. Triple's Z can confirm this. I got the same setup as his :tup:.

I agree, plus using the thermostatic sandwich plate that comes with the GTM Kit, doesn't allow oil to flow thru the cooler till it gets up normal operating temp ftw!

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690365)
I am running GTM Comp. Oil cooler kit. Normal driving the oil temperature is about 180. I took it to the canyon run this past Sunday, driving in 2nd and 3rd (mostly in 2nd), and the oil temperature was peaked up around 220. Triple's Z can confirm this. I got the same setup as his :tup:.

The GTM has the thermostatic plate though right?
I read on some thread(can't remember which one) that using the oil cooler, the running temperature is too cold without the thermostatic plate during the winter time.

From what I read, the Stillen oil cooler doesn't have the plate. So I was wondering if I would have any problems with running too cold during the winter time without the plate if I go with the Stillen. Although, it doesn't really get cold in LA.

Thanks.

SE 08-23-2010 08:23 PM

You might want to invest in a thermostatic plate to avoid driving on a cold motor- especially since cooler weather is right around the corner.

That's not to say that a thermostatic plate is the cure to your issues but it would definitely help. With most thermostatic plates, the thermo still allows 10% of the oil in the system to flow through the cooler as to avoid thermostatic shock from cold oil being introduced into the engine.

With a thermostatic plate if you're still unable to get up to operating temps, you should invest in a block-off plate.

Trips 08-23-2010 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xdeslitx (Post 690388)
The GTM has the thermostatic plate though right?
I read on some thread(can't remember which one) that using the oil cooler, the running temperature is too cold without the thermostatic plate during the winter time.

From what I read, the Stillen oil cooler doesn't have the plate. So I was wondering if I would have any problems with running too cold during the winter time without the plate if I go with the Stillen. Although, it doesn't really get cold in LA.

Thanks.

Just cover up half the cooler? on those cold mornings

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 08:31 PM

Thanks for all the help guys.
Trips and Zero. Since you both have the GTM with the plate, did you have any problems getting up to operating temps during last winter?
I am trying to get this all sorted out since I want to be able to do the install this Saturday :)
Also, anyone in the LA area running the Stillen 25 row have any problems running too cold or is it doing just fine.
Thanks again.

zero 08-23-2010 08:32 PM

^ G, I am think of raising up the oil cooler core 1" higher from the mounting plate by adding spacers at the mounting points. I want to keep the fittings higher than where they are. What do you think?

Trips 08-23-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690409)
^ G, I am think of raising up the oil cooler core 1" higher from the mounting plate by adding spacers at the mounting points. I want to keep the fittings higher than where they are. What do you think?

If they aren't rubbing on the plastic shield why bother? ;)

zero 08-23-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xdeslitx (Post 690405)
Thanks for all the help guys.
Trips and Zero. Since you both have the GTM with the plate, did you have any problems getting up to operating temps during last winter?
I am trying to get this all sorted out since I want to be able to do the install this Saturday :)
Also, anyone in the LA area running the Stillen 25 row have any problems running too cold or is it doing just fine.
Thanks again.

I'm usually up early morning and it's about 60C around here in the morning. It takes about 10 minutes of driving to get the temperature up. It hardly passes 180 in the morning, cruising on the roads or fwy.

zero 08-23-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 690416)
If they aren't rubbing on the plastic shield why bother? ;)

I know. I guess my front probably is taken first before the plastic shield if I hit the bump.

Trips 08-23-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690432)
I know. I guess my front probably is taken first before the plastic shield if I hit the bump.

You'll be fine, I wouldn't worry about it.

zero 08-23-2010 08:49 PM

xdeslitx, Lou of Amplified is your connection for the oil cooler. He did many installation so he knows what to do.

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690455)
xdeslitx, Lou of Amplified is your connection for the oil cooler. He did many installation so he knows what to do.

I kinda figured. I met him at the BBQ and we were kinda talking about it a little. Thanks.

EDIT: I kinda wanted to do install at Fontana Nissan though just so they'll have proof of it and it will be in their records...just so it won't be a hassle if I need any warranty work done.

zero 08-23-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xdeslitx (Post 690460)
I kinda figured. I met him at the BBQ and we were kinda talking about it a little.

He did 2 installations that day. I would do it when you are dued for the oil change.

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690479)
He did 2 installations that day. I would do it when you are dued for the oil change.

^^ Not sure if you saw the edit
Also, I am finally broken in so it's time for my first oil change. I wanted first oil change to be nissan ester then switch to pennzoil ultra maybe or I can just go mobil.

zero 08-23-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xdeslitx (Post 690490)
^^ Not sure if you saw the edit
Also, I am finally broken in so it's time for my first oil change. I wanted first oil change to be nissan ester then switch to pennzoil ultra maybe or I can just go mobil.

Fontana Nissan is cool :tup:. Wish there are more dealers liked them. I saw Oil Cooler sales posted by them.

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690512)
Fontana Nissan is cool :tup:. Wish there are more dealers liked them. I saw Oil Cooler sales posted by them.

Ya they seem very helpful...they have the stillen 25 row in stock and im scheduled for Saturday
This was my whole reason for the thread because if the stillen is going to run cold during the winter...ill have to ask scott if they can get me the gtm instead with the plates
...might reschedule though since i just remembered that its my birthday on saturday.

zero 08-23-2010 09:15 PM

^ Happy Birthday. I guess the oil cooler is your birthday present :tup:

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 690540)
^ Happy Birthday. I guess the oil cooler is your birthday present :tup:

Thanks but its not just the oil cooler LOL

stainless steel brake lines and Motul brake fluid
Injen CAI
B&M short shifter
and FI CBE (coming in October)
:)

And people thought my bday present to myself would only be the car :happydance:

Josh@STILLEN 08-23-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xdeslitx (Post 690388)
From what I read, the Stillen oil cooler doesn't have the plate. So I was wondering if I would have any problems with running too cold during the winter time without the plate if I go with the Stillen. Although, it doesn't really get cold in LA.

Thanks.


Not sure where you read that, sorry for the confusion, but all STILLEN Oil Coolers come with a thermostatic plate, which will begin opening at 160 degrees and be fully open at 180 degrees, allowing your car to safely come to temperature.

And Fontana Nissan is a great place to have it installed.. those guys are on the ball.

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 690567)
Not sure where you read that, sorry for the confusion, but all STILLEN Oil Coolers come with a thermostatic plate, which will begin opening at 160 degrees and be fully open at 180 degrees, allowing your car to safely come to temperature.

And Fontana Nissan is a great place to have it installed.. those guys are on the ball.

Thanks Josh, I must have been misinformed in one of the threads that I read.

Trips 08-23-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 690567)
Not sure where you read that, sorry for the confusion, but all STILLEN Oil Coolers come with a thermostatic plate, which will begin opening at 160 degrees and be fully open at 180 degrees, allowing your car to safely come to temperature.

And Fontana Nissan is a great place to have it installed.. those guys are on the ball.

Thanks Josh. :tiphat:

zero 08-23-2010 09:34 PM

^ xdeslitx, I am still on nissan ester oil. Triple's is on red line oil. I would stay with the motor oil with ester additive. I might switch to Motul or red line.

import111 08-23-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 690567)
Not sure where you read that, sorry for the confusion, but all STILLEN Oil Coolers come with a thermostatic plate, which will begin opening at 160 degrees and be fully open at 180 degrees, allowing your car to safely come to temperature.

Since when? I was one of the 1st people to get the Stillen "race" oil cooler and mine did not come with a thermo-plate.

To the original poster...last winter I covered most of my oil cooler with a home made cover. Works like a charm. Before my morning temps would not go over 165. With the cover even with ambient temps in the high 30's my oil temp still reached 180.

Josh@STILLEN 08-23-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by import111 (Post 690686)
Since when? I was one of the 1st people to get the Stillen "race" oil cooler and mine did not come with a thermo-plate.

To the original poster...last winter I covered most of my oil cooler with a home made cover. Works like a charm. Before my morning temps would not go over 165. With the cover even with ambient temps in the high 30's my oil temp still reached 180.

The first couple of kits shipped without, I'd be happy to work an exchange with you, PM me if that's a concern.

Most won't need one, but there are certain times of the year, and definitely certain climates can keep things too cool.

My apologies, I was under the impression all customers had been contacted for the exchange.

JakeZ34 08-23-2010 11:30 PM

honestly if your in SoCal....why would cold temperature be a problem...? Honestly that's my two cents, it'll NEVER be that cold to a point where you need to worry about oil temp. /thread now lol.

xdeslitx 08-23-2010 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeZ34 (Post 690822)
honestly if your in SoCal....why would cold temperature be a problem...? Honestly that's my two cents, it'll NEVER be that cold to a point where you need to worry about oil temp. /thread now lol.

Well...it did snow in my city a few years back (sunland/tujunga/la crescenta)...not much snow but cold enough

import111 08-24-2010 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeZ34 (Post 690822)
honestly if your in SoCal....why would cold temperature be a problem...? Honestly that's my two cents, it'll NEVER be that cold to a point where you need to worry about oil temp. /thread now lol.

Anything below 70 degrees and my oil has a very hard time getting up to 180 degrees, without my cover plate over my oil cooler. Being as I am in Tucson, AZ. and have issues, I think pretty much every location would have issues in the winter months.

tannedman 08-24-2010 01:27 AM

Hey XDeslitX, didn't you recently get your car? how many miles did you put on it? I was wondering when should I do my oil change also, I have about 700 miles on mine already.

xdeslitx 08-24-2010 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tannedman (Post 691036)
Hey XDeslitX, didn't you recently get your car? how many miles did you put on it? I was wondering when should I do my oil change also, I have about 700 miles on mine already.

Exactly 2 weeks ago... got about 1200 now
I'm going to get my first change this Saturday...mileage estimate for this Saturday is about 1350-1400

I was speaking with Scott from Fontana Nissan last week since I had about 600 miles on my car. He was saying that 600-1000 miles you're pretty broken in already and he also mentioned doing the oil changed around that range to flush out the metal shavings. I may be misquoting Scott(I tend to do that sometimes. Sorry if I am. I have selective hearing) Everyone has different opinions can't really tell you what to do with yours. Reading through the oil threads(veryyyy long), I still couldn't get a straight answer since everyone has different opinions.

Trips 08-24-2010 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tannedman (Post 691036)
Hey XDeslitX, didn't you recently get your car? how many miles did you put on it? I was wondering when should I do my oil change also, I have about 700 miles on mine already.

I'd wait till 1500 or 2k and put in some fresh oil of your choice?

There is a new Canyon thread in the Socal section, if you want to join in sometime?

tannedman 08-25-2010 12:26 AM

Hey XdeslitX and Trips, Thanks for the info on the oil change, I guess I should wait till 1500-2000 just to be safe aha.

and thanks for the invite on the canyon run, sounds great, but I'm going to be needing an oil cooler for it. I don't have one yet so i'll have to pass this time. =/
I really want to go out to the next central meet in cerritos though, I'll try to come out this time. I hope the mascot shows up again LOL

xdeslitx 08-25-2010 12:28 AM

I've seen posts from people saying that they run fine without an oil cooler.
When did you get your car since you only have 700 miles on it?
LOL I feel like I've been driving A LOT

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Originally Posted by tannedman (Post 693004)
Hey XdeslitX and Trips, Thanks for the info on the oil change, I guess I should wait till 1500-2000 just to be safe aha.

and thanks for the invite on the canyon run, sounds great, but I'm going to be needing an oil cooler for it. I don't have one yet so i'll have to pass this time. =/
I really want to go out to the next central meet in cerritos though, I'll try to come out this time. I hope the mascot shows up again LOL


tannedman 08-25-2010 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xdeslitx (Post 693008)
I've seen posts from people saying that they run fine without an oil cooler.
When did you get your car since you only have 700 miles on it?
LOL I feel like I've been driving A LOT

I've had my car since late June, but i had a daily driver and i recently sold it so now my 370 is the DD. Going to be building up miles quick now aha.

xdeslitx 08-25-2010 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tannedman (Post 693110)
I've had my car since late June, but i had a daily driver and i recently sold it so now my 370 is the DD. Going to be building up miles quick now aha.

Enjoy!

corner3garage 08-31-2010 01:46 PM

Having a thermostatic plate is always a good idea, but if you don't have one and live in socal it should be fine too.

Prashiy 03-15-2012 10:05 PM

Mine is running around 160-170F on highway speeds since the Nissan cooler installation last week. I went with the Nissan cooler because the car is relatively new and I wanted to make sure there is no liability of another aftermarket one. I was wondering if the 165F may be too cold but the dealer technician says it is totally fine. In stop and go SoCal traffic or slightly spirited driving, the temp gets up to 190-205F. Perhaps it might perfect for the SoCal summer time. Before the installation even a simple stop and go traffic or 10 min of gentle uphill climb would bring it upto 245-250.

xdeslitx 03-15-2012 10:07 PM

whats with people and bumping REALLY old socal threads lately?
:facepalm:


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