Jordo-- Cobb will have the ecu picked apart before we ever see on of these in person.

I feel you on the warranty, just saying, I bet we see a lot of these going very fast.

I may have missed it, but is this thing suposed to run on regular unleaded? Seeing as the engine is 12.5:1 compressions ratio, I expect premium gas to be the bare minimum you can run without sacrificing power and mpg.

Not disagreeing with anything you said, just pointing out the SR20DE is a 9.5:1 compression which is an important factor to remember as well.

Crap. I just noticed there is a big hump and cup holders between the rear seats preventing me from opening just one door to let 2 kids in. I would have to open both doors. Same issue on the RX8, no issue on my G35C. Will need to pass in this case.


Guess they weren't thinking kids on this car. If you have kids one would know wat I mean.

It could be possible for them to have 2 maps programmed, one for premium and one for regular. If Ford could do it on my 93 Lightning, I don't see why manufacturers can't do it now.

Another thing to consider about efficiency is the cars 20 years ago were generally lighter as well.

+1 The current Mustang runs on 87 thru 91 octange and adjusts itself. I think it costs about 10 to 12 hp to go down to 87.

You are correct. It's rated to "about" 400hp on 87 and 412hp on premium.

That is true. The SR only had move like 2300 to 2400 lbs or weight in that old sentra. I wish I could find some information regarding the mpg of the late model 180sx with the 250hp sr20 since it weighed 2700 lbs. That would be a pretty good comparison.

I would just be concerned about engine knock with running regular fuel on a compression ratio that high, but maybe the newer technology engines allow it?

This is what I was trying to alude at I guess. If that engine requires premium to make the 200 hp, then the regular is going to be less. :(

Nope, my dad owns an old Sentra and it's deceivingly quick, but it's definitely 2600lb last time I remembered looking at the car sticker.

Well, I hope you are right. That will make a world of difference.


For others who asked about the fueling: It's tuned for PREMIUM.

So, another gripe of mine (fair or not), is that I'm a bit irritated that with DI, 12.5:1 CR AND fvcking 91 AKI they couldn't do better than 200 ps/195 hp.

I feel like Toyota said, "Oooh let's make a NEARLY perfect car... then stop juuuust short. Let's also use a platform that seems highly tunable, but really, given the newness of the technology involved, it won't be. Ha!"

Again, offering a higher priced turbo variant with more power (even if not at a level to compete with Z's or Mustangs et al) should have been fairly easy... but they didn't.

And those of you hoping for a turboed Sti variant -- don't. The Sti may have a bit more power (via a slightly tweaked tune), perhaps a moderately better suspension set-up, and a nicer interior, but there has been ZERO indication it will have a substantially different set up as compared to the regular Subaru and Toyota car.

Well with all the engine specs you stated, it could be possible they just have it detuned a fair bit. This way when they make the "hot" version the have plenty of space to work with and aren't having to change any components.

[QUOTE=Rui Z;1392725]With those 3 things you would have wished for a little more than 200 horses. But, it is still 100 hp/liter. That's better than most cars (370Z = 90 hp/liter, 95 for Nismo).

[QUOTE=Rui Z;1392728]It's not that impressive for a small, high reving engine -- they've been doing that with 4 bangers for years!

Moreover, some older honda engines already far exceed that, so, again nothing to wake the neighbors over.

But as disappointed as I am in the power figures, the torque nnumber is even more depressing: 151 lbft.

All the insiders were claiming around 170 before the ofical specs were released -- that's a big let down. Another 20 lbft would have made a world of difference on this car.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm sure it will be a fantastic car to drive, but it really needs some sort of big power boost option, and given that it's a DI motor, what can be done by the aftermarket remains a big unknown...

The 370Z makes 73 lb-ft/liter of torque. The forums beloved Mustang makes 78 lbft/liter. The FR-S makes 76 lbft/liter which is about the same as an S2000. I know these numbers look like a disappoinment to alot of people, but it's inline with top performance vehicles (<$50,000 normally aspirated cars) when considering the size of the engine. They just need a turbo version for the power hungry, but the engine looks like a good engine spec-wise.

Ehhhh... but the bottom line is that it's going to moderately outhandle and out brake a 10 year old FF Celica GT-S, and match it almost exactly in straightline acceleration, and that is hugely fvcking depressing :icon14:

HP/L is an engineers spec, but as a driver, I'm not too impressed. I care more about the lbs/hp, and that spec is not terribly impressive.

Hear, hear!

Called a Toyota dealership in Nashville asking for delivery dates for a test drive. Their new car manager knew nothing about the vehicle, said it has never come up in his future-planning meetings through 2013, and told me to try calling the separate Scion dealership. So I talked to that new-car manager, who said they don't have anything for dates but expect to get them in spring. He'll call me back with any info they get and try to get me the first test drive.

I didn't let on that I have no intention of actually buying one :driving:

unless of course they made it super light or super cheap. I'm not seeing the value as it sits, may reconsider once I drive one though.

If this car had even 220 to 240 hp, I think it would be world's better. That said, I've owned two miata's in the past and if car delivers the driving "pleasure" and engagement of those cars, it will still be a hoot to toss around on some back roads.

Well Jordos comments were more about engineers spec (high compression ratio, 91 octane, direct injection), so i was responding to that when I listed those hp/l numbers.

I realize this is gonna be a slow car compared to the Z. i dont believe Toyota/Subaru were ever trying to build a fast car. They wanted something more like a miata than a Z.

^yeah, but as it sits, it will get left by an s2k

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I am sure there will be some sort of performance version from Subaru at some point. It would probably be a hit.

Either way, RWD FT-86 beats the crap out of FWD Celica any day of the week, IMO. Even if the car isn't fast at all it should still be high up in the fun factor given its low CG and light weight.

If it handles like a miata, it will be a blast on the backroads. It may not have the power that some wish, but I think you are right. They probably want this to compete with the miata, which given the details, it should be pretty evenly matched. We will just have to wait and see what happens when the test drives start coming in.

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It's just a tough market, especially with the s2k still recent enough that you can snag a clean example

True.

But it will probably be popular amongst kids. I have a feeling they will be expensive to insure. RWD + high school = risk.

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:shakes head: fuckin kids

MSRP on an S2000 was 34K to 37K. It had better be able to handle this car! :D

They haven't sold at Msrp since '99 though.

they still sold for 30k +

any new news on the FRS? :)

Haha, who needs kids right?

I'm going to the LA Auto show in a week where they will debut the Subaru BRZ production model. Will try to snap alot pics.

hahaha, yah, that seems to be the mentality on some cars. :rofl2:

but considering the center cupholder is 'removeable' i'll have to see it. as long as both kids can get in/out from one open door i have no issue. it's a big deal when parking curbside at school in winter or at a busy parking lot, rainy day, etc.

looking forward to your BRZ snaps. :tup:

i suppose if this car fails my application i will look at maybe the new CUV from mazda called CX-5. it's supposedly offered in 6MT, AWD...and unlike their other uglylooking POS's it's a decent looking car.

i can then enjoy shopping at the hardware store on the weekends by myself. :icon17: im not too big on the juke.

It may be a bit light on power, but that new CX-5 looks hot. :yum:

And that's relevant because.......they still sell for that?

yah, it's plenty fast for a CUV, i think. about 8sec to 60mph so enough pickup and go for dd purpose. i really like the fact they are considering a 6MT version and $20k price tag.. should be a nice package.

just that it was still more expensive than the BRZ...

and you can get them pretty cheap up here... which makes me wanna sell the auto 300zx even more... :bowrofl: and pick one up..


I already have one TT... might as well get a sexy *** convert

repped man!

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