$58,250 for fake leather and no real LSD?+electronic steering gripe
 

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BMW has in post Vietnam times been an overpriced import for elitist snobs. The 2002 & 3 series though, was a do it all, fun and entertaining performance coupé with a touch of class and luxury. This was very true from the early 70's to the 90's. Since then the bimmer in the middle 90's was kind of overpriced but had one of the most rigid and balanced chassis.
Today, the Z and mustang set the example for rigidity in the non speciality car segment in under $50k vehicles.

Reviews say the new bmw does everything right but there is absolutely no feedback from the steering wheel. And the 2-series is worse than the 4. The 2 series practically priced equal to a 4. Lol. What are imports doing 'll lately??

What I don't understand is how car manufacturers are using this full electronic steering in sports cars. No feedback alone makes bimmer worth 10k less in MSRP.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK SOLELY ON BMW.

Infiniti is following the same path. At minimum infiniti non-hybrid sport models get hydraulic units. But Ford,Porsche etc are succumbing to electronic steering.

Electronic steering is cheapening the drive experience, hence cheapening the cars worth in the sport coupe segment imho... I think if this bimmer were to have hydraulic steering? It would hands down be the best $40k+ vehicle on the market.

Reviews claim the corvette has good feedback in spite of elecsteer. Anyone can confirm? Also what do you guys feel about elecsteer? I hated it in the 5.0. It felt like intensely artificial.

NOTATION: On the part of electronic steering, please only comment if you know the difference between electronic steering and electronic assist-hydraulic steering. Thank you. :-)

Moved to "Other vehicles".

Can't you get a m235i now for low 40s? Still overpriced and rather have the Z though anyway

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BMW 435i is over 50,000 Euro's in Germany.

Add one necessary option and it's $48,000 3 options it's $55,000.

Oops thought I was there. My bad. Still suffering from chemo-brain. :-(

Keep fighting.

The only electric power steering vehicles I've driven are mainstream cars and they work just fine for it's intended use. I've always been curious how they feel on a sports car though.

The Infiniti system goes one further than EPS. It's essentially a DBW type system. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

op- wat?

BMW has it's following. They may pay a bit more than relevant. I wouldn't do it personally, unless it's an M3.

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Thank You.

It's been moved to the right section.
Sorry to hear that :(

I hope you have a speedy recovery :tiphat:

I'd buy a slightly used M3 or M5 for that price! :icon14:

Yeah that's ridiculous but most cars seem to be overpriced. I do like the 228 and 235 and can be had for reasonable price if keep options in check.

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The thing I hate about Germans is it's like an a la carte restaurant. You can get everything you want, but they'll nickel and dime you for every item.

I dont trust BMW and Audi. All I ever here about is problems, (mostly electronics) even while under warranty. Less electronics = less problems. A guy around me took his A8 to a car wash, and the electronic parking brake malfunctioned from the undercarriage spray...now his brake is locked on.

it is. i priced out a A4 once and started out fine, ended up with a wtf price.

i hate choosing ala carte. i think they should do it like acura (or at least how they use to do it). 3 different packages. no other option.

base, mid-grade, fully loaded. i want to go to a dealer and order "i'll have a #1".. with a diet pepsi.

:iagree: They're great looking cars for sure, but their interiors never really leave me as excited as the exterior.

My brother in-law is big into BMW and Audi. Last year he got a 2012 A4 with the S-line package. Pretty sharp looking car but I believe he's having oil consumption issues. Only 30k on the stock 2.0T

I have absolutely no complaints with the electric steering in my 911. It's all I could ask for and more. Maybe I'm not good enough of a driver to notice that the 997 had better steering feel (I can feel the difference, just can't decide if it's better or worse - IMO).

hey do you need help with anything? you're in the DFW area right?