Truecar shows BRZs selling in the $27k range. Either that's way off, or people are getting raped on dealer markup.

Good morning guys , your favorite troll is in the place. Seriously though Toyota and Honda has been boring I'm not gonna lie that why i got into the z but lets not deny the difference in quality and resale value. My Nissan frontier wasn't even close to as quality as my boys tacoma. The tranny jerked around, the paint peeled off the roof, the seats rattled., full size truck gas mileage.

Nissan is the best bang for your buck, but lets not even get carried away that they are even a factor to superior companies.

I've owned 6 nissans and havent had any issues. I've owned over a dozen cars total and have had issues with some. It sounds like you dont take care of your cars if you are even telling the truth???

Toyota isn't anything to write home about. I'd buy 10 nissans before i'd buy one toyota. Honda has a marginally more upscale interior than nissan. Nissan has marginally more peformance than Honda... Everything else is about the same.

Superior cars??? Pay $15,000 to $25,000 more and you begin to enter the realm of superior cars... But from what perspective are you saying superior???
There's so many attributes that make cars good, excellent, outstanding... You're so blatantly general in everything you say and so unintelligent. STFU and read something, get some real seat time in some real cars.


Come back and contribute. If not??? :gtfo2:

I paid 37k with ttl and such for my Z. i have 11k left to pay. My Z is worth $31k in texas before TTL. I'm 20k in equity on a car i owe $11,000 on. Resale value??? I'm good. Nissan resale is exteemely high in texas. Nissan is off in resale from honda by like $350. Wow BIG sHYT.

AGAIN you know nothing.

Toyota's are great. How many Forum members would like to see jungle in an un-recalled 2009 prius?


Got my vote... :tup:

Yeah thats cuz broke people are buying BRZ's and cant afford to load them up. They are getting them with no options or auto transmissions.

I would love to take a survery/ poll on your average consumer. Would you buy 10 Hondas,10 toyotas or 10 nissans in your lifetime. What would the results be?

The average consumer knows nothing. Ergo, the poll results would tell you nothing.

The auto costs $1100 more. I just built one on the Subaru website. There really aren't that many options. Added all of the options to the highest trim level. Still <$30k. I'm guessing there are a lot of dealers raping people on markup. It's really academic though, because the most expensive of them should cost no more than $25k.

I liked the last Supra. Thought it looked good. :o

But these are just ideas - need to see the final product before I can cast judgement (and boy do I like to judge!).

I'll bite on this one. I come from Toyota past 3 cars were Toyota with the last one being a Tacoma. Given for what it is the best selling truck in its segment. I scratch my head as to why you went Frontier. But with that said the Tacoma is far from being anything special. The gas mileage is subpar F-150s and Silverados are whipping its arse in that department. It is a bit long in the tooth. No significant changes since 2005. Just aesthetic changes over the years even under current year. Given the Tacomas drivetrain is solid that is why its the leader of the segment. The other stuff I feel you either have bad luck or just whiny.

Back to topic on hand I am glad to see the new Supra but with the rumors of cost I do not feel as glad to see it as I wish it was going to be in the same price range as the last Supra. They are going to turn the Supra into their halo car to go after the GT-R.

What bad things I wonder you have to say about the GT-R but thats a debate for another day. :rolleyes:

Americans excel in pick up truck tech. He doesnt know anything about shyt.

I would never bad mouth the gtr. It's an amazing value but you've seen the videos those babies have their own assembly.

And I'm not even saying Nissan is terrible, there are worse but in the last 12-15 years who's had more issues Honda Toyota or Nissan. I bet you it's Nissan.. I don't even need to search . Just the recalls, tranny issues is enough to know.

Wrong!!!!!!!!

I gave you a list of sites in another thread douchebag to show you that Toyota holds the record for more recalls, then BMW. Honda had transmission recalls. Nissan transmission CVT, had issues from 2003 to 2007. Issues have mostly been resolved plus nissan extended the tranny warranty to 10/120,000 on the CVT. So at least you have a decade of coverage.
Honda still has tranny issues and no extended coverage

Again, you prove yourself a disgustingly uninformed who speaks without knowing shyt. speak what you know. Which is nothing.

Try harder Nissan, I'm shocked even on this list
Toyota overtakes BMW to regain most valuable brand title - Yahoo! Autos

Toyota #1, and Lexus (aka Toyota) #10, Toyota's doing really well :)

Don't needa try harder lackey. You claim Toyota has higher reliability. I say it's no more reliable than most other current Asian and American car companies and has record breaking recalls. BMW doesn't fall far behind in recalls either..
I don't need to try cuz i proved my point and you're the only one trying.
Toyota sells because of media hype due to high american economic investment in Toyota corporation. BMW sells due to hype based on superficial status symbols. These cars move based on uneducated droned minds like yours succumbing to bias advertising and not performing your own real research... "Most people will buy a toyota based on any dumb shmuck mumbling "Toyota's are great cars" and nothing more. It's culturally engrained. While these cars in many cases aren't bad choices... They are NOT ALWAYS the best choice and don't possess anything in terms of reliability over the competition. It's all hype. An educated consumer would know this... Of course, that's NOT you.

So Toyota's monetary status means nothing when speaking in terms of what is a better car. German cars are highly unreliable and hold the next couple spots after toyota... I still don't see your point.

A flunky's bailout. Get over yourself troll.